Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[RussellEbertHandball]

£85,000,000.... There's some ridiculous money that gets thrown around in soccer..

About 50% is the share of TV revenue you get for playing in the Premier League, the rest is increased sponsorship, increased shirt sales, increased season ticket sales either more and/or price hikes in season tickets and other new revenue streams you don't get in the Football Championship League.

This article has info ie a table on how all 20 clubs shared the 2010-11 TV monies - £952 million.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/oct/12/football-broadcasting-deal-liverpool

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The English broadcast income for clubs is generated in three parts: 50% shared between the 20 clubs equally, 25% in facility fees and 25% in merit payments which depend upon where a club finish in the league table. Facility fees are paid to each club every time their matches are shown on UK television, with each club being guaranteed a minimum of ten fees.

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Total broadcasting payments, Premier League season 2010-11 (£'s)
 
Club....  Equal Share Facility Fees Merit Payment  Overseas Total
 
 
Man Utd....  13,819,031  13,548,306  15,135,120  17,926,595  60,429,052
Chelsea....  13,819,031  11,616,544  14,378,364  17,926,595  57,740,444
Arsenal....  13,819,031  11,616,544  12,864,852  17,926,595  56,226,932
Man City...  13,819,031  10,167,565  13,621,608  17,926,595  55,534,799
Liverpool..  13,819,031  12,099,417  11,351,340  17,926,595  55,196,383
Tottenham..  13,819,031  9,201,639  12,108,096  17,926,595  53,055,361
Everton....  13,819,031  7,269,787  10,594,584  17,926,595  49,609,997
Aston Villa  13,819,031  8,235,713  9,081,072  17,926,595  49,062,411
Fulham.....  13,819,031  5,820,898  9,837,828  17,926,595  47,404,352
Newcastle..  13,819,031  8,718,676  6,810,804  17,926,595  47,275,106
Sunderland.  13,819,031  6,303,861  8,324,316  17,926,595  47,373,803
West Brom..  13,819,031  5,820,898  7,567,560  17,926,595  45,134,084
Stoke......  13,819,031  5,820,898  6,054,048  17,926,595  43,620,572
Bolton.....  13,819,031  5,820,898  5,297,292  17,926,595  42,863,816
Blackburn..  13,819,031  5,820,898  4,540,536  17,926,595  42,107,060
Wigan......  13,819,031  5,820,898  3,783,780  17,926,595  41,350,304
Wolves.....  13,819,031  5,820,898  3,027,024  17,926,595  40,593,548
West Ham...  13,819,031  7,752,750  756,756  17,926,595  40,255,132
Birmingham.  13,819,031  5,820,898  2,270,268  17,926,595  39,836,792
Blackpool..  13,819,031  5,820,898  1,513,512  17,926,595  39,080,036
TOTALS..  276,380,620  158,918,704  158,918,704  358,531,892  952,749,977

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/oct/12/football-broadcasting-deal-liverpool

Liverpool want to follow the spanish model and the big clubs get more.

In the EPL the top team in 2010-11 got 1.54 times what the bottom team got. In Spain and Italy where individual TV deals are done with the clubs it was 12.5 times in Spain and 10 time in Italy.

 

[HugeJohnson]

About 50% is the share of TV revenue you get for playing in the Premier League, the rest is increased sponsorship, increased shirt sales, increased season ticket sales either more and/or price hikes in season tickets and other new revenue streams you don't get in the Football Championship League.

This article has info ie a table on how all 20 clubs shared the 2010-11 TV monies - £952 million.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/oct/12/football-broadcasting-deal-liverpool

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The English broadcast income for clubs is generated in three parts: 50% shared between the 20 clubs equally, 25% in facility fees and 25% in merit payments which depend upon where a club finish in the league table. Facility fees are paid to each club every time their matches are shown on UK television, with each club being guaranteed a minimum of ten fees.

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[SIZE=5][B]Total broadcasting payments, Premier League season 2010-11 (£'s)[/B][/SIZE]
 
Club  Equal Share Facility Fees Merit Payment  Overseas Total
 
 
Man Utd  13,819,031  13,548,306  15,135,120  17,926,595  60,429,052
Chelsea  13,819,031  11,616,544  14,378,364  17,926,595  57,740,444
Arsenal  13,819,031  11,616,544  12,864,852  17,926,595  56,226,932
Man City  13,819,031  10,167,565  13,621,608  17,926,595  55,534,799
Liverpool  13,819,031  12,099,417  11,351,340  17,926,595  55,196,383
Tottenham  13,819,031  9,201,639  12,108,096  17,926,595  53,055,361
Everton  13,819,031  7,269,787  10,594,584  17,926,595  49,609,997
Aston Villa  13,819,031  8,235,713  9,081,072  17,926,595  49,062,411
Fulham  13,819,031  5,820,898  9,837,828  17,926,595  47,404,352
Newcastle  13,819,031  8,718,676  6,810,804  17,926,595  47,275,106
Sunderland  13,819,031  6,303,861  8,324,316  17,926,595  47,373,803
West Brom  13,819,031  5,820,898  7,567,560  17,926,595  45,134,084
Stoke  13,819,031  5,820,898  6,054,048  17,926,595  43,620,572
Bolton  13,819,031  5,820,898  5,297,292  17,926,595  42,863,816
Blackburn  13,819,031  5,820,898  4,540,536  17,926,595  42,107,060
Wigan  13,819,031  5,820,898  3,783,780  17,926,595  41,350,304
Wolves  13,819,031  5,820,898  3,027,024  17,926,595  40,593,548
West Ham  13,819,031  7,752,750  756,756  17,926,595  40,255,132
Birmingham  13,819,031  5,820,898  2,270,268  17,926,595  39,836,792
Blackpool  13,819,031  5,820,898  1,513,512  17,926,595  39,080,036
TOTALS  276,380,620  158,918,704  158,918,704  358,531,892  952,749,977

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/oct/12/football-broadcasting-deal-liverpool

Liverpool want to follow the spanish model and the big club get more.

In the EPL the top team in 2010-11 got 1.54 times what the bottom team got. In Spain and Italy where individual TV deals are done with the clubs it was 12.5 times in Spain and 10 time in Italy.

What's the merit payment and why is West Ham's so low compared to everyone else?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

You didn't read closely what I cut and pasted
25% in merit payments which depend upon where a club finish in the league table.

No idea about individual clubs.

 

[bomberclifford]

Going the other way (relegation) would hurt massively.
How would a club manage that sort of drop in income?

 

[MP_]

Going the other way (relegation) would hurt massively.
How would a club manage that sort of drop in income?

thats why relegated clubs lose all their top players when they go back down because they get signed on ridiculous money whilst in the premier league as the club hopes they stay up and when they don't they have to get traded.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Derrick Rose's Gmail:

 

[Vic_Vinegar]

Early yesterday morning I was doing some bleary-eyed flicking through the sports channels and stumbled on the FA Cup final. I've never been big on soccer but it was a major final so I watched it anyway and was taken aback by a few things. 1) the sheer passion of the crowd especially the Wigan fans after the win, it was amazing. 2) how entertained I actually was despite it taking 93 minutes for a goal.

So I've decided I'm going to get into the EPL starting next season (inb4 soccerfaglol) and I need a team to support. I'm just indie enough that I didn't want to support one of the big 4/5 but I want a team that has good history, is fairly safe from relegation and may have a sneaky chance of success. So, after extensive research I've narrowed it down to either Tottenham Hotspur or Everton but I can't decide from there.

Are there any Spurs/Everton fans who want to ultimately convince me? If not I'll flip a coin

Stays away from spuds. They are a huge club with massive funds who generally underperform considering the huge fan base and budget. But they have Gareth Bale. The guy is amazing, think he may have won player of the year. I like Everton but they have lost manager David Moyes to ManUre. Get on Fulham.

 

[sog35]

Going the other way (relegation) would hurt massively.
How would a club manage that sort of drop in income?

There's a concept called parachute payments whereby in the 3-4 years following relegation you get an increased level of distribution compared to other clubs in the Championship that haven't been in the Premier League. You would think that it would create a significant disparity in the Championship but it still conitnues to be an incredibly tough and tight league. Recent history would suggest money doesn't always equal suggest that you'll bounce, for instance Wolves getting relgated from the PL last year and the Championship this year. Leeds were in financial strife and did the same. There's a fair bit to say that momentum and cultural issues can really sting. On the other hand there have been a number of clubs in recent history go with double promotions in 2 years. Norwich and Southampton being two recently.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

He come from Italy,
to manage Man City,

And now he's gone.

farewell Roberto.

 

[bomberclifford]

There's a concept called parachute payments whereby in the 3-4 years following relegation you get an increased level of distribution compared to other clubs in the Championship that haven't been in the Premier League. You would think that it would create a significant disparity in the Championship but it still conitnues to be an incredibly tough and tight league. Recent history would suggest money doesn't always equal suggest that you'll bounce, for instance Wolves getting relgated from the PL last year and the Championship this year. Leeds were in financial strife and did the same. There's a fair bit to say that momentum and cultural issues can really sting. On the other hand there have been a number of clubs in recent history go with double promotions in 2 years. Norwich and Southampton being two recently.

So if a club gets elevated to the Premier League, how long do they get before the possibility of relegation hits?
Is it just one season or is there a honeymoon period for newly elevated clubs?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

So if a club gets elevated to the Premier League, how long do they get before the possibility of relegation hits?
Is it just one season or is there a honeymoon period for newly elevated clubs?

You have 12 months.

 

[Natman]

You have 12 months.

...or 1 season, whichever comes first.

 

[bomberclifford]

You have 12 months.

Wow. Brutal.
Does that result in a lot of yo-yoing between the two leagues?

 

[manureid]

He come from Italy,
to manage Man City,

And now he's gone.

farewell Roberto.

Wins first title in 44 years...1 year to the day, sacked. Wow.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So if a club gets elevated to the Premier League, how long do they get before the possibility of relegation hits?
Is it just one season or is there a honeymoon period for newly elevated clubs?

There is no honeymoon. Bottom 3 sides every season get relegated. There is a list of relegated and promoted teams in the following wiki page. Most teams only last one or two seasons in the premier league.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_seasons

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Wins first title in 44 years...1 year to the day, sacked. Wow.

Apparently an overqualified unemployed bacon faced rag wants the job.....

Handled poorly imo Roberto deserved more respect than he got but money talks and bullshit walks.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

...or 1 season, whichever comes first.

Usually it's 12 months.

 

[manureid]

Apparently an overqualified unemployed bacon faced rag wants the job.....

Handled poorly imo Roberto deserved more respect than he got but money talks and bullshit walks.

Would be such a 'massive' step down though

 

[cj_09]

Did Branson give us any of his pocket money?

He's one who we should be doing everything to be getting sponsorship off of.

 

[Natman]

Usually it's 12 months.

Sorry Pres, it was meant to be a joke, Joyce.

 

[cj_09]

Early yesterday morning I was doing some bleary-eyed flicking through the sports channels and stumbled on the FA Cup final. I've never been big on soccer but it was a major final so I watched it anyway and was taken aback by a few things. 1) the sheer passion of the crowd especially the Wigan fans after the win, it was amazing. 2) how entertained I actually was despite it taking 93 minutes for a goal.

So I've decided I'm going to get into the EPL starting next season (inb4 soccerfaglol) and I need a team to support. I'm just indie enough that I didn't want to support one of the big 4/5 but I want a team that has good history, is fairly safe from relegation and may have a sneaky chance of success. So, after extensive research I've narrowed it down to either Tottenham Hotspur or Everton but I can't decide from there.

Are there any Spurs/Everton fans who want to ultimately convince me? If not I'll flip a coin

You need to jump on the Toon Army bandwagon my friend.

Newcastle United.

We had a very poor season this season, league and Europe, which was a massive disappointment after the season before, finishing 5th.

Black and white, the Magpies, most passionate supporters in the UK, always have the best away crowds and will out sing any other clubs supporters.

Get on board pal, it will be one hell of a roller coaster ride, but well worth it.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Sorry Pres, it was meant to be a joke, Joyce.

As was mine Joycette.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Sorry Pres, it was meant to be a joke, Joyce.

btw have you claimed some glory for backing O'Shizzy in the "Big Suprises" thread?

You should as VP of his fan club.

 

[Noobz0r]

Daft Punk album has leaked, bit hit and miss for mine so far.

 

[bomberclifford]

Daft Punk album has leaked, bit hit and miss for mine so far.

Over-hyped muzak.