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[PoppedCorn]

Good thing is that the bottom end of the engine is solid as hell.
Loved my AWD Territory Turbo.

Yeah they are pushing big numbers with standard bottom ends, crazy.

I have a non turbo version as well and even that scoots along just fine.

 

[Sully111]

It's a strange modern world. My family have been conservatives for generations until my parents. The old conservatives were staid, old fashion values, keep the ship upright and in a straight line types. Small business and self enterprise.

The right seems to have become the champions of radical free market economics and mega corporations. Throw in extreme religion and the preference of the lower classes and it's weird conglomeration.

The left started as the working classes united against the cruel moneyed who'd persecute and exploit them for their labour. It's become the choice of the educated middle classes, arts and a mix of different progressively motivated people.

Like Trump's weird mix of hippies and rednecks, it's all a weird lot of disparate groups flying under confused flags.

I'd argue that any Christian religious beliefs are labeled extreme today.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'd argue that any Christian religious beliefs are labeled extreme today.

Seems odd when compared to other religions doesn't it?

 

[Sully111]

Seems odd when compared to other religions doesn't it?

I hear you but it's hardly surprising given the current climate. Anything that was once the status quo in western society seems to now be deemed the enemy.

I'm generalising, of course.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah I generally love progress, I always think there's a better way to do things in the future and I'm not averse to blowing up the current steady state to get there.

But the progressives these days are always in too much of a hurry and expect everyone else to just agree with them and call them evil if they don't. They skip coalition building and grass roots activism and winning over hearts and minds. And then they're surprised when that causes a reaction in people who didn't really care about the original issue but really don't like being harangued and told they're subhuman.

I think it's algorithms that are causing the big divide. The Russians were running troll factories to cause trouble stirring up racial issues in the US. The issues were there but they helped stoke them. "News" services like Fox see it as a niche that sells advertising. Paying out $700 million for lying is still profitable enough to keep going. Trump is a phenomena of the modern age, he's like caricature and a human meme.

I get progressive posts of stupid right wing red necks getting interviewed at Trump rallies looking like simpletons and feel smug about my superior intellect.....but I also get mates who send me the right wing versions of weird punky lesbians crying about tortured beetles and shit. The right's meme game is much stronger than the left and funnier but both of them are toxic and divisive.

When you talk to everyone it's still the same stuff. Most know that we are being fleeced but they both blame different "elites". Corporations have taken over politics and would rather we fight about social issues while they ant farm us. People's living standards have gone a long way backwards and with AI coming in and removing jobs it's going to get a lot worse.

There is going to be a rocky road ahead and as long as everyone is fighting and not watching they can do what they want.


I think the Yes campaign thought that this would just walk through because it was a non issue, they weren't expecting a fight. Even the Liberals were going to back the Yes vote but Dutton saw it as a political opportunity and made it a battle.

Looks like a good call for his political cause but he's basically doing another Pinkeba six on another indigenous issue. I don't think he likes them.

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[Dr Spaceman]

Of course the real reason is if the hands of a clock move in an anti clockwise direction, then it would not be a clock but an anti clock.

Which begs the question: if a clock and anti clock are side by side, does time stand still?

Well if they are side by side on top of a counter, do they both then move in a counter clockwise direction?

 

[phantom13]

I'd argue that any Christian religious beliefs are labeled extreme today.

Im not sure we wanna do the religion discussion but i dont think thats really true. Im an atheist but i have no issue with Christians or any religion really.

Its only the extreme versions of that who pick and chose which bits of the book are important.

Gay = Sin unnacceptable
Working on the Sabbath = Totally fine
Mixing Fabrics = No issue

I went to a mates wedding about a year back, full blown Hillsong happy clapper, his best man was his Gay brother, this guy (in some form) runs a youth congregation, they do concerts and shit. Hes great, lovely guy (just opened his own coffee shop) hes goes to church every Sunday and is very deidcated to his faith but also acknowledges its based on a story book written millienia ago and needs some updated interpretations.

The basic tenants of Christianity formed modern western society, theres nothing wrong with it at all.

 

[True Believer]

Of course the real reason is if the hands of a clock move in an anti clockwise direction, then it would not be a clock but an anti clock.

Which begs the question: if a clock and anti clock are side by side, does time stand still?

Only if they are tied together..............with a mobius strip.

 

[gringo2011]

I'd argue that any Christian religious beliefs are labeled extreme today.

I don't think so, there are plenty of progressive christians that have christian values without demanding that everyone else comes along with them and that the state follows their beliefs. The extreme stuff is where they want to push their beliefs on to government and laws IMO.

 

[gringo2011]

I hear you but it's hardly surprising given the current climate. Anything that was once the status quo in western society seems to now be deemed the enemy.

I'm generalising, of course.

That's the thing, a decade ago people were looking at Islam and their extreme religious beliefs that looked like Christianity in the Middle Ages. Now in the US the christian movement looks like they want to model off that stuff. They want schools and judiciary "owned" by the church and to run society on the beliefs of one group.

We have chosen to be secular so that different religions can live together in harmony, removing the church from making decisions for the state was put in the US constitution. Before we had islam, the Catholics and Protestants used to kill each other and make each other the enemy.

A lot of religion has has ended up having very little interest in their religious values when given power. Usually once in power they go full iron fist to control anyone that might influence people away from their beliefs

Christians and any other religious people who live a life with the values of their religion but aren't forcing it on anyone are usually good people. No issue with any of them.

 

[Sully111]

I don't think so, there are plenty of progressive christians that have christian values without demanding that everyone else comes along with them and that the state follows their beliefs. The extreme stuff is where they want to push their beliefs on to government and laws IMO.

I'm not questioning what is extreme or what isn't.

 

[phantom13]

I'd argue that any Christian religious beliefs are labeled extreme today.

I'm not questioning what is extreme or what isn't.

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[Sully111]

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Really dude?

You can't figure out the difference?

"That is labeled extreme" is not the same as 'I think (or don't think) that is extreme"

 

[StFly]

 

[South of the Yarra]

Some were worst than others but I worked at Port Keats (Wadeye), Groote Eylandt (Ayangkidarrba) and Maningrida. I also did relieving stints at Roper River (Ngukurr), Borroloola (Burrulula), Mutijulu and Maranboy (Barunga). All had there moments and had the potential to be very dangerous places for ALL those present. I saw more death, violence and human destruction in those 15 years, than some would see in tours of war zones.

As an example I had a female friend come to visit when I was in Katherine in the late 90's, who had previously lived in Cape Town SA as an exhange student. She said she felt safer as a female walking around Cape Town than she did in Katherine NT. Thats not to appear racist that was just the reality! How many other country towns (apart from northern Australia) were unsafe to walk about during day light hours? Not too many I would suggest.

Gee I have been in all of these communities and have seen nothing like that. Yes, there is horrible violence, domestic violence and suicide but there are damn good people who struggle with extreme poverty and lack of engagement and resources.. My wife walks around all these communities' days and night with no problems at all. Perception is a funny thing. Certainly, none of them are close to being more dangerous than Cape Town. To compare it with Cape Town is ridiculous. The Northern Territory has around 8 murders per 100,000 people. Capetown has around 70 murders per 100,000 people. Anyone walked through South Yarra on a Friday night at 1.00am. Have you seen the fights, teenagers vomitting in streets, sexual assaults, the bashings, shootings, stabbings, the violence and the drunks. It is ok to be drunk and passed out though if you are a teenage girl dressed nicely or a man in a business suit. Doesn't give the same impression as a drunk Aboriginal in the street.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Gee I have been in all of these communities and have seen nothing like that. Yes, there is horrible violence, domestic violence and suicide but there are damn good people who struggle with extreme poverty and lack of engagement and resources.. My wife walks around all these communities' days and night with no problems at all. Perception is a funny thing. Certainly, none of them are close to being more dangerous than Cape Town. To compare it with Cape Town is ridiculous. The Northern Territory has around 8 murders per 100,000 people. Capetown has around 70 murders per 100,000 people. Anyone walked through South Yarra on a Friday night at 1.00am. Have you seen the fights, teenagers vomitting in streets, sexual assaults, the bashings, shootings, stabbings, the violence and the drunks. It is ok to be drunk and passed out though if you are a teenage girl dressed nicely or a man in a business suit. Doesn't give the same impression as a drunk Aboriginal in the street.

I dont know your backgound but you cant of spent any length time in any of those communities. If you visited as a medical specialist it would have been fly in fly out stuff, which is hardly experiencing a full understanding of the issues. Im relating my experience between the late 80's to early 2000's. The stats you quoted are from 2022, the murder rates when I was in the NT were 8 x times the national and the sexual assault rates were 20 x times the national average per capita.

Most are beautiful people but when shit hits the fan they are like a war zones, obviously you have experienced a very sanitised version tucked away in your confortable bed in Melbourne.

 

[True Believer]

Gee I have been in all of these communities and have seen nothing like that. Yes, there is horrible violence, domestic violence and suicide but there are damn good people who struggle with extreme poverty and lack of engagement and resources.. My wife walks around all these communities' days and night with no problems at all. Perception is a funny thing. Certainly, none of them are close to being more dangerous than Cape Town. To compare it with Cape Town is ridiculous. The Northern Territory has around 8 murders per 100,000 people. Capetown has around 70 murders per 100,000 people. Anyone walked through South Yarra on a Friday night at 1.00am. Have you seen the fights, teenagers vomitting in streets, sexual assaults, the bashings, shootings, stabbings, the violence and the drunks. It is ok to be drunk and passed out though if you are a teenage girl dressed nicely or a man in a business suit. Doesn't give the same impression as a drunk Aboriginal in the street.

I have no issue with a little artistic license to make a point, but if we were getting a lot of shootings amongst the well-heeled crowds of South Yarra at 1am every Friday night, I think there may be some headlines!!

 

[phantom13]

Really dude?

You can't figure out the difference?

"That is labeled extreme" is not the same as 'I think (or don't think) that is extreme"

So you think others label Christianity as extreme? But you don’t? Is that what you’re saying.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I have no issue with a little artistic license to make a point, but if we were getting a lot of shootings amongst the well-heeled crowds of South Yarra at 1am every Friday night, I think there may be some headlines!!

Like these two South Yarra shootings in the last eight days. Is that what you mean?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/south-yarra-shooting-man-injured-in-chapel-st-incident-after-gangland-figure-killed/news-story/a923c9779b7adef0bfcc99143dd55eb4

Police confirm Melbourne shooting victim had links to organised crime

A man has died after he was shot multiple times while walking along a street in South Yarra, in Melbourne's inner south-east. Police say the man appears to have been targeted and had links to organised crime.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Yawkey way]

So you think others label Christianity as extreme? But you don’t? Is that what you’re saying.

Christianity is a pretty broad brush but I’m not sure how anyone could label mainstream Christianity extreme today.

 

[Yawkey way]

Like these two South Yarra shootings in the last eight days. Is that what you mean?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/south-yarra-shooting-man-injured-in-chapel-st-incident-after-gangland-figure-killed/news-story/a923c9779b7adef0bfcc99143dd55eb4

Police confirm Melbourne shooting victim had links to organised crime

A man has died after he was shot multiple times while walking along a street in South Yarra, in Melbourne's inner south-east. Police say the man appears to have been targeted and had links to organised crime.

www.abc.net.au

Organised crime, gangland, targeted attack hardly equates to lawlessness.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I dont know your backgound but you cant of spent any length time in any of those communities. If you visited as a medical specialist it would have been fly in fly out stuff, which is hardly experiencing a full understanding of the issues. Im relating my experience between the late 80's to early 2000's. The stats you quoted are from 2022, the murder rates when I was in the NT were 8 x times the national and the sexual assault rates were 20 x times the national average per capita.

Most are beautiful people but when s**t hits the fan they are like a war zones, obviously you have experienced a very sanitised version tucked away in your confortable bed in Melbourne.

A very sanitised version tucked away in my bed in Melbourne rofl. That is close to the funniest thing I have ever read. I could give you a far more real version than most including yourself. I have spent substantial time in many of these communities and many more. And no not fly in and fly out.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Organised crime, gangland, targeted attack hardly equates to lawlessness.

Oh so shootings in the street by organised crime is acceptable and not lawless but if an Aboriginal person does it, it is crime. Ok then

 

[Sun Ra]

I have no issue with a little artistic license to make a point, but if we were getting a lot of shootings amongst the well-heeled crowds of South Yarra at 1am every Friday night, I think there may be some headlines!!

You mean like this ?

 

[Yawkey way]

Oh so shootings in the street by organised crime is acceptable but if an Aboriginal person does it, it is crime. Ok then

Did I say that, you’re the one that appears to want to make that an issue so ok let’s go down that path. Alice springs, Townsville just to name two where clearly is recent times we’ve had massive problems particularly with aboriginal youth, ruining businesses and lives should we ignore that?. I have a problem with drunken, violent people full stop, I have a problem with theft, violent crime, domestic abuse, rape and so on. I have a basic expectation that the law of the land be applied equally to all citizens regardless of race and to think otherwise is racist Imo.

Crime unfortunately is increasing everywhere even in my part of town in a sleepy street in the last 12 months I’ve had a wheel stolen off my car and my plates stolen twice. Last week someone broke into my son in laws Ute and stole golf clubs and other sporting gear. We had the bastard rapist Bailey attack someone at Elwood beach, it happens everywhere and again my expectation is that the police do what they can to deter crime, catch and prosecute offenders whoever and wherever they may be.