The problem for left wing politics in Australia

[Crankyhawk]

My belief is XXX so thus it is.

Tripe. 60%+ voted to allow SSM so I doubt a base of 40% of Aussies abandoned the labor party.

Shallow hot takes. Next we'll want Clarkson gone after one bad year.

Have you seen our board after losing a game?

 

[Darkyprotector]

It will, because we won't have Labor in office like last time spending eleventy bajillion dollars trying to increase our economic growth by 0.1 or 0.2% during those quarters.

And you have just demonstrated how ill informed you are
What a snow job you've been sold
You aware Australia was the ONLY country to experience growth during the Cfc

You aware we were rated number 1 under the last labor term

Now 22 or 23
You aware that the whole world acknowledged labor treatment of gfc as being outstanding
You want a list of names
Trump
Easlake
Richardson
IMF chairperson

Goes to show how easily led and stupid you are
Do some research you might change your mind

Shows that in fact the coalition are a cluster f..k when it comes to the economy
It's only been out for months
( another snow job)

Reference. Alan Austin independent Australia

 

[DidakDelight]

And you have just demonstrated how ill informed you are
What a snow job you've been sold
You aware Australia was the ONLY country to experience growth during the Cfc

You aware we were rated number 1 under the last labor term

Now 22 or 23
You aware that the whole world acknowledged labor treatment of gfc as being outstanding
You want a list of names
Trump
Easlake
Richardson
IMF chairperson

Goes to show how easily led and stupid you are
Do some research you might change your mind

Shows that in fact the coalition are a cluster f..k when it comes to the economy
It's only been out for months
( another snow job)

Reference. Alan Austin independent Australia

I don’t follow.

So the fact that Trump, Easlake and Richardson commend Labor for their good job avoiding a recession a decade ago shows that the coalition is a Custer f..k when it comes to the economy now?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Pfft nonsense.

I watched ABC's news at noon today. No interview with any leading figure in Queensland, for example, but we were presented with Ros Childs interviewing a "First Nations Congress" representative about the Coalition's win.

That's far-left identity politics to me.

While this “First Nation Congress” is a batshit insane left wingnut idea it seems to be something the coalition are willing to pay lip service too.
I hope that all the talk about “need to get community support “ means recurring delays and no referendum ever held.

 

[CM86]

I don’t follow.

So the fact that Trump, Easlake and Richardson commend Labor for their good job avoiding a recession a decade ago shows that the coalition is a Custer f..k when it comes to the economy now?

The bloded is a pretty big deal...

On top of that, actual research into Australia has shown that the ALP has been better for the Australian economy, than the Coalition.

Even if the NBN destroying Murdoch media has told you otherwise...

 

[Crankyhawk]

free vasectomies for all

Well, that’s not going to happen!

Not a bad idea though

 

[Crankyhawk]

Labor was ahead in the polls, and the sentiment was they would win comfortably.

They screwed the pooch.

Polls are crap though and should be ended.

 

[HairyO]

Polls are crap though and should be ended.

Polls will be the key driver of media comment for the next 3 years.

They dont care. Its easy commentary. And they can write the same stories over and over.

Why bother actually working ?

 

[romeohwho]

Self interest and the expectation that others will look after and be responsible for their own interest is a key part of conservative right wing. So I’d say more self interest than dopey

Yep, agreed.

 

[kranky al]

Your lack of perception on these matters is noted.

Laburrs dett

Reported on constantly - news.com.au never shut up about it.

And liberals more than doubling it?

Not a peep.

 

[iluvparis]

ALP need to just go all in on Queensland and (to a lesser extent) Western Sydney backing that the Vics will vote for them anyway

 

[Bomberboyokay]

For those who purport to own the moral high ground, any opposing viewpoint is heresy and an existential threat to their individual role as a Caring, Understanding, Nurturing Type.

These folk, unable to debate issues objectively, quickly default to ignorant abuse. But have enormous glass jaws themselves.

Go figure...

This poster threatened me with "defamation" about 30 minutes ago.

 

[Pessimistic]

From The Australian:

Religious communities across western Sydney have punished Labor, with the growing concerns around religious freedoms swinging votes towards the Liberal Party in the traditional ALP heartland.​

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While the statewide swing towards the Coalition in NSW was less than half a per cent, key seats in western Sydney recorded swings above 5 per cent towards the government, overlapping with areas of high religious observance, migrant population, and majority ‘‘no’’ votes during the same-sex marriage survey.​

The notable feature of the SSM results was the strong opposition to it in Western Sydney, one of the Labor's historically strongest set of electorates. Western Sydney features a higher than average group of social conservatives, mostly made up of immigrant groups from the conservative Catholic and Muslim world.

In Banks, held by Liberal David Coleman by 1.4 per cent going into Saturday’s election, the Immigration Minister retained the seat with a 5.3 per cent swing.​

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Banks, with large Chinese, Nepalese and Vietnamese populations, where 24 per cent of residents say they are Catholic, voted 55.1 per cent ‘‘no’’ in the same-sex marriage survey.​

​

Banks was a Labor electorate for 64 years until 2013, and Coleman now holds his biggest margin. It had a slim margin of below 2% prior to this election - it should have been a Labor gain. Did franking credits / negative gearing create a swing to the Coalition? Or was it something else?

From news.com.au

One of the daftest and most self-indulgent features of the campaign was the Adani convoy of Greens leaders who drove to central Queensland full of moral superiority. All they did was further convince locals the anti-mine movement was part of a Labor/Greens plot against them.​

While Labor had little to do with this convoy of campaigners, they are tainted by past associations with the Greens, and the understanding that they may have to govern with them in future parliaments. The people of Queensland obviously saw a Labor government undermining their economic future, in league with the Greens.

Labor are in a bit of a bind. If they make overtures to the socially conservative outer suburban working class, they risk leaking votes and inner city seats to the Greens. If they try to retain socially progressive voters and appeal to them on environment and social justice issues, they lose the large bloc of socially conservative but economically socialist people in Australia.

The obvious path to government is eschewing the Greens vote, letting preferences flow to the ALP regardless, and wearing the loss of inner city seats. But this path most likely requires forming a governing coalition with the Greens, thereby tainting them in the eyes of the aforementioned bloc of voters.

IMO the Labor party need to kill the Greens like they did the DLP. I don't know how they do this, but it is the only sustainable path to forming and holding government.

The Coalition has the same problem. But where labor finds it harder is the media punishes so called duplicity, whereas the coalition is held to much lower standards.

 

[eastfreo75]

If shorten had got his hands dirty and reminded people daily about the actual failures of Abbott Turnbull Morrison in the same way Abbott did with Rudd Gillard Rudd it might have been different.

Sure there was demonising with the monochrome pictures but not retail enough


Also before th epreference deal Palmer was trashing both Libs and labor, after the deal it was labor and greeens

like any team, you need a defense and attack.

labor failed to attack and were open to attacks regarding tax.

 

[eastfreo75]

The Australian electorate is amazingly stupid and believed complete lies like the introduction of a "death tax".

When you combine a media that helps sell a lie, 60m in advertising and a government willing to lie, then it can be hard for counter messaging to be effective.

Labor open themselves with their tax plan.

Death was a lie but the narrative was Labor wants to bring in more taxs.

 

[eastfreo75]

The 4 millionaires I know all complained long and hard for months before the election about losing the franking concession. Laughable.
It’s not an issue that is going away and is completely unsustainable for the country financially- its increasing expedentially, so needs to be addressed. Do you notice pretty well no other country has it setup like ours -did you wonder why? Perhaps in 10 years, when they are paying out more to the small percentage of very comfortable people on the franking returns than they are for the entire aged pension in Australia, someone might be moved to tackle this rort. Comon the scomo- over to you!

Labor stuffed it up.

Should have brought it in while in government.

 

[kranky al]

So how do you think the ALP forms government?

Say nothing but three word slogans

Release no policy

Then just do it once elected

 

[Les Malone]

I am self employed and concerned about jobs for my kids.

Wouldn't vote Labor in a pink fit although i am from a working class traditionally Labor voting family, DLP actually.

Labor has betrayed its heartlands.

It stands for progressive inner city elites who basically think its cool to now live in old working class areas because of the vibe.

They make me sick.

 

[Seeds]

Labor open themselves with their tax plan.

Death was a lie but the narrative was Labor wants to bring in more taxs.

I would of switched and gone with labour if they had death taxes. Labour just have no idea how to sell it.

 

[Seeds]

I am self employed and concerned about jobs for my kids.

Wouldn't vote Labor in a pink fit although i am from a working class traditionally Labor voting family, DLP actually.

Labor has betrayed its heartlands.

It stands for progressive inner city elites who basically think its cool to now live in old working class areas because of the vibe.

They make me sick.

What exactly about jobs for your kids that concerns you?

 

[Les Malone]

What exactly about jobs for your kids that concerns you?

Do you have kids ?.

 

[Seeds]

Do you have kids ?.

Yes 2

 

[NSWCROW]

I am self employed and concerned about jobs for my kids.

Wouldn't vote Labor in a pink fit although i am from a working class traditionally Labor voting family, DLP actually.

Labor has betrayed its heartlands.

It stands for progressive inner city elites who basically think its cool to now live in old working class areas because of the vibe.

They make me sick.

* !!!

Never would've picked that

 

[Les Malone]

Yes 2

Thanks for an honest answer, then i guess you may have concerns about their employment at some stage.

Not that i want to know the specifics.

 

[Seeds]

Thanks for an honest answer, then i guess you may have concerns about their employment at some stage.

Not that i want to know the specifics.

Nope not really. Im concerned about their education, australian living standards, health, happiness and whether they will afford a home. Whether there will be enough jobs for them? Not so much. Economic downturns dont last long and people can always start their own job if they cant find one. Plus we have a rising age dependency problem which means there is going to be so much demand for services that demand for labour will be stronger then ever. Will we turn them into worker slaves by taxing their work at much higher rates then in the past? Thats a question that scares me as I have no doubt boomers will demand higher wage taxes once retired. And what boomers want boomers get.