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[SaintTwitch]

Haven’t felt this good about a resurrection since RTB came back

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Was not disingenuous actually, may have caught you at an emotional moment.

I still haven’t heard any compelling cases. Investing and crossing our fingers we can magically make 200m turbines disappear isn’t a plan to me. Maybe we cut windows out and place climate immigrants inside?

Save the world? I’d never be so arrogant to suggest we can make the slightest difference. Air quality would be more my focus.

Re: insects I’d stop governments burning bees under the guise of disease control, and I certainly wouldn’t be eating the crickets.

The joys of free market capitalism means that businesses are researching and investing in new ways to recycle and new renewable tech.

And you have also yet to give any compelling cases.

I will ask it again

What is your plan for all the climate immigrants?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And that’s the USA’s problem because?. Trump uses that bombastic approach as an opening gambit. If it has in the past helped him make other deals then great.

Frankly it amazes and bemuses me that Australian’s and others think that the US owes you a living. The presidents elected to serve the American people, how would you like it if Albo put other countries interests first ?.

Anyway I’ve been worried about my kids future leading into this election and I honestly think we’ve had a massive win, I’m going to enjoy it tonight.

I’d wondered if I’d ever return to the US, now I’m sure I will and my family there is over the moon about his win.

Its a few years then it'll switch.
A few years can move your life up and down the ladder, it always swing back the other way.
I've found my niche in life, and ridden out different governments, and a couple of bad recessions.
I wish i'd done things differently and been better, but it hasn't been those idiots running things that have made the difference.
You need to take your opportunity, and make yourself useless.
Don't get too greedy for what your doing ( smithers is costing us a lot of money ) and don't be too easy to replace.

The thing i noticed about Trump is that his government actions aren't as bad as his idiotic speeches. I probably don't mind him if he keeps his big mouth shut.

If the USA stock market goes well, so will Australia's, because we are "perceived" to be linked.

Our manufacturing sector all but shut down because of a temporary high AU$ value, caused by a mining boom to china, caused by them building cities no-one wanted to live in.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I ate a lot of shrooms after the 09 GF to try and erase that reality. Got lost in Brunswick, where ever house turned into an identical doll house, started freaking out, then I stumbled upon a giant rock with a compass on it and started pissing myself laughing

See if we won, you would have wound up in a hong kong bath house with a 10k bill.

But what a ride.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And what is your plan re: disposing/recycling the turbines and panels once their short lifespan has reached the end?

Send them to asia to stack on top of the plastic bags and stop them blowing into the ocean.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

My 12 Year old son's friend texted him tonight saying that a) his Mum is crying because Trump won and b) America will no longer be a democracy

I watched Trump's acceptance speech with both my boys this evening, in an effort to just take some of the bullshit hysteria away. They were laughing pretty hard when he was talking about Elon's rocket. I think it helped them see he's not Hitler.

I agree though mate... I always tell my kids to research stuff themselves. What a surreal world they're growing up in.

The cold truth is that the USA will never really change after the "New Deal" consensus ended.

One party is just conservative neoliberal capitalism and one is liberal neoliberal capitalism.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The joys of free market capitalism means that businesses are researching and investing in new ways to recycle and new renewable tech.

And you have also yet to give any compelling cases.

I will ask it again

What is your plan for all the climate immigrants?

Just like you, I have no plans. Subsidise housing in Alice Springs?
Better yet, house them with those who are oh so desperate to solve the imminent disaster

 

[SaintsSeptember]

kek it was not buddy.

Renewables will solve one part of cost of living.

CSIRO report confirms renewables still cheapest new-build power in Australia

Solar photovoltaics (PV) and wind continue to be the cheapest sources of new electricity generation capacity in Australia, even when the integration costs of renewables are included, according to the final 2020-21 GenCost Report, released today.

www.csiro.au

Not to mention it would mean diversifying our economy (which is badly needed)

Cheapest electricity while the sun shines is the correct statement.
What's the cheapest electricity when the sun aint shining and the wind aint blowing.

Stop dumbing it down.

Of course big business can pay a pittance for for "green" electricity, and pretend their coal electricity at night is yesterday's solar, and claim renewable.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Just like you, I have no plans. Subsidise housing in Alice Springs?
Better yet, house them with those who are oh so desperate to solve the imminent disaster

Or maybe we could actually do something.

Every bit helps.

Being defeatist does nothing.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Trump is only 20 years younger than Jimmy Carter, if you don't like him, just wait it out.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Cheapest electricity while the sun shines is the correct statement.
What's the cheapest electricity when the sun aint shining and the wind aint blowing.

Stop dumbing it down.

Of course big business can pay a pittance for for "green" electricity, and pretend their coal electricity at night is yesterday's solar, and claim renewable.

Guess what we have?

A lot of waves.

Tidal would be killer for us, the bass strait is well known for being a good clam stretch of water.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Or maybe we could actually do something.

Every bit helps.

Being defeatist does nothing.

Do something about what? What percentage of CO2 emissions does Australia account for?
I know, let’s nuke India and Chynah!

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Trump is only 20 years younger than Jimmy Carter, if you don't like him, just wait it out.

On a unrelated note, Jimmy Carter now falls out of legos age rating.

I also wonder if the king sent him a card.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Do something about what? What percentage of CO2 emissions does Australia account for?
I know, let’s nuke India and Chynah!

Well we could start eating more kangaroo, invest more into batteries, create a good ev network, have well planned infrastructure.

Doing nothing is pure defeatism

 

[bergholt]

And what is your plan re: disposing/recycling the turbines and panels once their short lifespan has reached the end?

Nah that issue's overblown. They're not that big in the scheme of things, just like landfills really don't actually take up that much space in a place like Australia. Just dump em somewhere and work on recycling the bits you can make something of. Cost of disposal is a small percentage of TCO for these.

The arguments against are all about grid stability and energy storage, that's a way bigger part of TCO than disposal.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I will also say this.

Dubya and Reagan are, were and forever will be the 2 worst US presidents.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Well we could start eating more kangaroo, invest more into batteries, create a good ev network, have well planned infrastructure.

Doing nothing is pure defeatism

Agree re: kangaroo, no more batteries please - won’t somebody think of the kids in the Congo , think hybrid is more the go than pure EV for so many reasons, gave up waiting for well-planned infrastructure a long time ago.

By labelling one a defeatist you’re assuming one believes there is an issue to defeat

 

[bergholt]

Having a look at Reddit, and they are losing their minds. Turns out their echo chamber was really more of an echo broom closet.

I'm broadly a leftie, really hope the left learn their lesson this time. Progressive doesn't mean you have to change everything all at once. Compare the way (centre-left) Turnbull did the gay marriage plebiscite with the way (centre-left) Albo did the voice referendum. You make a small, reasonable change, sell it well so most people agree with it, and then you move forward. Trying to do it all at once (as the left has been doing for 10+ years) is a recipe for backlash.

 

[bergholt]

Agree re: kangaroo, no more batteries please - won’t somebody think of the kids in the Congo

Hah, if you're worried about shitty conditions in mines then you won't be able to use much modern tech

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Agree re: kangaroo, no more batteries please - won’t somebody think of the kids in the Congo , think hybrid is more the go than pure EV for so many reasons, gave up waiting for well-planned infrastructure a long time ago.

By labelling one a defeatist you’re assuming one believes there is an issue to defeat

This nation has a lot of Cobalt fyi

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Nah that issue's overblown. They're not that big in the scheme of things, just like landfills really don't actually take up that much space in a place like Australia. Just dump em somewhere and work on recycling the bits you can make something of. Cost of disposal is a small percentage of TCO for these.

The arguments against are all about grid stability and energy storage, that's a way bigger part of TCO than disposal.

Thousands of 200m turbines not that big? What about the tonnes of concrete footings required for them? What type of machinery and fuel is used for that too by the way?
Then who is the onus on re: upkeep and maintenance of said turbines? The contracts I’ve read puts all the onus on the land owner/farmer.
What happens when these companies set up these wind farms and then sell to an overseas company?
“Hi there, there’s a turbine on fire on my land”

If they pick up at all - “Yeah that’s your issue, not ours”

It’s not as simple as it’s made out to be imo. And “just dumping them somewhere” is not an acceptable plan in my view.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Hah, if you're worried about shitty conditions in mines then you won't be able to use much modern tech

Hint, I’m not the one worried

 

[Dard Ball Get]

This nation has a lot of Cobalt fyi

And who digs it up? How is the lithium mining going lately?

 

[bergholt]

Guess what we have?

A lot of waves.

Tidal would be killer for us, the bass strait is well known for being a good clam stretch of water.

I was talking to a guy about this the other day, wave and tidal are turning out to be pretty hard unfortunately. The ocean is a pretty ****ed environment for mechanisms and maintenance is hard. Not sure they're going to save us.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I'm broadly a leftie, really hope the left learn their lesson this time. Progressive doesn't mean you have to change everything all at once. Compare the way (centre-left) Turnbull did the gay marriage plebiscite with the way (centre-left) Albo did the voice referendum. You make a small, reasonable change, sell it well so most people agree with it, and then you move forward. Trying to do it all at once (as the left has been doing for 10+ years) is a recipe for backlash.

Pragmatic lefties tend to lose the voice to the stupid ones.

I have dated a greens staffer for Adam Bandt and she could not comprehend that I could be pragmatic

(and also I might have drunkenly called Lida Thorpe an Ammos footballer who needed the handling of Ben Cousins)