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IMO the bullshit was the messaging around it. Government is used to manipulating people so they kept on lying (masks not being needed, vaccines not having adverse events) or at least projecting false certainty (covid not airborne, vaccine stopping transmission). Too many spin doctors.

This is what generates a lack of trust in the populace. You know the government is basically lying to you most of the time. I happen to think that they're generally doing it for the right reasons and it's incompetence that leads them to choose a shitty course of action, but it's easy to interpret it as malice, that they're actually trying to do the wrong thing for their own benefit.

I hope but doubt that the outcome of this is that government gets better at being honest with people. Seems unlikely though.


Governments are always going to be clumsy in how they manage this kind of thing though. We expect perfection in everything these days when governments are a bunch of public servants talking to dull witted suits who have to sell the messages back and make quick calls even when they don't understand everything they are being asked to. A lot was changing by the day as new information came out. Everything isn't a conspiracy even though some do exist. People get off on being triggered these days and wok against their own and common good sometimes too.
 

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Governments are always going to be clumsy in how they manage this kind of thing though. We expect perfection in everything these days when governments are a bunch of public servants talking to dull witted suits who have to sell the messages back and make quick calls even when they don't understand everything they are being asked to. A lot was changing by the day as new information came out. Everything isn't a conspiracy even though some do exist. People get off on being triggered these days and wok against their own and common good sometimes too.
There’s clumsy, then there’s criminal.
Haram.
 
You fool. It is because he is a sigma that he can ingest the occasional pizza.
It’s probably not even pizza, it’s likely laundered money or trafficked girls in those boxes.
A whole new meaning to Mexicana.

Superb from the Top G
 
A guy at work introduced me to him a couple of weeks ago, he’s a big supporter because apparently Tate ‘keeps it real’.

For such an Alpha he sure got triggered by Greta.


Given the absolutely horrid shit this bloke has been up to (and seems to have made bank from) you'd think he'd just shut the **** up and enjoy his money.

Like bro, you got away with doing at best extremely immoral - at worst illegal on an international scale shit and apparently made millions. Shut the **** up and fade into obscurity.

But nah gotta beef with Greta Thunberg??
 
Given the absolutely horrid s**t this bloke has been up to (and seems to have made bank from) you'd think he'd just shut the * up and enjoy his money.

Like bro, you got away with doing at best extremely immoral - at worst illegal on an international scale s**t and apparently made millions. Shut the * up and fade into obscurity.

But nah gotta beef with Greta Thunberg??
Nobody ever said crims are smart.
 
Given the absolutely horrid s**t this bloke has been up to (and seems to have made bank from) you'd think he'd just shut the * up and enjoy his money.

Like bro, you got away with doing at best extremely immoral - at worst illegal on an international scale s**t and apparently made millions. Shut the * up and fade into obscurity.

But nah gotta beef with Greta Thunberg??
Narcissists though. Always wanna be in the spotlight.

The fact people look up to a guy who has trafficked humans, beaten women (and on camera) and said shit like women are partially responsible for being r*ped just shows how disgusting some people are.
 
Let’s pivot the convo, what conspiracy theories do you believe in?

I am certain 9/11 had some sort of government influence.

JFKs assassination is the obvious one but I’m not sure that’s even a conspiracy theory anymore.
Great, let's start a StKilda QAnon thread. FMD. On the back of those cookers from QLD who killed those cops and their neighbour,
I'd say your timing is a bit off right about now.
 
Let’s pivot the convo, what conspiracy theories do you believe in?

I am certain 9/11 had some sort of government influence.

JFKs assassination is the obvious one but I’m not sure that’s even a conspiracy theory anymore.
pizzagate is 100% real. The greatest trick the billionaire pedo's ever pulled was making it look like a loony conspiracy. Some parts clearly aren't true, like the demonic stuff and that pizza shop clearly doesn't have a secret basement. But the rest is true.
 
Great, let's start a StKilda QAnon thread. FMD. On the back of those cookers from QLD who killed those cops and their neighbour,
I'd say your timing is a bit off right about now.
Yeh wasn’t really the intention of the question but we can end it here if it makes you feel better.

Edit: I deleted the question for ya :)
 
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Let’s pivot the convo, what conspiracy theories do you believe in?

I am certain 9/11 had some sort of government influence.

JFKs assassination is the obvious one but I’m not sure that’s even a conspiracy theory anymore.


Most conspiracies are just made up or exaggerated I imagine, but governments and corporations do act in abhorrent ways. A lot of it isn't hidden but we all want to be the first call it out and the weirder and more crazy it gets the more people riff off it and add bits on. 9/11 was weird and maybe a conspiracy but I can't really see why they'd need to do something so drastic to start a war. Sometimes it's easier to believe that someone higher up was to blame to deal with the unfathomable nature of the act.

jFK looks like it was possibly some kind of inside job though. Things usually come out over time like Iran contra and US interference in South America though so who knows for sure. Probably thinks like MLK were also CIA or FBI jobs because the governments of the time were genuinely worried about a black uprising. Looks like most illegal drug prohibition was to suppress it.
 
Most conspiracies are just made up or exaggerated I imagine, but governments and corporations do act in abhorrent ways. A lot of it isn't hidden but we all want to be the first call it out and the weirder and more crazy it gets the more people riff off it and add bits on. 9/11 was weird and maybe a conspiracy but I can't really see why they'd need to do something so drastic to start a war. Sometimes it's easier to believe that someone higher up was to blame to deal with the unfathomable nature of the act.

jFK looks like it was possibly some kind of inside job though. Things usually come out over time like Iran contra and US interference in South America though so who knows for sure. Probably thinks like MLK were also CIA or FBI jobs because the governments of the time were genuinely worried about a black uprising. Looks like most illegal drug prohibition was to suppress it.
Often a lot of conspiracy theories have a grain of truth in it.

The problem with a lot of conspiracy theories is the number of people who would have to stay silent.

More people in on it the quicker it leaks
 
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Often a lot of conspiracy theories have a grain of truth in it.

The problem with a lot of conspiracy theories is the number of people who would have to stay silent.

More people in on it the quicker it leaks
Area 51 has had a bunch of supposed former employees speaking out but nobody takes them seriously. I have no doubt there’s been an interview with an older male with a blurred face and a changed voice on a show like 60 minutes being interviewed about the CIA killing JFK. No one takes them seriously. Perhaps rightfully so, without evidence their statements are worthless.

I just don’t buy the idea that conspiracy theories need every single person to keep quiet when we know it’s not true.
 
Regardless of their veracity....Conspiracy Theories have an indelible effect on the mind and the imagination of a young child. I was maybe 6 or 7 when Harold HOLT was declared missing off Cheviot Beach near Portsea. Now my family had a beach house down there and I remember many of the subsequent summers searching the beaches down there for clues.
My dad had echoed the conspiracies of the time , that a Chinese sub had picked him up off the coast.

My take and sentiment even at seven years of age was that some family member had domestic differences ...gone too far and buried him in the sand dunes.....left his gear at Cheviot...Voila ...mystery! Never to be solved.

The thing is though, after hearing the KENNEDY thing which continued ad nauseam well after the event and then Robert KENNEDY...Then the other KENNEDY accident killing that young women...all of those incidents including HOLT used to swirl around in my head...I thought anything was conceivably plausible.

The spirit of the times throughout the sixties seventies was ripe for conspiracies of that ilk. The conspiracies grew almost exponentially ...out doing each other as they occurred.
Its hard not to love a good theory!
 
Eh, conspiracy theorists right up there with flat earthers for mine.

9/11 was as much possible conspiracy as it was opportunity since you don't exact take pieces of sovereign nations as a group and half arse poking the presumably most powerful nation on the planet and not expect for that bear to boot your arse back in some capacity. Much like, you can very well claim things like the moon landing was faked in a studio and we're on a plane and just haven't reached the edge yet without then considering how one would hide that sort of explosion and just how many people would then have been needed to fake it and STFU about it being round and not exactly spherical.

Things like are there lizardmen amongst us and was JFK an inside job is as much a "yeah people probably knew things or heard things and disregarded" until aspects of humanity then decided "you know what, stuff it" and engaged it anyway, but then how much of something like that is inside knowledge of "well we heard murmours 5th hand" and the other people involved being straight pricks just because?

Me, I love the Roswell alien stuff, universe big place, would be very shizen if this was it, this was the apex of civilization, us primatives who still can't get over killing each other for minor power instances or just to feel better tomorrow. Would be very depressing, so give me greys, pinks, xenomorphs and things that go pew pew somewhere.
 

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Eh, conspiracy theorists right up there with flat earthers for mine.

9/11 was as much possible conspiracy as it was opportunity since you don't exact take pieces of sovereign nations as a group and half arse poking the presumably most powerful nation on the planet and not expect for that bear to boot your arse back in some capacity. Much like, you can very well claim things like the moon landing was faked in a studio and we're on a plane and just haven't reached the edge yet without then considering how one would hide that sort of explosion and just how many people would then have been needed to fake it and STFU about it being round and not exactly spherical.

Things like are there lizardmen amongst us and was JFK an inside job is as much a "yeah people probably knew things or heard things and disregarded" until aspects of humanity then decided "you know what, stuff it" and engaged it anyway, but then how much of something like that is inside knowledge of "well we heard murmours 5th hand" and the other people involved being straight pricks just because?

Me, I love the Roswell alien stuff, universe big place, would be very shizen if this was it, this was the apex of civilization, us primatives who still can't get over killing each other for minor power instances or just to feel better tomorrow. Would be very depressing, so give me greys, pinks, xenomorphs and things that go pew pew somewhere.


I believe that alien life most likely exists somewhere. Not sure that they visit though. Could be a bacteria on a rock on Kepler 268c though.
 
I believe that alien life most likely exists somewhere. Not sure that they visit though. Could be a bacteria on a rock on Kepler 268c though.

SETI be beaming lasers into space, that bacteria better be quick smart in thinking on the pew pews for Independence day to be fact instead of fiction. Also, could be life in a thin layer between Venus' outer atmo and all the parts that scream "OH GOD IT BURNS", too bad we can't breach the first burn mark to find out though.

I'm thinking smurf jetsins in Venus clouds, tiny microbe robots with little blue things that are just so high on methane they float and follow the one that decided to wear pants.
 
Yeah I was thinking about doing that but I love the redraw too much. I've got unlimited and free redraw so I just throw everything into the mortgage and redraw when I need it. Like a savings account basically.

Yeah that’s exactly what we do, works perfectly. **** paying more for an offset account.
 
I believe that alien life most likely exists somewhere. Not sure that they visit though. Could be a bacteria on a rock on Kepler 268c though.

General scientific consensus is that there's a lot of life out there, the numbers suggest it's very likely to be the case. The question is why we haven't seen it yet.

Popular at the moment is the Dark Forest hypothesis. Basically smart civilisations realise that there are probably some bad guys with spaceships out there, so they quickly decide to stay quiet just in case. The ones that don't end up disappearing pretty quickly.

So from that point of view blaring episodes of Love Island out into the universe is probably not going to turn out such a good strategy.
 
General scientific consensus is that there's a lot of life out there, the numbers suggest it's very likely to be the case. The question is why we haven't seen it yet.

Popular at the moment is the Dark Forest hypothesis. Basically smart civilisations realise that there are probably some bad guys with spaceships out there, so they quickly decide to stay quiet just in case. The ones that don't end up disappearing pretty quickly.

So from that point of view blaring episodes of Love Island out into the universe is probably not going to turn out such a good strategy.

My thought is less afraid and more a thing about linguistics and phonetics, like we're using things we understand without comprehending what others might then comprehend.

If we assume we're just scraping surfaces of quantum mechanics and these advanced instances have already mastered things like interstellar travelling mechanism that doesn't take millennia like light, why would they be using our modus of operandi to understand such primitive instances?

So it'd be more of a they're off on their own adventures and we're stuck in the one system on the one planet type deal with instruments less able to pierce that veil, akin to say the geth in mass effect and the perseus veil stuff. "Not been seen in thousands of years, dunno what's going on beyond that veil", that is, if you believe any of the prehistoric instances of "but but humans cannae do this alone" type structures or things like not being able to really comprehend Roman concrete and why it lasts or held as strongly as it did until what, 5 years back for a 2000 year old entity?
 
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