Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Portia]

Forget it, Portia, you're out of your element!

I'm following all the rules of vexillology you A-grade design nerd

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Maybe we could thwart the bogans, racists & unions if we shifted the Southern Cross just a bit and went with a red background as a callback to previous Australian flags, kept the crossyness of the Union Jack, and added a couple of stars?

Perfect.

You go Trumpster.

 

[Steve Dore]

Maybe we could thwart the bogans, racists & unions if we shifted the Southern Cross just a bit and went with a red background as a callback to previous Australian flags, kept the crossyness of the Union Jack, and added a couple of stars?

Perfect.

Queue banjos

 

[Steve Dore]

The collar and cuffs too

These important details are being overlooked while people worry about the colours.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

If we ever do change the flag I bet the best idea will come from some 8 year old kid doodling in a classroom somewhere as opposed to the Dylan-esque design nerds.

 

[Steve Dore]

If we ever do change the flag I bet the best idea will come from some 8 year old kid doodling in a classroom somewhere as opposed to the Dylan-esque design nerds.

It will be designed by a committee and it will be an abomination due largely to the efforts made to appease as many minority groups as possible.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Because we do? I've clearly outlined examples of major codes and events that have? I'm saying really obvious things that we know be true like they're questions?

No, you provided 2 examples, one of which was due to a clash, and one of which was a one off for an event where strange and obscure colours and designs are encouraged. I'm pretty sure we wore ochre at one opening ceremony.

It's just a dumb argument. Saying you don't like green and gold is fine, but trying to argue that Australian sport is actively trying to move away from it because it's terrible is completely wrong and ridiculous.

And South Africa's

Yep, and about 150 countries use combinations of blue, red and white.

 

[TeeKray]

My feeling about United is it feels too Crowey, too many they're goers. Victory feels like a club....and has the best shirt!

Tldr: I've managed to justify to myself that I can support Victory.

Seriously mate, support anyone else. Newcastle Jets sing NTUA before games, support them. Anyone but those campaigners.

 

[Portia]

No, you provided 2 examples, one of which was due to a clash, and one of which was a one off for an event where strange and obscure colours and designs are encouraged. I'm pretty sure we wore ochre at one opening ceremony.

It's just a dumb argument. Saying you don't like green and gold is fine, but trying to argue that Australian sport is actively trying to move away from it because it's terrible is completely wrong and ridiculous.

Its a dumb argument to be presented with examples of Australia choosing blue over green and gold and try to pretend that it doesn't count when they did.

High status events & sports have done this, it really doesn't get much bigger than soccer, AFL & the Olympics, so if you wanna pretend thats nothing, yeah good on you because you just entered into muppet territory.

Yep, and about 150 countries use combinations of blue, red and white.

When is the last time you saw the USA wear something other than red, white or blue? Or Canada shift from red & white to a brand new colour?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Just follow the A-League casually and don't force yourself to get attached to teams that aren't interesting enough to get attached to.

If you've fallen for the Victory then that's fine.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Polec is answering questions sent through on FB.

Someone ask him about the buses

 

[chiwigi]

Seriously mate, support anyone else. Newcastle Jets sing NTUA before games, support them. Anyone but those campaigners.

Victory or Death!
**** some shitty provincial club that I will never travel to watch!

 

[Garibaldi Red]

A mate had a great tshirt back in the day.

The aussie flag as it currently is minus the Union Jack with the words.

Jack Off written underneath.

I have a picture somewhere from an Ashes Test in the early 80's (I think) displaying a flag with exactly that written on it. I kept the photo because me and a few mates are sitting right in front of it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Its a dumb argument to be presented with examples of Australia choosing blue over green and gold and try to pretend that it doesn't count when they did.

High status events & sports have done this, it really doesn't get much bigger than soccer, AFL & the Olympics, so if you wanna pretend thats nothing, yeah good on you because you just entered into muppet territory.

The AFL use blue for international rules ONLY because Ireland wear green and orange and a clash would occur, so they wear white based kits and we wear blue based kits. Surely that's obvious enough.

The Olympics aren't nothing, they are the pinnacle of sport. Which is why the second after the opening ceremony finished (in 2008, the one time we've worn blue at the opening ceremony), and we took off our obscure one off pieces of fashion designed purely to generate interest, and put on the green and gold colours we competed in and are synonymous with our country.

Just have a gander during the upcoming Olympics at what colours the Australian athletes are wearing, and if anything more than the trim consists of any blue at all, i'll totally concede.

When is the last time you saw the USA wear something other than red, white or blue? Or Canada shift from red & white to a brand new colour?

Canada at the 1992 Barcelona games opening ceremony

Clearly, clearly, the Canadian officials realised that red and white sucks and were actively trying to push this look as the new national colours, right Portia?

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

It will be designed by a committee and it will be an abomination due largely to the efforts made to appease as many minority groups as possible.

It would turn into a complete head**** which would make this seem appealing

 

[El_Scorcho]

And here's Germany at the 2014 Sochi Olympics, with the country clearly moving away from white, black, red and gold in an attempt to change the national colours to sky blue and yellow because nobody likes the old colours.

 

[Portia]

The AFL use blue for international rules ONLY because Ireland wear green and orange and a clash would occur, so they wear white based kits and we wear blue based kits. Surely that's obvious enough.

How would Australia wearing gold vs Ireland's green and white (what they actually wear for International Rules) be problematic exactly?

 

[Portia]

And here's Germany at the 2014 Sochi Olympics, with the country clearly moving away from white, black, red and gold in an attempt to change the national colours to sky blue and yellow because nobody likes the old colours.

Even they add ochre & blue to the green and gold.

 

[El_Scorcho]

How would Australia wearing gold vs Ireland's green and white (what they actually wear for International Rules) be problematic exactly?

I don't know. I'd set the look of the IR series up totally differently if it were up to me.

My guess is that both teams wanted to wear a Green kit with gold trim, but since that would clash, they decided to pick a tertiary colour each and trim the kits with the national colours.

But ultimately, you're talking about one single sport which is a relatively obscure and unpopular sideshow at international level and ignoring literally every other sport where we wear green and gold. In the time that we've been wearing blue based IR kits, it hasn't caught on to a single other sport.

 

[Portia]

I don't know. I'd set the look of the IR series up totally differently if it were up to me.

My guess is that both teams wanted to wear a Green kit with gold trim, but since that would clash, they decided to pick a tertiary colour each and trim the kits with the national colours.

But ultimately, you're talking about one single sport which is a relatively obscure and unpopular sideshow at international level and ignoring literally every other sport where we wear green and gold. In the time that we've been wearing blue based IR kits, it hasn't caught on to a single other sport.

And soccer, as was illustrated earlier.

 

[El_Scorcho]

And soccer, as was illustrated earlier.

Uh, no. That was a clash kit. In soccer we wear green and gold.

 

[70sDinosaur]

Red yellow and black make a lot more sense than green and gold for a new Australian flag.

Germans and Belgians like this idea.

 

[Portia]

Uh, no. That was a clash kit. In soccer we wear green and gold.

We wear it against sides that aren't wearing both green & gold though, right? eg. vs Brazil's standard combo, a green uniform would seem to fit the bill, maybe white shorts.

 

[El_Scorcho]

We wear it against sides that aren't wearing both green & gold though, right? eg. vs Brazil's standard combo, a green uniform would seem to fit the bill, maybe white shorts.

Come ooonnnnnnn.

It's a clash kit, designed so we're covered regardless of how the clash occurs, and using the common Australian sporting tertiary colour of navy blue.

It's not proof that we're actively avoiding green and gold at all costs. Our home kit, that is worn in the vast majority of games we play, is green and gold.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore, that we could possibly use more green and we're choosing not to and that's proof that we don't like green and gold and want to change?

It's a dumb argument.

 

[Portia]

I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore

Take a pick:

- The Australian flag shouldn't be green and gold, particularly not because `Australians identify with those colours' (Dylan8). I've never met anyone who has complained about Australia wearing blue, or that it is unAustralian.
- Green and gold is shit. It is shit.
- We already wear blue regularly among our sporting colours; if green and gold were so iconic, you'd do anything possible to avoid muddying that. In fact, we actively choose blue over green and gold at various points.

I'll also add that green and gold are also the sporting colours of one of the few countries that play almost every common or bizarre international sport that we do, so why would you really be so determined to lock in keeping the same colours if we changed our flag?