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[gringo2011]

I definitely don't think it was the deciding factor, especially when Biden would have lost by even more. But you can't just disregard the fact that there is a certain amount of people in the US who are not ready for a woman president.

It's probably a factor for some as is race and a few other things but at the end of the day people want things to go back to how they were when you could have a better standard of living in the west. Capitalism is a limited system. Perpetual growth needs to start eating itself at some point. I read a lot of Twitter, people are raging that they can send billions to Israel and Ukraine but Americans can barely get by on two wages.

Ironically the Trump right are less hawkish than the Biden/Harris left at the moment. They talk about ending the constant wars that syphon money back to the military industry. I hope that is the one legacy Trump does leave.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Albo will go down for the same reason. He's not fixing structural stuff while there is a real strain on household budgets. Inflation is an incumbent killer.

I reckon a lot of political parties deep down wish they lost the during covid/post covid elections due to the inflation and the ones that did are soon realising that it was a blessing in disguise.

 

[Armoooo]

I reckon a lot of the analysis into the election is redundant.

I think it is as simple as this, the majority of people think they are being asked to vote: Are you left wing or are you right wing?

People are then voting based on their biases for or against either side of this false dichotomy.

People aren't analysing the economy, it's all based on gut feel.

People like Trump because he's anti-woke in their eyes. The right have a much more unified base, people are all marching to the same beat.

The left wing are too busy infighting based on how far down the purity cycle you are. I'm super left wing, welcome to countries don't bother me, I'm happy to use people's preferred pronouns, I believe in the gender pay gap etc. etc. Despite this I've still been called a transphobe for saying I wouldn't want to sleep with a transgender woman, I've still been called sexist for believing that athletes pay should be proportionate to the revenue they generate and I've still been called racist for thinking the Voice vote was a waste of time which I didn't believe would accomplish anything.

If you have reasonable people who are in the centre to the left, it's not hard to see how they get pushed to the right.

 

[joop]

It's probably a factor for some as is race and a few other things but at the end of the day people want things to go back to how they were when you could have a better standard of living in the west. Capitalism is a limited system. Perpetual growth needs to start eating itself at some point. I read a lot of Twitter, people are raging that they can send billions to Israel and Ukraine but Americans can barely get by on two wages.

Ironically the Trump right are less hawkish than the Biden/Harris left at the moment. They talk about ending the constant wars that syphon money back to the military industry. I hope that is the one legacy Trump does leave.

Which is stupid in itself, anyone with half a clue about military contracts knows what Ukraine is being sent.

 

[Armoooo]

Which is stupid in itself, anyone with half a clue about military contracts knows what Ukraine is being sent.

Are you referring to obsolete surplus?

The Ukraine aid argument is another one I find pretty dumb. They're sending equipment that was just going to rot away in storage facilities before being destroyed and at the same time, they are significantly leaking the armed forces of a hostile nation.

It's a win/win.

All my mates reckon Trump is going to end the war on day 1 without having to concede any captured territory to Russia.

They seriously believe that Putin is just going to walk away from the gambit that he has staked his entire legacy on just because Trump is a "strong negotiator"... it's a shame he didn't use those skills when he handed Afghanistan back to the taliban or gave Iran a free run at becoming a nuclear power...

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Which is stupid in itself, anyone with half a clue about military contracts knows what Ukraine is being sent.

And let's also be real, the USA's military industrial complex loves that sweet sweet money and is a key part of their economy.

And the US Military needs a good RnD testing field.

 

[jwikked]

This is a footy forum site not a policical site

Trump would be a generational full forward. Tall, strong, incredibly handsome.

Which is stupid in itself, anyone with half a clue about military contracts knows what Ukraine is being sent.

Sure, they're getting the equivalent of $8 billion worth of military gear, while new military gear is bought for the US.. Still, that $8 billion is being spent on weapons, instead of helping the people within the country that need real help.
I know it's much much more than $8 billion, but that's just an example.

All my mates reckon Trump is going to end the war on day 1 without having to concede any captured territory to Russia.

Some territory should be conceded to Russia. Some of that territory is close enough to Russia that it ultimately wouldn't matter. Nobody cared about Crimea 10 years ago. If it ends the war, it's a fine outcome.

 

[Armoooo]

Trump would be a generational full forward. Tall, strong, incredibly handsome.

Sure, they're getting the equivalent of $8 billion worth of military gear, while new military gear is bought for the US.. Still, that $8 billion is being spent on weapons, instead of helping the people within the country that need real help.
I know it's much much more than $8 billion, but that's just an example.


Some territory should be conceded to Russia. Some of that territory is close enough to Russia that it ultimately wouldn't matter. Nobody cared about Crimea 10 years ago. If it ends the war, it's a fine outcome.

America are spending that $8B you refer to on new equipment regardless to keep the military industrial complex ticking over. It either goes to Ukraine or it gets destroyed. What they could do with that money instead is irrelevant as neither party is willing to consider reducing military expenditure as it would be political suicide.

As for the idea that some territory should be conceded... that's just silly. You think capitulating to Putin is going to stop him from taking more land? It wouldn't be the end of the war, it would be the eye of the storm. It would be The Munich Agreement mk 2. The Trump cult would still be singing about peace for our time.

 

[StFly]

Some territory should be conceded to Russia. Some of that territory is close enough to Russia that it ultimately wouldn't matter. Nobody cared about Crimea 10 years ago. If it ends the war, it's a fine outcome.

Some of us hold our tongues, just to say, you are wrong in this statement, so very wrong.

In other news...

Pakistan keep Australia in it as they give up a wicket in absolutely trashing Australia in the ODI. is to say Aus has never had a 10 wicket loss in Australia in ODI this came close as only 9 wicket win for Pakistan.

With the winning runs.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Probably not a very popular statement but I was never really a big fan of Nick reiwoldt and still not.

 

[joop]

Trump would be a generational full forward. Tall, strong, incredibly handsome.

Sure, they're getting the equivalent of $8 billion worth of military gear, while new military gear is bought for the US.. Still, that $8 billion is being spent on weapons, instead of helping the people within the country that need real help.
I know it's much much more than $8 billion, but that's just an example.


Some territory should be conceded to Russia. Some of that territory is close enough to Russia that it ultimately wouldn't matter. Nobody cared about Crimea 10 years ago. If it ends the war, it's a fine outcome.

That’s just not true, if they don’t spend that money it doesn’t get put back into the American economy. It just gets spent again. America has no interest on decreasing its military budget, which is what would need to happen for the money to be distributed to help the American people as you say.

 

[jwikked]

which is what would need to happen for the money to be distributed to help the American people

Yes, that is the point

 

[jwikked]

Some of us hold our tongues, just to say, you are wrong in this statement, so very wrong.

I get that it isn’t popular, but if it ends the war, it’s for the best.

Perhaps you’d like to see another $250 billion spent, 1 million lives lost and another 15 years of war. At what point is it not worth it?

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Nobody cared about Crimea 10 years ago.

This would have to be one of the more ignorant posts I've read on this forum, and that's f..king saying something.

 

[Joffaboy]

I get that it isn’t popular, but if it ends the war, it’s for the best.

Perhaps you’d like to see another $250 billion spent, 1 million lives lost and another 15 years of war. At what point is it not worth it?

Nobody is winning that war anytime soon.

I have heard that the Trump solution is to cede the current territory in exchange for NATO membership. How that works in the future is anybodies guess, however Putin has been loathe to step one centimetre into NATO lands, so it is a possibility.

He might also stop us from having to go to war with China over Taiwan. If you want to see our economy crash, go to war with your biggest trade partner over a country we don't even recognise.
Anyway since his election my super balance had gone up 15k.

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[Sully111]

elections.... war..... ick

Check out my Jazzmaster

 

[Yawkey way]

Essentially correct, misspeaks a couple of times. You can find him speaking on who’s making money out of this and the eventual reconstruction.

What a negotiated settlement looks like will be very interesting but whose interests does it serve to continue the destruction and massive loss of life ?.

 

[StFly]

Essentially correct, misspeaks a couple of times. You can find him speaking on who’s making money out of this and the eventual reconstruction.

What a negotiated settlement looks like will be very interesting but whose interests does it serve to continue the destruction and massive loss of life ?.

"No one died in Crimea"
Official reports:
1 SDF trooper (vale Tony)
2 soldiers (vale Heather and Kim)

We hardly knew you, well, mr brain worm didn't know you existed at all, so most of us hardly knew you, at least one had NFI you existed at all.

 

[bergholt]

Probably not a very popular statement but I was never really a big fan of Nick reiwoldt and still not.

I didn’t love him for most of his career, finally came around in the last couple of years before he retired. Didn’t mind him in media.

 

[bergholt]

So, where did the voters go?

The "missing" voters were overwhelmingly white men who voted for Biden last time and didn't vote for Kamala this time. Basically all the other demos were similar to last time.

Simplest explanation for mine is that the left broadly alienates white men, so therefore they probably don't bother to come out and vote for the Democrats. I don't think it has to be a conspiracy when it's so obvious why white men wouldn't vote for a left wing party right now.

 

[jwikked]

This would have to be one of the more ignorant posts I've read on this forum, and that's f..king saying something.

It’s true. The world sat back and watched as Russia took it. Frankly, it seems like most of the citizens there didn’t care too much either.

 

[Hubnester]

Anyone at TISM tonight? First time at the Sidney Myer Music Bowl, awesome joint

 

[gringo2011]

I reckon a lot of political parties deep down wish they lost the during covid/post covid elections due to the inflation and the ones that did are soon realising that it was a blessing in disguise.

Definitely. That said the whole system needs some serious redesigning. AI is going to absolutely smash jobs. I was listening to a guy who is a future planner. He reckons 2030 will be the point that AI will have decimated the job market but also leads to hyper deflation. Says the world needs to start planning for what that world looks like now.

Instead we are propping up the mega corporations so that they'll own every aspect of the world economy. People look at their feet not ahead of them. We need brave and visionary politicians but fall back to populist recidivists.

 

[Baldur]

I get that it isn’t popular, but if it ends the war, it’s for the best.

Perhaps you’d like to see another $250 billion spent, 1 million lives lost and another 15 years of war. At what point is it not worth it?

It would end this stage of this war for now, while ensuring more wars will happen and this war will be renewed. Dictators would learn that all they have to do is make some people in the west uncomfortable with conflict and they will get what they want. Appeasement has the track record of simply delaying the issue while making it much worse to resolve in the long run.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It's probably a factor for some as is race and a few other things but at the end of the day people want things to go back to how they were when you could have a better standard of living in the west. Capitalism is a limited system. Perpetual growth needs to start eating itself at some point. I read a lot of Twitter, people are raging that they can send billions to Israel and Ukraine but Americans can barely get by on two wages.

Ironically the Trump right are less hawkish than the Biden/Harris left at the moment. They talk about ending the constant wars that syphon money back to the military industry. I hope that is the one legacy Trump does leave.

A lot of its deceptive, people in places like Bali think we are loaded, but for a lot of people take away the rent, and the utility bills etc etc, they get to go out for dinner a lot more than a lot of Australians.

Stuff like Coca Cola costs practically nothing to make. In Australia you buy a cold can in the Servo for $5.00.
I poor countries its 50c equivalent.

Remember when they had Region codes on DVD's? That was purely a money grab, wanting to make top dollar in certain countries, while still being able to sell them into poor countries.