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It's a bit of white elephant for you, the whole 0 European trophies.
If i recall there was the old cup winners cup in 94 but that doesn't exist anymore. I only remember cause i had a friend who would go on and on about it

But its beside the point, maybe they can get past the round of 16 for once
 

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If i recall there was the old cup winners cup in 94 but that doesn't exist anymore. I only remember cause i had a friend who would go on and on about it

But its beside the point, maybe they can get past the round of 16 for once
Talking more a European Cup, a UEFA Cup or a Super Cup. The real European trophies.

Oh and Arsenal fans, this wasnt a sly dig at you guys. But just a real possibility to win a European trophy. If your lot does end up in the EL I hope you would take is seriously, it's a great competition and would be a huge trophy for you guys to win.
 

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Talking more a European Cup, a UEFA Cup or a Super Cup. The real European trophies.

Oh and Arsenal fans, this wasnt a sly dig at you guys. But just a real possibility to win a European trophy. If your lot does end up in the EL I hope you would take is seriously, it's a great competition and would be a huge trophy for you guys to win.
Some Arsenal fans have a huge superiority complex about the Europa League. They believe we're 'above' it and want to miss it altogether. Massive sense of entitlement.

The reality is Europa is Arsenal's standard at the moment, and is a genuine European trophy. There's an air of arrogance around some fans who don't want to admit this.

I'd hope we'd go al out to try and win it. Football to me is about winning, not finishing 4th and then getting torched in the round of 16.
 

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Some Arsenal fans have a huge superiority complex about the Europa League. They believe we're 'above' it and want to miss it altogether. Massive sense of entitlement.

The reality is Europa is Arsenal's standard at the moment, and is a genuine European trophy. There's an air of arrogance around some fans who don't want to admit this.

I'd hope we'd go al out to try and win it. Football to me is about winning, not finishing 4th and then getting torched in the round of 16.
Is that because a lot of them have only been fans since the invincibles era?
 

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Is that because a lot of them have only been fans since the invincibles era?
That would probably account for a lot of them I'd say, but not all. There's also an element of those that have enjoyed the 20 or so years of consecutive champions league football, and those who have bought into the '4th place is a trophy' conditioning.

There's smugness of some who believe Europa/Thursday night football is just for Spurs etc, but the times have changed now.

So there's a variety of reasons for it. But the reality is, Europa is Arsenal's level and presents a realistic chance for a trophy. Much more than the league title, that's for sure.
 

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gives the chance for the club to do a proper going through of the team, instead of just doing the bare minimum to scrape by.

didnt hurt chelsea at all.
 

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Some Arsenal fans have a huge superiority complex about the Europa League. They believe we're 'above' it and want to miss it altogether. Massive sense of entitlement.

The reality is Europa is Arsenal's standard at the moment, and is a genuine European trophy. There's an air of arrogance around some fans who don't want to admit this.

I'd hope we'd go al out to try and win it. Football to me is about winning, not finishing 4th and then getting torched in the round of 16.
I'm totally with you on this. Football is about winning. Whether you qualify for CL or EL, it's still a big European trophy and it's certainly easier to win the Europa League than it is the CL. You're still a chance to finish top four but if you miss out, I hope your fans really embrace. Enjoy a deep European ride and maybe win a big trophy.

I was gutted when we lost to Sevilla last year in the final. Would have loved to have won it.
 

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I'm totally with you on this. Football is about winning. Whether you qualify for CL or EL, it's still a big European trophy and it's certainly easier to win the Europa League than it is the CL. You're still a chance to finish top four but if you miss out, I hope your fans really embrace. Enjoy a deep European ride and maybe win a big trophy.

I was gutted when we lost to Sevilla last year in the final. Would have loved to have won it.
Agreed, although UCL qualification helps the appeal too.
 

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Agreed, although UCL qualification helps the appeal too.
Oh absolutely no doubt. You want to be in the CL, but if we dont qualify, I dont treat the EL with contempt. I want to go out and win it. Compete, try to win a European trophy. Winning trophies is what it's all about!
 

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It is a shame that winning the competition is often seen as secondary to qualifying for another competition. If we end up in the Europa at some point in the future I hope we'll put everything into it.

I've really enjoyed our UEFA Cup/Europa experiences. Playing the likes of Lokeren, Lech Poznan etc. Many blues count the quarter final against Hamburg as the best atmosphere in the stadium after the 11\12 final game.
 

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One that your "reserves" couldn't win.
The quality of teams we played on the road to the final last season was very good for Europa League. United, Dortmund, Villarreal & Sevilla is 4 very tough opponents to play.
 

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Problem with the EL is it's such a debilitating competition to be in that it affects your domestic form. The Thursday kick offs are a drain as are those far flung trips to the likes of Azerbaijan, trips you just don't get in the CL
 

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Problem with the EL is it's such a debilitating competition to be in that it affects your domestic form. The Thursday kick offs are a drain as are those far flung trips to the likes of Azerbaijan, trips you just don't get in the CL
Those trips are in the group stage and EPL clubs generally get away with fielding weakened teams most of the time. Not an issue at all with a big squad.
 

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Problem with the EL is it's such a debilitating competition to be in that it affects your domestic form. The Thursday kick offs are a drain as are those far flung trips to the likes of Azerbaijan, trips you just don't get in the CL
There is absolutely no different playing Wed/Sat to Thur/Sun. None whatsoever. As for traveling, Azerbaijan is an extreme example. Often you will just be playing smaller clubs in closer, easier to get to countries like Belgium, Denmark, Poland etc which is no different than traveling to Spain, Germany, Italy for CL encounters.
 

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We coped with it well when we won it. You definitely gotta have squad depth, though.

We beat Benfica, Basel, Rubin Kazan, Bucharest and Sparta Prague on our way to winning it. I remember all our matches. It was a great comp.

Arsenal would be stupid to not take it seriously.
 

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If they take it seriously they will struggle to finish top four considering the competition now. You have to play two extra knock out games as well which is being overlooked. Perhaps fans would prefer a tilt at the competition rather than trying to finish fourth though. But I think it always hindered our top four chances in those years we kept finishing fifth.
 
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