Norm Smith Medallist
- Aug 13, 2020
- AFL Club
- North Melbourne
Tas, can’t agree that the big polluters are doing nothing. You talking China and India here? Or Alcoa / mining?
Having been on both sides of this, as a serious polluter (coal/gas physical trading) and later as a Right-wing Greeny where I went and sold solutions to my old clients (renewable energy/BESS/micro grids) and developed solar farms, I can see how someone who theoretically knew what they were talking about, but wasn’t at the front line, could make that error.
Companies are being forced into Solar and Battery solutions at a remarkable rate because at current prices (31c p/kWh in 2022 and 2023), with very little relief and prices likely to remain above 12c all the way to 2026. Most big businesses will have paid off the Solar (not battery)investment prior to that.
I agree with your sentiment, in that I’m not sure it’s fixable, but * we kinda have to try for our kids - don’t we?
Reneweconomy is a good website to keep track of live energy generation mix if you are wondering how we are tracking. Most days, contrary to what you hear, we are about 40% which is a good start.
But forget Net Zero, we will be Net -500 at some point, possibly -800 —> whether that helps?
I watched a documentary on the North-West Passage, that is some scary s**t - soon we won’t even need the Panama Canal to transport goods from the Pacific to the Atlantic.
We've lost around 8,000 homes to climate disasters in the last three years on the East Coast, give or take a bit. Some are repaired and people move back but not all of them. But cos of covid we've had other stuff to talk about. Otherwise it would have been big news.I know mate. It’s real. Though it’s just interesting to watch the each far end of the spectrum when it comes to stuff like this, the best thing is 99% of them don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
seldom find bad places for said refreshments, but yes iam sure in the direr periods its quite pleasant, looks like its handy to walking / cycling trails which is a bonus, that was one if the things i loved about the UK, all those pubs on the canal tow trails, had a modest mountain bike i kept at helens parents when they were still in west midlands and on may a day when the wife went shopping i would ride the tow trails stopping off at various waterway pubs.Good for an afternoon beer though.
We've lost around 8,000 homes to climate disasters in the last three years on the East Coast, give or take a bit. Some are repaired and people move back but not all of them. But cos of covid we've had other stuff to talk about. Otherwise it would have been big news.
I'm moving my family to Tassie some time next year (even tho the North just got smashed) and that's part of the reason. The lows we get up here have started to rotate over the last 10 years. Its only a matter of time now (and a degree or two hotter ocean temp) before they start forming proper cyclones over Brisneyland.
seldom find bad places for said refreshemnts, but yes iam sure in the direr periods its quite plesent, looks like its handy to walking / cycling trails which is a bonus, that was one if the things i loved about the UK, all those pubs on the canal tow trails, had a modest mountain bike i kept at helens paretns when they were still in west midlands and on may a day when the wife went shopping i would ride the tow trails stopping off at various waterway pubs.
just hope that the lower story is setup to be easy to hose out and return to service.
Glaciers have melted and s**t is going down. How much time do you spend outside?People are acting like the glaciers have melted and s**t is going down, it is a bit early to be building your Ark.
Yes I know how the climate works. Why don't you analyse the amount of precipitation over the last 50 years and the changes as well as the changes in flood height this century. Its been one record after another in many parts of the country.We have been hit by three consecutive La Ninas, the warmer El Nino is something we more commonly are hit by, the cooler La Nina causes more rainfall, long stretches of El Ninos makes droughts more common, the La Ninas cause saturation, like our dams here are all between 95-100%, they let out as much water as they can without contributing to flooding, our catchments are full, saturated, this leaves nowhere for the rain to go but to flood the lowest points where rivers form.
Yeah I read this sort of s**t 30 years ago and the predictions that were made have happened.Normally we get mild La Ninas and El Ninos, but they vary in intensity. They think we will get more extreme intensities as the planet gets warmer. There is some interesting research on it... https://research.noaa.gov/article/A...ure-of-ENSO-under-influence-of-climate-change
Two - three years ago. Remember when severe fire seasons came every decade or two and didn't cause humungous losses in multiple states. you should cos you're old enough. We are unable to effectively "clean the fuel". Pre Invasion fire management was one of the major drivers of indigenous culture. Failure to manage fuel loads could be a cause for war between neighbours. If its properly managed we shouldn't even have crown fires any more. Modern forms of fuel reduction usually make the problems worse. Wytalibah was wiped out less than three years ago. It was one place where fuel reduction was an ongoing, well managed (or so we thought) process. It was destroyed within a few months of its last hazard reduction burning.And yet we haven't had a severe fire season since the last one, even though we still have plenty of forest land that was untouched by the last disaster. If we take more effort to clear the fuel, we wont get as extreme events.
How long do you think humans have been here? As your graph shows ice has been on the planet for about a third of the last 500 million years. Humans evolved during the last ice age, after 1.5 - 2 million years of cooling. We are dependent on a planet with ice caps and its not a sure thing we can survive on one without them. Its certainly not a sure thing that our modern infrastructure can. I'd bet it can't.There are a lot of factors involved and our actions play a big role, there wasn't any ice on this planet before humans, it isn't the natural state of the planet, it is too close to the sun to have permanent ice, we have glaciers because the planet went through a cataclysmic event (without humans being involved) and the ice is melting and will one day vanish regardless if we are here or not. We are speeding up that process.
We are seeing manifest changes. They probably wouldn't matter so much if we weren't so dependent on fragile infrastructure and leveraged systems. The weather/climate is a dynamic system. Small inputs into dynamic systems can cause major changes in output in areas because those systems don't distribute energy evenly, they distribute it unevenly. So the average temperature may increase a small amount but the fluctuations (ie extreme events) can vary wildly. It doesn't take alot of warming to remove nearly 10,000 homes from the East Coast. As we've seen in the lst three years.I mean, the planet hasn't even warmed 1 degree since the 1900, if you think we are experiencing manifest changes due to the climate with such a small change it is a bit nutty.
Just how long do you think humans have been around for?
We're already dealing with it.I mean, it is going to get a lot hotter and the animal life survived fine without biblical floods on a daily basis. We would have to devise some kind of global air conditioner to be able to even slow down the warming, let alone stop it. I think it is important we stop making the problem worse, but the only thing we can control is which generation is going to have to deal with it.
Beaconsfield. Where the gold mine is. I have a house there. My mum and nan were born in it so i've always wanted my daughters to live there for a little while at least. And if covid hadn't happened we might have moved by now. I want to be there before the eldest girl starts high school, which is 2024.Where in Tassie Ferb's ? Mrs H.keen to retire down there.
We had 600mm plus in about two hours when Debbie hit back in 2017. That was *en insane. Probably had similar back in Feb this year. We were cut off for a few days. Really serious land slippage everywhere too. In some places there were sandstone cliffs formed. That particular sandstone hadn't seen light or air/water for 140 million years (ie since it was formed.) The rain is stuipid. No one has ever seen anything like it. Even 80 year old + people, who've been dead for a decade or more wouldn't have seen anything like it considering what they thought of the 2008 flood.Can confirm.
I’ve seen 50mm in an hour up your way.
Greenest part of Australia.
Power stayed on. Funny because we've lost it from much smaller storms several times over the last couple of years. I'm all good but I don't know about the brushcutter and some other stuff in the garage. Went down to Melbourne today by driving backroads I've never used before. Saw the Maribyrnong, it's completely ****ed, flooded on both sides where the trains to North Melbourne cross. I'd never seen flooding that bad before there.You still got power?
You okay generally?