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Also this is also a candidate for our flag. I'd support it.

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Just get rid of the Union Jack and we're done.
 
You would think the African nations that got independance post WWII woild have used some black but their must be some convention.

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I've always liked the basis of our coat of arms replacing the Union Jack with some modifications eg. have the Union Jack and Aboriginal flag on the shield to represent our history and the indigenous , plus I like how the Kangaroo and Emu are native to Australia and symbolic because neither animal can move backward, only forward symbolising progress of us as a nation who wont take a backwards step ...though electing Abbott as PM:eek::rolleyes:;)
 

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The funny thing is, the Kiwi's are far more Anglophiled than Australia is. They didn't have the post war Continental European migration that Australia had and therefore are very much more British in their heritage and in many ways outlook. Hell, due to the rainfall, scenically, NZ even looks like the UK.

NZ are exponentially more in tune with their indigenous roots and autonomy, however, compared to Australia. So they have that going for them.

NZ like Australia have about 1/4 of their population born O's. After WWII they had a big immigration intake, they took Greeks, Italian, Yugoslavs but in not as bigger numbers as Oz and went for northern Europeans. There was some immigration deal with the Netherlands government - I think it tied in with all those Dutch who were involved with Indonesia and the Pacific but also immigrates from the Netherlands. They also went for more Austrians, Danes, Swiz, Germans, Polish etc than Oz did. So their immigrants physically blended in more with the British base of their population. Plus Maori's made up 10-15% of their population post war whereas Oz Aboriginies have been in the 2-4% in post WWII years and weren't officially counted in the census before 1967.

The two big difference with NZ and Oz immigration, they have a lot bigger % of Scots in their British Isles intake, and as the Maori influence and reintergration into the main stream culture in the late 1960's and 1970's happened they started having a preference towards Pacific Island countries migration - Samoa, Tongo, Fiji, Solomon Islands, etc into their intake.
 
We are called vexillologist's :).
Black flags are uncommon in Western countries because the red white and blue is often the symbol of the blood, race and sky/sea. There are plenty of black images and black on some older flags but a majority doesn't make sense (Germany's modern and pre war flags for example).

To use black as a battle standard, the role for which flags are intended, also defeats the purpose as they would be difficult to see in bad light, particularly if being used as a jack. Black flags are also used as the opposite to white flags, a signal that there will be no surrender nor quarter given (Genghis Khan established this usage).

So given pirates aren't really that big a deal these days, Genghis Khan attitudes have diminished, would it be a really radical step if the Kiwis chose a black flag with a silver/white fern on it??
 
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I've always liked the basis of our coat of arms replacing the Union Jack with some modifications eg. have the Union Jack and Aboriginal flag on the shield to represent our history and the indigenous , plus I like how the Kangaroo and Emu are native to Australia and symbolic because neither animal can move backward, only forward symbolising progress of us as a nation who wont take a backwards step ...though electing Abbott as PM:eek::rolleyes:;)

I am an equal opportunity offender.
 
In terms of flag design etc. It is VERY shit.

A good Australian style is like that of the NT.
The current flag is shit, but almost every other design has been worse. If someone comes up with a good design (i.e. no Union Jack and no Aboriginal flag in there somewhere) I'd be happy to change it, but until then meh.
 
Lets all not be so naive to think that if we ever change our flag it will not have the aboriginal flag adorned on it somewhere. By saying that I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with it, just facing reality.
 
Southern Cross portion of current flag.

This country has always been under those stars no matter who has lived here or when.

But asap jack off whatever happens.
 

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