Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Doctor Feel]

raft made of rafters packed to the rafters with rastafarians narrated by pat rafter, musical score by Rafter.

 

[tribey]

When advertisements for prescription drugs and medication in the USA are legal, and when you get snake oil salesman like Dr Oz in prime time TV, it's not as far-fetched as it sounds to some people to believe that doctors are shills for 'Big Pharma' companies, because some are. There's no hiding that. I can understand the skepticism of that. But to completely ignore every single shred of evidence in favour of vaccines and cry out "but muh autism" and to ignore the billions (if not trillions) of dollars poured into medical research and the like is ******* bullshit.

Wonder how many anti-vaxers get their dogs vax'd and their kids not.

Sure, but that rings true for any industry vis-a-vis poor practice versus mainstream practice.

Airlines, food safety, car recalls. We do all of these things - fly, eat, drive - accepting (or ignoring) the minuscule risk we'll end up injured or dead. Yet when it comes to vaccines it's a huge profiteering conspiracy to inject our children with arse-rabies, "I've done my research" at Google Uni, etc.

 

[proman_x]

For every one of these articles, there's about 1000 saying the opposite. It's inevitable that the prevalence of autism will increase as our ability to diagnose milder forms of the condition continually improves. The mechanisms causing autism are poorly understood (if at all) and many autistic people aren't diagnosed, but even still, for people to suggest there's a relationship with vaccination is just fantasy at this stage.

There have been severe reactions to certain vaccines but in almost every example, there has been a resultant shift in how and when the vaccine is administered and/or a change in the composition of the vaccine. This really isn't any different to most pharmaceuticals on the market.

So you are admitting there has been issues with vaccines ? But basically they have either changed the vaccine or administered it in a different format. When those vaccines were allowed on the market they would have been originally deemed "safe" but they caused severe issues with SOME geno types, not 98% of the people but say just 2%. As I stated on my original post. I would still vaccinate my child as I think overall the risk is much higher for other potential life threatening diseases to occur if I did not.

To call someone a screwball (not saying you did) for believing something different from the masses starts getting a little self pretentious. You, me, raman, etc. have the right to believe what we want to believe, wether it is correct or not is another story.

I was simply saying. You can not howl down those that want to believe what they do. There maybe 1000 to 1 against but there are still risks and or links associated. Stating it is fantasy is incorrect.

If most people really knew that in general many pharmaceuticals have severe risks attached to them, many probably would be seeking more natural alternatives. It probably explains why so many GP's now are also doing naturopathic studies. When we were kids that was basically as rare as rocking horse shit. There has to be a reason for it. It is up to the individual to make that choice. I have no rite to tell someone else how and when they should be medicated. That is just my view.


Government will probably legislate that either you vaccinate or your child or you will not be allowed into schools or day care centres etc. Again I have no issue with that, but some may. A lot more home schooling will probably start if they do. Many have the belief that most diseases are present because nutrition is a major issue or due to the overload of chemicals being used. When we look at general diets these days and how nutrition in our food has dramatically reduced over the last 60 odd years there could possibly be something in that.

Edit... When I first started learning about soil and soil biology, micro biology, etc (25 years ago). People like Dr. Elaine Ingham were howled down for even imagining there were direct correlations between soil health and soil biology or when she stated there were over 200,000 species of Bacteria in good compost or 30,000 species of Fungi in good compost. Many of those same people who tried to prove her wrong are now saying its closer to 400,00 to 500,000 and 100,000 + Fungi. We run a real risk of not moving ahead with science if we close our minds and call people crack pots, etc. Wether I agree or disagree I still keep an open mind.

 

[I Dont Care]

raft made of rafters packed to the rafters with rastafarians narrated by pat rafter, musical score by Rafter.

Is Wilson on the raft?

 

[raman]

oh lawd

 

[I Dont Care]

Sure, but that rings true for any industry vis-a-vis poor practice versus mainstream practice.

Airlines, food safety, car recalls. We do all of these things - fly, eat, drive - accepting (or ignoring) the minuscule risk we'll end up injured or dead. Yet when it comes to vaccines it's a huge profiteering conspiracy to inject our children with arse-rabies, "I've done my research" at Google Uni, etc.

Arse-rabies is a terrible disease that has yet to be wiped out in some parts of the community

 

[proman_x]

I hope the same hesitation doesn't go into their feeding. Yeah sure he/she's skeletal but 'hey, no allergies!'.

Feeding ?

 

[Doctor Feel]

So you are admitting there has been issues with vaccines ? But basically they have either changed the vaccine or administered it in a different format. When those vaccines were allowed on the market they would have been originally deemed "safe" but they caused severe issues with SOME geno types, not 98% of the people but say just 2%. As I stated on my original post. I would still vaccinate my child as I think overall the risk is much higher for other potential life threatening diseases to occur if I did not.

To call someone a screwball (not saying you did) for believing something different from the masses starts getting a little self pretentious. You, me, raman, etc. have the right to believe what we want to believe, wether it is correct or not is another story.

I was simply saying. You can not howl down those that want to believe what they do. There maybe 1000 to 1 against but there are still risks and or links associated. Stating it is fantasy is incorrect.

If most people really knew that in general many pharmaceuticals have severe risks attached to them, many probably would be seeking more natural alternatives. It probably explains why so many GP's now are also doing naturopathic studies. When we were kids that was basically as rare as rocking horse shit. There has to be a reason for it. It is up to the individual to make that choice. I have no rite to tell someone else how and when they should be medicated. That is just my view.


Government will probably legislate that either you vaccinate or your child or you will not be allowed into schools or day care centres etc. Again I have no issue with that, but some may. A lot more home schooling will probably start if they do. Many have the belief that most diseases are present because nutrition is a major issue or due to the overload of chemicals being used. When we look at general diets these days and how nutrition in our food has dramatically reduced over the last 60 odd years there could possibly be something in that.

Edit... When I first started learning about soil and soil biology, micro biology, etc (25 years ago). People like Dr. Elaine Ingham were howled down for even imagining there were direct correlations between soil health and soil biology or when she stated there were over 200,000 species of Bacteria in good compost or 30,000 species of Fungi in good compost. Many of those same people who tried to prove her wrong are now saying its closer to 400,00 to 500,000 and 100,000 + Fungi. We run a real risk of not moving ahead with science if we close our minds and call people crack pots, etc. Wether I agree or disagree I still keep an open mind.

 

[tribey]

If most people really knew that in general many pharmaceuticals have severe risks attached to them, many probably would be seeking more natural alternatives.

Uranium is a natural alternative.

Crude Oil is a natural alternative.

Asbestos is a natural alternative.

 

[Byrons Firen]

How is that over 52,000 with all those spaces??

Tut tut now, the important objective here is to surpass Ports crowd v Carlton.
The empty spaces might suggest to an objective observer that a record crowd was not achieved.
A quick phone call from Daniels to Olsen and Whicker and voila coup done.

 

[proman_x]

Sure, but that rings true for any industry vis-a-vis poor practice versus mainstream practice.

Airlines, food safety, car recalls. We do all of these things - fly, eat, drive - accepting (or ignoring) the minuscule risk we'll end up injured or dead. Yet when it comes to vaccines it's a huge profiteering conspiracy to inject our children with arse-rabies, "I've done my research" at Google Uni, etc.

Agreed but we make that choice to drive, fly, eat, etc. Again it comes down to personal choice. Reality is anything we do has a risk factor, no one escapes from that and it is apart of life! If there was no risk it would be a boring place to live I guess

 

[Doctor Feel]

my local naturopath:

 

[raman]

Agreed but we make that choice to drive, fly, eat, etc. Again it comes down to personal choice. Reality is anything we do has a risk factor, no one escapes from that and it is apart of life! If there was no risk it would be a boring place to live I guess

Therefore vaccines probably cause autism.

 

[proman_x]

Uranium is a natural alternative.

Crude Oil is a natural alternative.

Asbestos is a natural alternative.

yep as is arsenic, rhubarb and mushrooms its all in the moderation and usage.

 

[tribey]

Agreed but we make that choice to drive, fly, eat, etc. Again it comes down to personal choice. Reality is anything we do has a risk factor, no one escapes from that and it is apart of life! If there was no risk it would be a boring place to live I guess

"Personal choice" has long since been off the table when it comes to the rights of the child and health of the child.

I don't have the "personal choice" to beat my child with an iron bar, or sexually assault my child, or force my child to drink alcohol, or stop my child from going to an accredited school and so on.

Choosing to not vaccinate your child - which also puts other vulnerable groups at risk (newborns, elderly, the immunosupressed, those allergic to materials in vaccines) - should come under that banner. This "personal choice" bollocks makes it sound as if you're not a fan of corn on the cob and therefore you're choosing not to feed it to your kids either.

 

[proman_x]

my local naturopath:

LOL you visit the same one as me

 

[I Dont Care]

my local naturopath:

Ah...good ol' Doctor Rubumba and his enema horn

 

[tribey]

Edit... When I first started learning about soil and soil biology, micro biology, etc (25 years ago). People like Dr. Elaine Ingham were howled down for even imagining there were direct correlations between soil health and soil biology or when she stated there were over 200,000 species of Bacteria in good compost or 30,000 species of Fungi in good compost. Many of those same people who tried to prove her wrong are now saying its closer to 400,00 to 500,000 and 100,000 + Fungi. We run a real risk of not moving ahead with science if we close our minds and call people crack pots, etc. Wether I agree or disagree I still keep an open mind.

But that's the very nature of science!

Theories are tested, trials are undertaken, findings are peer-reviewed and the knowledge base increases.

Vaccine safety has evolved in a similar manner, except the anti-vax 'crackpots' you're championing won't accept the repeated findings that VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM (the theory of which was based on falsified information in the first place).

 

[I Dont Care]

"Personal choice" has long since been off the table when it comes to the rights of the child and health of the child.

I don't have the "personal choice" to beat my child with an iron bar, or sexually assault my child, or force my child to drink alcohol, or stop my child from going to an accredited school and so on.

Choosing to not vaccinate your child - which also puts other vulnerable groups at risk (newborns, elderly, the immunosupressed, those allergic to materials in vaccines) - should come under that banner. This "personal choice" bollocks makes it sound as if you're not a fan of corn on the cob and therefore you're choosing not to feed it to your kids either.

I didn't like brussel sprouts and if my kids wanted it, well they wouldn't have bought lollies instead

 

[proman_x]

"Personal choice" has long since been off the table when it comes to the rights of the child and health of the child.

I don't have the "personal choice" to beat my child with an iron bar, or sexually assault my child, or force my child to drink alcohol, or stop my child from going to an accredited school and so on.

Choosing to not vaccinate your child - which also puts other vulnerable groups at risk (newborns, elderly, the immunosuppressed, those allergic to materials in vaccines) - should come under that banner. This "personal choice" bollocks makes it sound as if you're not a fan of corn on the cob and therefore you're choosing not to feed it to your kids either.

Did I say I agreed with them ? No. How do you make someone do something. Pass a law but does it work ? No. I am saying I can understand peoples suspicions, rightly or wrongly. My child is vaccinated so therefore as a responsible member of society I have played my role. What others do is there choice, what the repercussions are from those actions is another matter.

 

[proman_x]

But that's the very nature of science!

Theories are tested, trials are undertaken, findings are peer-reviewed and the knowledge base increases.

Vaccine safety has evolved in a similar manner, except the anti-vax 'crackpots' you're championing won't accept the repeated findings that VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM (the theory of which was based on falsified information in the first place).

Championing ????? Where have I champed them ? I simply posted some possible links that's it. Did I say DONT IMMUNISE cause they are all evil bastards and it causes autism ? Come on tribey. If you actually read my original post. I stated that most of the papers I read was talking more about the heavy metals and pre disposed Genetic aspects.

 

[proman_x]

Therefore vaccines probably cause autism.

If you say so

 

[Doctor Feel]

brett kirk immunises his children with his heart, his thought and his energy.

 

[tribey]

Championing ????? Where have I champed them ? I simply posted some possible links that's it. Did I say DONT IMMUNISE cause they are all evil bastards and it causes autism ? Come on tribey. If you actually read my original post. I stated that most of the papers I read was talking more about the heavy metals and pre disposed Genetic aspects.

From what I have seen and read, there is more then enough studies showing possible links.

From what I have seen and read, there is more then enough studies showing possible links.

From what I have seen and read, there is more then enough studies showing possible links.

There are not.

By perpetuating these myths you are giving oxygen to the anti-vaccination movement and therefore championing their cause. This isn't a philosophical debate - "ah well, agree to disagree LOL"/"each to their own *wink*" - this is a growing movement, predicated on lies and junk science, that puts the very health of the public at risk.

The dark side of the internet isn't pr0n, or even how to make explosives using the stuff under your sink, it's the fact it's being used as a conduit for idiots to metastasise their idiocy at the expense of those most at risk.

 

[Powerstufff]

... it comes down to personal choice ...

Not for a newborn child, or that same child for some years down the line. Their being left unimmunised is not their choice.