Certified Legendary Thread The Random Non Footy Chat Thread - General Non Footy talk

Status
Not open for further replies.

blaze036

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Apr 27, 2011
Posts
19,477
Likes
12,972
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Gumbies FC
I don't think murder is the right example, because that is an area where it is pretty much black and white, a right or wrong.

What if you're tired after a long days work, you've just sat down and an old lady comes up and no one is giving her a seat? What is prompting you to offer her your seat?
A sense of guilt if you don't and endorphins released if you do. It's ultimately a selfish act disguised as a selfless one ;)
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

blaze036

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Apr 27, 2011
Posts
19,477
Likes
12,972
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Gumbies FC
Which is why there should be a greater focus on values education in school.
You won't change human nature with a few classes in schools.

If your wife is angry and you go to buy her flowers, are you getting her flowers to make her life better? Or are you getting her flowers so she isn't angry at you, which makes your own life better? Even selfless acts are based on an inherit selfish desire to feel better
 
Joined
Mar 13, 2011
Posts
36,350
Likes
23,778
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Liverpool
I would give her my seat, it's manners. Older people have weaker bones and less balance and are more likely to fall over or injure themselves on a bus.

What would you do banana?
Yes, it's manners, but manners aren't going to make everyone do the right thing. So how do you convince someone, to do the right thing?


A sense of guilt if you don't and endorphins released if you do. It's ultimately a selfish act disguised as a selfless one ;)
In this scenario, that guilt wouldn't be as everlasting nor would it be profound enough to prompt everyone to give up seats.

There is just as much pleasure out of indulging yourself and being selfish, imo, so how do you convince someone to go out of their way and be selfless?
 

blaze036

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Apr 27, 2011
Posts
19,477
Likes
12,972
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Gumbies FC
Yes, it's manners, but manners aren't going to make everyone do the right thing. So how do you convince someone, to do the right thing?




In this scenario, that guilt wouldn't be as everlasting nor would it be profound enough to prompt everyone to give up seats.

There is just as much pleasure out of indulging yourself and being selfish, imo, so how do you convince someone to go out of their way and be selfless?
Well for some people it would be enough, for others it wouldn't. Which is why only some people give up their seats
 

DinoSoar

Club Legend
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Posts
2,480
Likes
3,799
Location
Outer Fringes
AFL Club
Collingwood
It's more of a matter of education as in children and teenagers being taught, shown and instructed on the behaviour deemed appropriate by the society and culture they live in. Societal norms on what is acceptable is what drives behaviour and these naturally shift and evolve over time. However, that is no excuse for poor and disrespectful attitudes to others and if it is not reinforced in kids when they're young then got no hope when they become adults.
 
Joined
Feb 1, 2013
Posts
9,085
Likes
11,612
Location
Back Home
AFL Club
Collingwood
Moderator #4,410
Which is why there should be a greater focus on values education in school.
It's more the responsibility of parents.
Respect and consideration and thoughtfulness starts in the home.
If I get on a tram I don't expect a man to stand up for me - although it's lovely when he does - but everyone needs to show consideration for the elderly, or pregnant or disabled
What if you're tired after a long days work, you've just sat down and an old lady comes up and no one is giving her a seat? What is prompting you to offer her your seat?
Even though you know how tired you are, you still know she is in more need of the seat than you are.
A sense of guilt if you don't and endorphins released if you do. It's ultimately a selfish act disguised as a selfless one ;)
Yes but endorphins are far more enjoyable than guilt:p
 

DThomas

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Aug 10, 2006
Posts
7,610
Likes
2,640
Location
The Third Stone from the Sun
AFL Club
Collingwood
I don't think murder is the right example, because that is an area where it is pretty much black and white, a right or wrong.

What if you're tired after a long days work, you've just sat down and an old lady comes up and no one is giving her a seat? What is prompting you to offer her your seat?
Manners and a general desire to do something for the good of others. This is actually a pet peeve of mine. When the train or bus is overcrowded and a pregnant lady or an old person is standing up and nobody will let them sit down when these people clearly don't need to be sitting, it really, really annoys me (I'm standing up in this situation, otherwise I'd offer my seat). Just think about how you'd feel if you were in their situation.

That's a good thing to remember: whenever you feel like being a dick to somebody, just put yourself in their position for a second and you will almost certainly see the situation differently. If more people were more empathetic, then the world would be a better place. It's pretty simple really. Treat others how you would want to be treated.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Quicky

Premium Platinum
Joined
May 27, 2008
Posts
19,460
Likes
17,619
Location
Wherever I May Roam
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Socceroos, Melbourne Victory
I've offered up my seat to old people before and got the indignant "why, do you think I'm old!" response haha. They were btw. I kept offering up my seat though. Although I don't have the need to take public transport much anymore. The best I get to do these days is help people get hard to reach goods off the top shelf at the supermarket.
 

Quicky

Premium Platinum
Joined
May 27, 2008
Posts
19,460
Likes
17,619
Location
Wherever I May Roam
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Socceroos, Melbourne Victory
Literally just came home from buying the book.

I bought Hunger Games too, thought I'd quickly jump on the bandwagon before the train passes by.
Yeah I bought this the other day so I could watch it before seeing the sequel at the movies. I really liked it. I know some people found the idea of kids killing each other really confronting. I just chuckled a lot :oops: I was in good company though so probably didn't help.
 

DThomas

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Aug 10, 2006
Posts
7,610
Likes
2,640
Location
The Third Stone from the Sun
AFL Club
Collingwood
Never seen The Hunger Games before, but it sounds like a bit of a rip-off of the classic '80s Arnold Schwarzenegger cheesey action film 'The Running Man'. "I hope you leave enough room for my fist, because I'm going to ram it into your stomach and break your goddamn spine!":D:thumbsu:

Holy crap, the whole thing is on YouTube! How awesome is that?!

Action movies don't get better than Arnold Schwarzenegger flicks. The king!:thumbsu:
 
Joined
Mar 13, 2011
Posts
36,350
Likes
23,778
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Liverpool
Yeah I bought this the other day so I could watch it before seeing the sequel at the movies. I really liked it. I know some people found the idea of kids killing each other really confronting. I just chuckled a lot :oops: I was in good company though so probably didn't help.
Which cover did you get?

I ended up buying this cover



But I really wanted a cover like this



Bloody hell. I asked the lady if there was a different cover, she spent like 5-10 minutes on the phone, told me this was the only cover you could get. Well no ******* it isnt!!!!

Not sure if I should go and return it.....
 

Quicky

Premium Platinum
Joined
May 27, 2008
Posts
19,460
Likes
17,619
Location
Wherever I May Roam
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Socceroos, Melbourne Victory
Which cover did you get?

I ended up buying this cover



But I really wanted a cover like this



Bloody hell. I asked the lady if there was a different cover, she spent like 5-10 minutes on the phone, told me this was the only cover you could get. Well no ******* it isnt!!!!

Not sure if I should go and return it.....
Oh I bought the dvd not the book. I'm keen to read the books though.

I long ago stopped trusting what retail people tell you. It's usually linked to what suppliers they have. If they're supplier doesn't have the cover you ask for (or title or whatever) you get told it doesn't exist. Well nah just because your supplier doesn't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It pays to do some research before you buy.
 

DinoSoar

Club Legend
Joined
Sep 30, 2013
Posts
2,480
Likes
3,799
Location
Outer Fringes
AFL Club
Collingwood
The different covers are a bit like what was done with the Harry Potter books - there are the original covers for when the books were released for their target audience of early teens but when the series took off with the movie deals new (more "mature") covers were also released so that adults wouldn't feel embarassed reading them when out in public and on the train, etc.

Never bothered me what covers are on the books, my kids started reading the Hunger Games trilogy and said how great the books were so I read them all as well. It's kind of like Survivor on steroids with a very dark message about power and oppression packaged in way that is suitable for early teens. Well worth reading and the movies are great as well!

Now looking forward to the next installment of the Hobbit after Christmas - can't beat the post Christmas movie blockbuster tradition. :thumbsu:
 
Joined
Feb 1, 2013
Posts
9,085
Likes
11,612
Location
Back Home
AFL Club
Collingwood
Moderator #4,422
Yeah I bought this the other day so I could watch it before seeing the sequel at the movies. I really liked it. I know some people found the idea of kids killing each other really confronting. I just chuckled a lot :oops: I was in good company though so probably didn't help.
The books are really entertaining.
'can't put them down' type.

the films are good but the books are way better:)
 

Obese Arachnid

Supercoach Board Enthusiast
Joined
Jan 11, 2008
Posts
16,944
Likes
47,477
Location
Dirty Boulevard
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
There are no other teams.
The books are really entertaining.
'can't put them down' type.

the films are good but the books are way better:)
It's pretty much always the case. Tom Clancy novels blow the films out of the water.

Hunt for Red October survives as a film on it's own because you have Sean Connery captivating the screen & it's his shortest novel he's ever done. Therefore much easier stay truer to the fillum.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom