Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[I Dont Care]

That money isn't disappearing into thin air. philthy's creating many more jobs that have actual social impact.

So people working in manufacturing are going to miraculously become police officers, nurses and teachers? Adelaide wins defence contracts because it's manufacturing industries are geared towards technology, that is where South Australia needs billions invested

 

[edgie]

Yeah I'm going to stop discussing this with you edgie, because you're being reduced down to the most finicky possible reasons not to help people and families whose lives are on the line; as far as I can tell, the jist of your reduced argument is `if we can't do it instantly in ten minutes, we shouldn't try'.

Yeah, it might take time for everything to be perfect & working (like any major project), but if we don't start projects like this, we won't finish them either, which I guess is what you're angling for - its more comforting to blame logistics than to acknowledge what shit humans many Australians are on these issues.

I live somewhere that's been flagged as a potential settlement location. We have a public housing waiting list a mile long, a water shortage crisis, and a council that couldn't turn a profit selling roots in a brothel on shore leave. There's no longer a government housing contractor in the region, yet MPs have said yes, we will do it, despite failing to address concerns that, simply put, there's housing and no water and no money. Sometimes it is logistics. I also live in what I believe to be one the most diverse and tolerant communities in Australia, that has welcomed immigrants and minorities for over a hundred years with open arms.

These people need help now, we need a better plan now. That's what I'm arguing and what I'm yet to hear from anybody.

 

[demon inda sack]

So people working in manufacturing are going to miraculously become police officers, nurses and teachers? Adelaide wins defence contracts because it's manufacturing industries are geared towards technology, that is where South Australia needs billions invested

Manufacturing is dying here mate cheaper to build else where. What service to humanity does that submarine have?

 

[CrimsonRaven]

Australia is no longer a manufacturers countriy. It cost way to much because everyone in Australia wants to get paid good money for low skill work.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Australia is no longer a manufacturers countriy. It cost way to much because everyone in Australia wants to get paid good money for low skill work.

#unions

Thread is too serious.

 

[philthy05]

So people working in manufacturing are going to miraculously become police officers, nurses and teachers? Adelaide wins defence contracts because it's manufacturing industries are geared towards technology, that is where South Australia needs billions invested

We spend billions of dollars on crap , more then half of which is money being sent overseas and is obsolete almost immediately ...


My post was basically saying that if you're argument is that we can't afford to help ourselves before helping refugees i saying we have the money to help ourselves already. We are just spending it wrong.

160 billion for defense ?

I'm less interested in our military being armed with rockets and tanks and fighter jets and helicopters and armoury out the waa zoo that we pay billions for and more interested in utilising the skills we have in that huge trained workforce that could be doing better work. If the Australian defense force's mandate is to protect the Australian people I would say that health concerns and lack of proper access to clean water and medical concerns and cancer and heart disease are killing Australians. More Australians have probably died from some unbelievable obscure accident then to some dangerous enemy.

I would argue that 10 less helicopters with serious firepower and stealth technology that won't be worth sfa in 1 years time when technology moves anyway costing 3 billion would be better spent on schools , hospitals, nurses , research , police and infrastructure. I would bet both my nuts that the latter would create more jobs , even for manufacturing here....

The arms race has been the biggest fleecing of governments since the invention of the politician.

How many machines have been built , sold , delivered , with people trained on them only to have the 'enemy' develop counter technology that has rendered them useless immediately.


Even if there are new wars coming they will be fought in new ways..

In times when a single bomb can destroy cities , and Countries fates rest on the strength of their dollar and economy new wars could be fought through subterfuge and hacking. Hell , in a lot of cases it doesn't even serve a country to screw up another country if their economies are so closely linked as to cause something like another global recession ..

You would be better served spending less money on missiles and more on the smartest programmers and the like you can get thinking about defense in a new way.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Sure is a current affair in here.

 

[philthy05]

Australia is no longer a manufacturers countriy. It cost way to much because everyone in Australia wants to get paid good money for low skill work.

Really?


My yearly pay rate is approximately 1/6th the the cost of a house outright. But of course no one has the ability to buy a house outright. To buy an average house will likely cost me somewhere around 14 times my yearly salary when you factor in loan repayments.

I would bet the numbers were more like 1/3 and 1/6 maybe 1/7 at worst when my father was looking to buy a house.


It has absolutely nothing to do with low skill workers wanting too much money. I would happily go back to 1985 wages if we can go back to 1985 and buy petrol for 0.70 cents , and a house for less then 65 grand.


There are a myriad of reasons why we are no longer a manufacturing country , but the leading one is because of corporate greed , not worker greed. If a company can move its manufacturing to a lower 2nd world country , where labour is dirt cheap and increase profits from 2.1 billion , to 3.2 billion they make the move.

Corporate men in ties get six figure sums , slaps on the back and a nice golden handshake even if things do turn to shit for the company.

I heard on the news that Telstra are down sizing their local workforce again. Between the mobile phone boom and Internet in the last 20 years I can't think of a company who has had a better run and they must be absolutely f - ing minted and for the life of me every bloody time I listen to the radio they are again down sizing their workforce ... None of it has sfa to do with the demands of the local workforce being too much. If Telstra can add another zero to their books in the plus column it over rides absolutely any other consideration. I probably pay more tax then Telstra does ffs.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I live somewhere that's been flagged as a potential settlement location. We have a public housing waiting list a mile long, a water shortage crisis, and a council that couldn't turn a profit selling roots in a brothel on shore leave. There's no longer a government housing contractor in the region, yet MPs have said yes, we will do it, despite failing to address concerns that, simply put, there's housing and no water and no money. Sometimes it is logistics. I also live in what I believe to be one the most diverse and tolerant communities in Australia, that has welcomed immigrants and minorities for over a hundred years with open arms.

These people need help now, we need a better plan now. That's what I'm arguing and what I'm yet to hear from anybody.

The simple answer is, that if we took the money we are spending on the current solution and spent it on community processing, we'd have a lot of money left over to deal with any impact on the wider community.

Not only are we doing it the cruelest possible way, we're doing it just about as expensively as we possibly can. The current model is only in place because the Coalition decided it would be easy to buy votes by fearmongering about brown people and then acting as if there was some sort of crisis that had to be solved. The Rudd Labor government went one step further to try to squash the issue politically instead of doing the right thing by Australia and by the refugees, and now because nobody wants to back down we have bipartisan support for an incredibly cruel and expensive solution to a made up problem.

We could start with basic community processing, just like just about everywhere else in the world. That would help these people now, and save money. What doesn't help them is trying to turn them away by making conditions for them as bad as they were in the country they are running from.

 

[charcolechaddy]

We fly in workers to do unskilled labor yet we wont settle refugees to do the work.

 

[scottjr]

Followed a Tesla out of adelaide airport this morning. 1st one that I've seen in Adelaide found myself stalking it. Cars do nothing for me as a rule but it's different.

 

[chiwigi]

Don't know where the 'hobo' description developed from? As I wrote, they generally have money. My family who were refugees had money, they escaped the Nazi's and the Communists to get to Australia...my father was definitely not a hobo, nor was my grandfather

C'Arn pick a side!

 

[Steve Dore]

Did till the birds moved in

Insect pressure killed off the Ord River cotton industry. The cost of spraying got too high.

If you are going to grow a water intensive crop like cotton in Australia then a river where the majority of its flow just goes straight out to sea is the best place for it. I believe that the Dept of Ag are trying to get the industry going again using GM varieties.

 

[Steve Dore]

Followed a Tesla out of adelaide airport this morning. 1st one that I've seen in Adelaide found myself stalking it. Cars do nothing for me as a rule but it's different.

My sister-in-law's boss drives one in Adelaide. Only one I have seen here.

It puts itself away in the garage.

 

[scottjr]

My sister-in-law's boss drives one in Adelaide. Only one I have seen here.

It puts itself away in the garage.

This one had Victoria number plates zip zap. [emoji4]

 

[Triple E]

Sure is a current affair in here.

Just wait for the debate on religion to start in about 2 pages

 

[Jonts]

Just build bullet trains already

Workforce is required and does huge amounts For the economy, and allows for affordable home ownership in rural areas and also being within 1hr of the closest cbd

 

[SgtSchulz]

The shutting down of Holden was an ideological decision not a pragmatic decision. The cost of removing those jobs will be far greater than the cost of subsidising them.

They should build 12 frigates and 12 subs in port adelaide. And while they are at it build the QE3.

 

[Trewth]

Legal cannabis would do wonders for the SA economy

 

[LukeSA]

Followed a Tesla out of adelaide airport this morning. 1st one that I've seen in Adelaide found myself stalking it. Cars do nothing for me as a rule but it's different.

There is one quite often parked on the top level of the carpark at Adelaide airport.

 

[chiwigi]

Legal cannabis would do wonders for the SA economy

Criminalisation of drug users is the biggest criminal act in history and one day will be seen as such.

 

[chiwigi]

There is one quite often parked on the top level of the carpark at Adelaide airport.

Run out of battery.

 

[LukeSA]

Run out of battery.

Probably, it used all it's juice getting up there.

 

[edgie]

The simple answer is, that if we took the money we are spending on the current solution and spent it on community processing, we'd have a lot of money left over to deal with any impact on the wider community.

Not only are we doing it the cruelest possible way, we're doing it just about as expensively as we possibly can. The current model is only in place because the Coalition decided it would be easy to buy votes by fearmongering about brown people and then acting as if there was some sort of crisis that had to be solved. The Rudd Labor government went one step further to try to squash the issue politically instead of doing the right thing by Australia and by the refugees, and now because nobody wants to back down we have bipartisan support for an incredibly cruel and expensive solution to a made up problem.

We could start with basic community processing, just like just about everywhere else in the world. That would help these people now, and save money. What doesn't help them is trying to turn them away by making conditions for them as bad as they were in the country they are running from.

I don't disagree with any of that, because its a more practical post than "let them in and they will build kt"



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[raman]

Criminalisation of drug users is the biggest criminal act in history and one day will be seen as such.

It's not like we have a perfect microcosm of an example in 1920s USA or anything.