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But even that is not morally ambiguous!
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It doesn't rhyme dude.
I don't understand exactly what that means, but it certainly has a negative vibe.........
Late to the convo which I suppose is good because I know f**k all about cars, but I own two V6 Aurions one a 2012 and one a recently purchased Presara 2017 the last ones ever built.
They look like a tricked up Camry but go like the clappers with their Lexus 3.5L engine.
Around 9 litres to a 100k in the city, about 6.5 in the country.
Bland af ( Presara is top of the line with bells and whistles) but every time I test drive another car they feel gutless in comparison.
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They look like a tricked up Camry but go like the clappers with their Lexus 3.5L engine.
Around 9 litres to a 100k in the city, about 6.5 in the country.
Bland af ( Presara is top of the line with bells and whistles) but every time I test drive another car they feel gutless in comparison.
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Someone with contacts there told me the big brands in Europe/Germany were going full stream electric, and it didn't take off like they thought, and now they want to backpeddle somewhat , and they are struggling to get the people who can do it, They had laid off or retired a lot of their Internal Combustion Engine experts.
Toyota were right up on "billboard" power.
200 Killer wasps right?
The 3.5 has 220KW at 6600RPM. - No-one is driving round at 6600RPM , if its auto , you probably need to hold it in gear to get it to rev that hard.
It has peak torque, 350NM at 5500rpm , still fairly fast.
A Barra ( not turbo ) has just 190KW , but its at 5250rpm.
Its peak torque is 391Nm at a lazy 3250RPM.
In between the peak torque and the peak power is the place you "feel " the grunt , but hey Toyota have 220KW so they win.
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The Chinese production is the issue for them as they can create price points that can beat their local ones.
The future of the automobile is 100% going to be electric and people can put all the laugh emojis they want on that concept but the reality is that fossil fuels are a finite resource and eventual cost is going to make them unusable for out energy needs. Internal combustion is still going to be with us for a while yet but the arguments against electric just seem to ignore the writing on the wall that eventually that source is just not going to exist.
Not an MG to be sighted. Germany have the most plug in electric cars in Europe ( as opposed to the highest market share ).
Electric car numbers by brand Germany 2025| Statista
In 2025, most registered electric cars in Germany were from the brand VW.
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This guy explains the UK situation nicely (I think!)
I then looked at a few YouTube pages. Didn’t bother to watch, it is just wall-to-wall, (or rather ‘ceiling-to-floor’) videos about the implosion of e-vehicle sales.
I would contend three things.
1) we don’t know about the hidden costs of e vehicles yet, long term, batteries etc.
2) other technologies, including hybrids etc, ammonia/battery etc, might be in the pipeline
3) look at the world’s usage of coal. Numerous countries have tried to get rid of it and still rely (or relied) on it to get them through. In Japan, the late ‘50s was the time of a big policy switch. Coal to be phased out. Japanese still call it the ‘energy revolution’ and explain away the demise of the domestic coal industry that way. Meanwhile, Japans coal consumption peaked in about 2017**!!!
So not so soon, I would guess.
**Thanks La Trobe Valley, thanks Queensland, thanks Hunter Valley.. you’re welcome.
I then looked at a few YouTube pages. Didn’t bother to watch, it is just wall-to-wall, (or rather ‘ceiling-to-floor’) videos about the implosion of e-vehicle sales.
I would contend three things.
1) we don’t know about the hidden costs of e vehicles yet, long term, batteries etc.
2) other technologies, including hybrids etc, ammonia/battery etc, might be in the pipeline
3) look at the world’s usage of coal. Numerous countries have tried to get rid of it and still rely (or relied) on it to get them through. In Japan, the late ‘50s was the time of a big policy switch. Coal to be phased out. Japanese still call it the ‘energy revolution’ and explain away the demise of the domestic coal industry that way. Meanwhile, Japans coal consumption peaked in about 2017**!!!
So not so soon, I would guess.
**Thanks La Trobe Valley, thanks Queensland, thanks Hunter Valley.. you’re welcome.
I got one as a lease car because all costs are taken pre-tax and there's no FBT.
I absolutely love it. Best car I've ever had. And it's a rocket.
Someone better break the news to these manufacturers because they're all going fully electric.
Jaguar, Audi, Volvo, Rolls Royce, Fiat, Betley, Mercedes, Ford, Volkswagen, Hondo, Hyundai....
Did you actually listen to him?
"Volvo , no longer all electric by 2030 , they are seeing the growing demand for plug in hybrids ".
Volvo teases its next wave of new models including EVs and PHEVs
Volvo has confirmed it has five new or refreshed vehicles coming this year, plus another five next year including the EX60 SUV.
www.carexpert.com.au
-Bentley: " Not any more".
Bentley boss: People want luxury cars with gas engines
Bentley's CEO says luxury buyers still want gas engines, and as a result the automaker will slow down its EV rollout.
The whole article is about these companies backtracking. So someone had better break the news to YOU , a second time, because it didn't sink in the first time.
ICE age far from over: Volkswagen
Combustion era far from over, says Volkswagen CFO; ICE investment to continue
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You obviously didn’t listen to the video.
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Victorians asked to turn off power during high temperatures, but yes let’s of course go full electric lol
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Bring back the 5klm rule I loved it. Seriously live locally and where you can shop locally. It keeps your local shops open and for goodness sake if you can walk to the shops then do so. I wouldn’t do 5,000 klms a year in my car so couldn’t give a rats about it as long as it’s comfortable and reliable.
I appreciate that I’m in a privileged position but seriously it’s the little things like staying local and buying in season fruit and veg that add up without any real downside imo.
I appreciate that I’m in a privileged position but seriously it’s the little things like staying local and buying in season fruit and veg that add up without any real downside imo.
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There seems to be a lot of bias about.
Reminds me of the ‘great’ diesel thing.
Just when the particulate discussion got big, the diesel promos went ballistic and catalytic converters etc.
When people buy or invest they tend to justify themselves by shouting it from the rafters. It ok and understandable.
What scares me much more is hedge funds-types, who buy stock cheap, and then hype a certain tech thing or crypto or whatever, to cause a ‘swell’ of investment so they can sell high.
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What do they win?
The power in the city is moot, can only go 100k and usually only 50 or 60. I love the acceleration in country driving for overtaking. 2012 Aurion has done 180klm without missing a beat, has another 120k in it. The Persara has flash things like a sun roof to give you melanoma while driving, flash seats, bells and whistles and flashy light thinges when other cars invade its personal space. But my main thrill is it has DAB so I can listen to Double J.
Never had either car over 140klm, no need. Still for a standard car, as I said a tricked up Camry with a Lexus engine, it is nice for a non rev head. My brother who is an absolute rev head would be appalled at my lack of knowledge.
Chief, you keeping your mods on their toes?
My central aircon died, its probably just lost gas over a decade or so, but its R22 and no-one wants to touch it.
Means it would take a couple of thousand to buy the gas, and if its a "fast leak" it'll just piss out.
Its a "add on " to the ducted Brivis system, and no-one wants to mess around integrating a new aircon to that sort of system. Got quoted nearly double what the Brivis system cost a decade ago, even re-using the ducts even allowing for a government rebate. Seriously every time there is a government rebate the prices go up.
Planning on selling the house soon, so have to decide whether to sell it without aircon, or install something.
Probably best to let the new owner choose what they want ,so that's 20K off the value of the house.
"We can install split systems mate"
Yeah i can buy my own split systems and get an electrician to install them, i don't need to go to a air conditioning expert for that .
Meanwhile doing my bit to help.
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What do they win? Bragging rights on the advertising.
My point was, the power figures are only a small part of the story.
Most cars have ample power. Something like a Suzuki Jimny is probably one of the slowest. It does 0-100 in 12 seconds, and a top speed of 140km/h. ( even old Beetles went 130-140).
I love the acceleration in City/Suburban driving but i barely get to do it because the guy in front at the lights is accelerating slower than a 1950 VW Beetle.
( they went 0-100 in around 20 seconds, i figure a lot of the traffic hasn't hit 60 or 80 in that time ).
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