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[George]

His Dad's dying and you kick him in the head, what a tough guy.

Don't blame anyone but yourself if you can't compartmentalize a discussion.

No doubt we all have empathy for plugger's situation. There is no question of that.

We have rules for a reason. Do I need to put it in big bold letters that there is no COVID discussion allowed in this thread? Or should I keep having to repeat myself all the time? I cannot sit here and allow some to post about it and some to not.

Take these discussions to PM or in the dedicated thread on the main board. If I have to ask again I will just hand out suspensions. This could not be anymore clearer.

If you cannot understand that I have empathy for what people are going through at the moment, I don't know what to tell you. It's two separate issues, don't conflate them and then paint me in a negative light. It's shit behaviour and I'm not having it.

 

[gringo2011]

This is why we can't have a grey area unfortunately. It plain and simply doesn't belong here. Thanks

Why? I thought Plugger had talked about a terminally ill loved one where Covid was mentioned along with the sadness it adds to the situation but it's peripheral to the conversation. I doubt anyone would be callous enough to turn it into a political debate. In the interest of compassion you'd hope we would be able to use some discretion in these kind of cases. It's a particularly horrific scenario.

 

[George]

Why? I thought Plugger had talked about a terminally ill loved one where Covid was mentioned along with the sadness it adds to the situation but it's peripheral to the conversation. I doubt anyone would be callous enough to turn it into a political debate. In the interest of compassion you'd hope we would be able to use some discretion in these kind of cases. It's a particularly horrific scenario.

I understand where you are coming from but your suggestion would mean that we would have to sit here wading through posts that could pass on technicalities. I wouldn't expect that kind of responsibility and sacrifice of time on anyone so I don't really understand how it is okay to expect it from us. Passing posts based on a subjective view also opens up the discussion around "well you let certain people post and not others" and "are you trying to silence the other side of this debate". We cannot please everyone, lets make that clear at least. Like I told you and others before, We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we leave the posts we get criticised for allowing it when we said we wouldn't, and if we delete it then this is what happens. There is no perfect scenario, so it is easier and less time consuming if we either have it or we don't. At the moment, we don't.

Not to mention these kinds of touchy subjects spiral out of control quickly, and we just don't have the energy to actively moderate every single post.

This really does feel like the 5th or 6th time I've had to sit explaining the situation and you can probably imagine how tedious it gets. The rules are really very simple, and plugger does have avenues to vent/share his experience and that can be done through the main board or via PM. As a collective both groups who sit on either side of this topic have shown they cannot be trusted to have a respectful, adult conversation, so we will not have one.

It may come across as cold or uncaring, but this isn't a personal or moral debate. It's simply just moderating the board to avoid discussion around touchy subjects.

I don't really know how nicer or easier I could've explained that, and it is tiresome having to regurgitate similar when these questions are raised. So please take this as a final and definitive explanation and lets move on. I am open to bringing this discussion back, not sure about Hub - but not now.

I will say too that I am open to chatting to plugger privately if that is what he needs. If you feel he needs some support, feel free to reach out to him too. It is a terrible situation and a (private) message of support could help.

Thanks

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I went to the tennis for the first time tonight.
Saw Barty destroy her opponent and the first set of the Nadal game

 

[George]

I went to the tennis for the first time tonight.
Saw Barty destroy her opponent and the first set of the Nadal game

Gee not bad seats at all

 

[gringo2011]

I understand where you are coming from but your suggestion would mean that we would have to sit here wading through posts that could pass on technicalities. I wouldn't expect that kind of responsibility and sacrifice of time on anyone so I don't really understand how it is okay to expect it from us. Passing posts based on a subjective view also opens up the discussion around "well you let certain people post and not others" and "are you trying to silence the other side of this debate". We cannot please everyone, lets make that clear at least. Like I told you and others before, We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we leave the posts we get criticised for allowing it when we said we wouldn't, and if we delete it then this is what happens. There is no perfect scenario, so it is easier and less time consuming if we either have it or we don't. At the moment, we don't.

Not to mention these kinds of touchy subjects spiral out of control quickly, and we just don't have the energy to actively moderate every single post.

This really does feel like the 5th or 6th time I've had to sit explaining the situation and you can probably imagine how tedious it gets. The rules are really very simple, and plugger does have avenues to vent/share his experience and that can be done through the main board or via PM. As a collective both groups who sit on either side of this topic have shown they cannot be trusted to have a respectful, adult conversation, so we will not have one.

It may come across as cold or uncaring, but this isn't a personal or moral debate. It's simply just moderating the board to avoid discussion around touchy subjects.

I don't really know how nicer or easier I could've explained that, and it is tiresome having to regurgitate similar when these questions are raised. So please take this as a final and definitive explanation and lets move on. I am open to bringing this discussion back, not sure about Hub - but not now.

I will say too that I am open to chatting to plugger privately if that is what he needs. If you feel he needs some support, feel free to reach out to him too. It is a terrible situation and a (private) message of support could help.

Thanks

I think we've been pretty good at avoiding talking about it over-all and to me it wasn't really likely to lead to a mass of idiots rushing in to discuss it. It was part of a much more pertinent issue. I get you don't want to have to delete stuff but it's not like there is a reason in this case to get upset about it. I think most of us are mature enough to read the post for what it was without making it a discussion about the C word. If anything you'd hope it would help us all remember not to get into pissy arguments.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Gee not bad seats at all

And they're the cheaper ones. Row KK
A cool 190 bucks.

 

[George]

And they're the cheaper ones. Row KK
A cool 190 bucks.

Do you pay the 190 for the day or the session or whatever? Or is that something different? I haven't been in years

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Do you pay the 190 for the day or the session or whatever? Or is that something different? I haven't been in years

That was just for the night session for Rod Laver. I assume it behaves like an upgraded ground pass.

 

[gringo2011]

Do you pay the 190 for the day or the session or whatever? Or is that something different? I haven't been in years

My son and his mates bought kids tickets for $5 each today. Little shit came home with sunstroke so got his karma.

 

[plugger66]

Don't blame anyone but yourself if you can't compartmentalize a discussion.

No doubt we all have empathy for plugger's situation. There is no question of that.

We have rules for a reason. Do I need to put it in big bold letters that there is no COVID discussion allowed in this thread? Or should I keep having to repeat myself all the time? I cannot sit here and allow some to post about it and some to not.

Take these discussions to PM or in the dedicated thread on the main board. If I have to ask again I will just hand out suspensions. This could not be anymore clearer.

If you cannot understand that I have empathy for what people are going through at the moment, I don't know what to tell you. It's two separate issues, don't conflate them and then paint me in a negative light. It's sh*t behaviour and I'm not having it.

An absolute disgrace. It wasn’t about covid. It was about the dying of my old man. I’ve never been more disgusted in all my life with throw away comment. Obviously this will all get deleted and you will go on your merry way. Pathetic. I don’t care if he had covid or lung cancer. It was about my dying dad and how sad it is my mum can’t see him.

 

[George]

I think we've been pretty good at avoiding talking about it over-all and to me it wasn't really likely to lead to a mass of idiots rushing in to discuss it. It was part of a much more pertinent issue. I get you don't want to have to delete stuff but it's not like there is a reason in this case to get upset about it. I think most of us are mature enough to read the post for what it was without making it a discussion about the C word. If anything you'd hope it would help us all remember not to get into pissy arguments.

Yep I get it mate but we (the mods) are already in a tricky situation to begin with and we are doing our best to make it as clear as can be. You can still offer support to a poster without the need to have it public. Again it's got nothing to do with plugger or you or anyone else. Heck I've even been criticised before for being too grey on different issues and being asked to moderate to a black and white set of rules so people at least know where they stand. At the end of the day everyone's got an opinion and deciding what is allowed and what isn't comes with criticism regardless of which direction we go. It makes doing this incredibly difficult and unintentionally will piss people off regardless if we allow it or not. We just have to do what we think is right for the board as a whole and we tried COVID for a bit and it was a shitshow. Black and white is easier for us than grey.

 

[George]

An absolute disgrace. It wasn’t about covid. It was about the dying of my old man. I’ve never been more disgusted in all my life with throw away comment. Obviously this will all get deleted and you will go on your merry way. Pathetic. I don’t care if he had covid or lung cancer. It was about my dying dad and how sad it is my mum can’t see him.

I would suggest to read the following posts. You take things too personally. This isn't a personal issue. I hope you are doing as well as can be plugger. If you feel like you need to share your experience with people you trust, PM them.

 

[plugger66]

I would suggest to read the following posts. You take things too personally. This isn't a personal issue. I hope you are doing as well as can be plugger. If you feel like you need to share your experience with people you trust, PM them.

Don’t talk shit to me please. Covid wasn’t the issue. I couldn’t give a rats why he is dying. Just keep deleting. Pathetic. Pm them. What a lot of Shit. Yep I wanted some pity. I don’t know anyone to pm them.

 

[George]

Don’t talk sh*t to me please. Covid wasn’t the issue. I couldn’t give a rats why he is dying. Just keep deleting. Pathetic. Pm them. What a lot of sh*t. Yep I wanted some pity. I don’t know anyone to pm them.

What is the benefit of you posting publicly as opposed to privately?

Again you take things too personally, I don't know how anyone can legitimately believe people are that cold.

 

[plugger66]

What is the benefit of you posting publicly as opposed to privately?

Again you take things too personally, I don't know how anyone can legitimately believe people are that cold.

Well I can clearly see you are or to simple to understand. The point is publicly I felt like some sympathy. As if any moron would privately post to people they don’t know. Yep I take it personally The worst poster I’ve ever read and then side kick gets involved. As unpopular as I am with some I doubt more than you two would find any reason to find fault with my posts.

 

[George]

Well I can clearly see you are or to simple to understand. The point is publicly I felt like some sympathy. As if any moron would privately post to people they don’t know. Yep I take it personally The worst poster I’ve ever read and then side kick gets involved. As unpopular as I am with some I don’t more than you two would find any reason to find fault with my posts.

I am sorry you feel that way plugger.

 

[plugger66]

Maybe I just say my dad is dying. Sorry but I can’t tell you why. I gather that’s ok? By the way I gather in these 60 pages there is zero mention of religion covid or politics?

 

[George]

Maybe I just say my dad is dying. Sorry but I can’t tell you why. I gather that’s ok?

I hope you can appreciate we did leave your initial posts up.

We have to be black and white on topics that have shown to spiral out of control, not to mention it is tiresome and just not feasible to expect someone to sit and moderate a topic like this.

I am really sorry about your situation. I lost my Dad when I was 23. There is nothing anyone can do or say to make that situation any better. Time and grieving helps. If you need to PM me I am happy to talk to you. Sometimes moderating can be a shit job.

 

[plugger66]

I hope you can appreciate we did leave your initial posts up.

We have to be black and white on topics that have shown to spiral out of control, not to mention it is tiresome and just not feasible to expect someone to sit and moderate a topic like this.

I am really sorry about your situation. I lost my Dad when I was 23. There is nothing anyone can do or say to make that situation any better. Time and grieving helps. If you need to PM me I am happy to talk to you. Sometimes moderating can be a sh*t job.

I get that and have told you that but it wasn’t about covid. It was about my dad and mum not being able to see him. Obviously covid had to be mentioned otherwise people would ask why can’t she see him.

 

[George]

I get that and have told you that but it wasn’t about covid. It was about my dad and mum not being able to see him. Obviously covid had to be mentioned otherwise people would ask why can’t she see him.

We left it up but we have to draw a line somewhere. I was saying before how it's all subjective, we get criticised if we let it go and we get criticised if we delete it. We just need to make a decision and follow some kind of rule that we try to make as clear as we can. We don't actually want to spend all our time arguing on here.

It was never ever about you and it's been the same for others. It's just a shit part of how we have to maintain some kind of order because the few months we let it go showed that we couldn't have these discussions. We had people asking us to shut it down because it was ruining people's experience on here. It's just how it is at the moment unfortunately.

If you left out the COVID part it would've been fine as ridiculous as it sounds. From experience we know how quickly that kind of stuff can get out of control, we have two groups of people on this board who are strong in their views and it just takes one comment for it to turn. And you and gringo are probably right in all honesty, it probably would've been fine, but then the expectation of us changes from black and white to looking at each post individually and making a subjective decision...just takes up too much of our time. I think people would be more understanding of what we do when they see how difficult it can get. Most don't know the half of it and that's fair enough but sometimes we can't please everyone.

 

[plugger66]

Jesus man, that's some really shithouse callous posting. I'm pretty sure you're probably one of the reasons we can't talk about it on the forum. Apologies to George too, I was wrong we can't discuss anything in a mature way.

Yep he was right. It’s so sad that it becomes like this. I posted a photo of myself and dad in hospital today but it was deleted because I posted it in a quote from that guy. I have no problem with it being deleted because of that. Yep people can say do a personal message but I’ve admitted I want some pity. Seen my mates today but cant even see mum because of what she has. My daughter also has it until tomorrow. Sometimes you just need a little love even if you don’t even know anyone.

 

[CursingFijian]

Sorry to hear about your Dad plugger66. It’s just a shit situation for everyone, and especially for your father who doesn’t deserve to pass on without the comfort of family beside him. My thoughts are with you and your family. Be kind to yourself.

 

[joop]

Well I can clearly see you are or to simple to understand. The point is publicly I felt like some sympathy. As if any moron would privately post to people they don’t know. Yep I take it personally The worst poster I’ve ever read and then side kick gets involved. As unpopular as I am with some I doubt more than you two would find any reason to find fault with my posts.

Majority of us sympathize with your situation mate, sounds horrible and hope you're holding up ok.

 

[plugger66]

Sadly I have no one else to tell this early in the morning and none of my family read this site but dad passed away just 30 minutes ago. Now all the good stuff like telling my mum sisters and grand children. Love you Jonny boy. Maybe the saints can honour your life with a finals spot. You bloody owe me dad making me follow this club. You are one true saint. Looks like a big drink tonight

Can’t sleep now. Might watch plugger verses the swans in 1995.