Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Doctor Feel]

You're right, Labor's plan to get that copper the **** out of the ground is much less sensible than the Liberals' plan to leave most of it there, wait a few years until the public bitching reaches fever pitch, then replace it all at much greater expense.

If my Telstra shares were the only thing I cared about, I guess I'd vote Liberal too.

Actually...I do have shares in telstra.

They would actually do better if labor continued, there is a lot of fear around their shares at the minute. The NBN will need to pay Telstra to use their infrastructure, good financial gainzzzz.

 

[It Just Is]

Not only slower internet but they will filter your pr0n as well
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...ter-the-internet/story-fn5j66db-1226711996885

Man, now I'll have to go out and talk to girls or some gay shit like that.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Not only slower internet but they will filter your pr0n as well
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...ter-the-internet/story-fn5j66db-1226711996885

Lets just put Conroys bullshit for the last few years aside then right?

Wont happen.

 

[It Just Is]

At least I snuck in a few good years of flogging while the going was good.

 

[raman]

Actually...I do have shares in telstra.

They would actually do better if labor continued

Nope. Telstra will profit from both NBN proposals but the Liberals' more. Under Labor the copper gets sold ASAP on the international market and Telstra is no longer the primary broadband wholesaler. Under Liberal the government BUYS an outdated infrastructure for whatever crazy price Telstra cares to name, and Telstra still gets to retain its monopoly for a few years longer before assuming its position as a retailer.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Nope. Telstra will profit from both NBN proposals but the Liberals' more. Under Labor the copper gets sold ASAP on the international market and Telstra is no longer the primary broadband wholesaler. Under Liberal the government BUYS an outdated infrastructure for whatever crazy price Telstra cares to name, and Telstra still gets to retain its monopoly for a few years longer before assuming its position as a retailer.

Last I read on some reports from Telstra is that Telstra will be paying for the maintenance of the NBN infrastructure, but companies will have to in rent it out for their use. Pretty much what is going on now, with the exception of some companies like internode(now owned by IInet) who have their own infrastructure.

The effects of either policy will be a bit of a wait and see for mine. Long term growth probably is suited in Labors proposal, but Telstra would have to look at diversifying considerably if the liberals go with their option.

 

[power09]

Not only slower internet but they will filter your pr0n as well
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...ter-the-internet/story-fn5j66db-1226711996885

From Turnbull's twitter
The Coalition has never supported mandatory internet filtering. Indeed, we have a long record of opposing it and supporting Internet freedom.

The policy released today wrongly indicated we supported an opt out system of internet filtering. That is not our policy and never has been.

The correct position is that the Coalition will encourage mobile phone and internet service providers to make available software which parents can choose to install on their own devices to protect their children from inappropriate material.

 

[Doctor Feel]

From Turnbull's twitter
The Coalition has never supported mandatory internet filtering. Indeed, we have a long record of opposing it and supporting Internet freedom.

The policy released today wrongly indicated we supported an opt out system of internet filtering. That is not our policy and never has been.

The correct position is that the Coalition will encourage mobile phone and internet service providers to make available software which parents can choose to install on their own devices to protect their children from inappropriate material.

Turnbull will be PM during Abbotts term, shit is going to get hilarious.

 

[Doctor Feel]

"Mr Swan had been known to call out "sloppy Joe" across the chamber in Parliament before Mr Hockey's surgery induced weight loss."

did lol.

 

[Peck]

Sometimes you think you know people, and then you find out that you really did know them.

 

[raman]

Sometimes you think you know people, and then you find out that you really did know them.

No one ever said you had to have sophisticated politics to support Port Adelaide.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Lets just put Conroys bullshit for the last few years aside then right?.....

"Mr Swan had been known to call out "sloppy Joe" across the chamber in Parliament before Mr Hockey's surgery induced weight loss."....

Gillard's two biggest millstones around her neck. But they were her two biggest supporters. Swan should have been the minister for social security and Conroy given something like customs.

 

[Janus]

Turnbull will be PM during Abbotts term, shit is going to get hilarious.

Nah. I've said all along that Labor is so bereft of talent that Abbott will win the election in a canter, scrape through on the next one on the back of things 'not being so bad', then Turnbull will challenge on the third go round when the country is back on an even keel and people are clamoring for a progressive thinker.

The reason why the Liberals had to go with an extreme right-winger like Abbott is because Rudd had pushed Labor to the center, almost right, so they needed a point of difference. By the time Labor rebuilds, it will be left of center again and the Liberals can shift back closer to the center with Turnbull.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Nah. I've said all along that Labor is so bereft of talent that Abbott will win the election in a canter, scrape through on the next one on the back of things 'not being so bad', then Turnbull will challenge on the third go round when the country is back on an even keel and people are clamoring for a progressive thinker.

The reason why the Liberals had to go with an extreme right-winger like Abbott is because Rudd had pushed Labor to the center, almost right, so they needed a point of difference. By the time Labor rebuilds, it will be left of center again and the Liberals can shift back closer to the center with Turnbull.

Fair summation Janus.


The Liberals will not knife Abbott in his first term as PM after Labor knifed Rudd and they have spent the next 39 months stumbling and bumbling along. The Liberals will avoid this completely.

Turnbull must be kicking himself that he let Rudd set the agenda on climate change in the lead up to Copenhagen in December 2009, the Liberals became nervous nellies and kicked him out by 1 vote, then Copenhagen was a complete flop and Rudd then reneges on his great moral challenge of our time. His back flip basically was him saying he wasn't good enough to take up the challenge.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/media/pressrel/H4OM6/upload_binary/h4om62.pdf

Climate change is the great moral challenge of our generation.
Climate change is not just an environmental challenge.
Climate change is an economic challenge, a social challenge, and actually
represents a deep challenge on the overall question of national security.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/media/pressrel/H4OM6/upload_binary/h4om62.pdf

Chris Ulhmann beautifully summed up Rudd's incompetence on the 7-30 Report on 27 April 2010

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2884108.htm
CHRIS UHLMANN: It's hard to see how the Government can walk back from its myriad bold statements on the desperate need for putting a price on carbon without damaging its credibility, especially if it calls an early poll based on the repeated rejection of its private health insurance bill. If you really believe that climate change is the greatest moral and economic challenge of our age, then you wouldn't retreat, would you, because if you did, people might begin to wonder what you actually believe in?
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2884108.htm

If Abbott is true to his word that the first thing he does is scrap the Carbon Tax and will go to a double dissolution, then as I have been saying to family and friends for months, we are going to another election in March or April 2014. The senators elected on Saturday do not take up their seat until 1st July 2014. He is about 99% unlikely to have control of the senate in July so a March or April 2014 double dissolution election makes sense.

This will be Abbott's great moral and economic challenge.

If he gets back with a reduced majority then it opens it up for the Liberals to knife Abbott during the 2014-2017 term as it will be his 2nd term and Labor can't accuse the Liberals of not letting their leader go back and face the people again.

But Turnbull has had the advantage of watching Rudd and learning not what to do if you are going to challenge, take over and don't want to wreck your party.

 

[Doctor Feel]

It will be interesting to see it unfold, that's for sure. At what odds a 'graceful' step down in favour of Turnbull if things go sour in a second term? The liberals haven't tended to knife anyone so brutally as the whole Rudd/Gillard fiasco. It would be disguised as a "I think Turnbull would be best for the party" without an official caucus vote.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It will be interesting to see it unfold, that's for sure. At what odds a 'graceful' step down in favour of Turnbull if things go sour in a second term? The liberals haven't tended to knife anyone so brutally as the whole Rudd/Gillard fiasco. It would be disguised as a "I think Turnbull would be best for the party" without an official caucus vote.

Federal Liberals don't generally knife their PM's, a few challenges and rumblings but only time they have kicked out a PM was in 1971 when John Gordon was destabilized for about 12-18 months and the final straw being Malcolm Fraser resigning as Defence minister citing Gorton was interfering in his handling of the Vietnam War and his portfolio. Gorton called a Liberal party meeting they had a vote it was a tie and rather than using his casting vote to stay in power, he stood down. But bizarrely he stood as Deputy PM was voted in and took the Defence portfolio. But this farce lasted 6 months before McMahon sacked him. The BS arounnd this was similar to that around Rudd and Gillard. Whitlam won a handsome election margin in December 1972.

The federal libs aren't afraid to get the knifes out if they are in opposition and the leader doesn't look like winning an election. Abott is the only federal liberal opposition leader to survive 3 years or more without a challenge. His near win in 2010 was the main reason and the first time a minority government since 1940 meant party discipline kept him in power.

At state level the libs get the knife out. In SA after the 1991 state bank disaster, the Libs won the 1993 election 37 seats to 10. Olsen had resigned from the senate to come back to state parliament and wanted to be leader. He knifed Brown in late 1996 and almost lost the election in late 1997. What should have been a 4 year x 4 term government limped to the election in early 2002.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Federal Liberals don't generally knife their PM's, a few challenges and rumblings but only time they have kicked out a PM was in 1971 when John Gordon was destabilized for about 12-18 months and the final straw being Malcolm Fraser resigning as Defence minister citing Gorton was interfering in his handling of the Vietnam War and his portfolio. Gorton called a Liberal party meeting they had a vote it was a tie and rather than using his casting vote to stay in power, he stood down. But bizarrely he stood as Deputy PM was voted in and took the Defence portfolio. But this farce lasted 6 months before McMahon sacked him. The BS arounnd this was similar to that around Rudd and Gillard. Whitlam won a handsome election margin in December 1972.

The federal libs aren't afraid to get the knifes out if they are in opposition and the leader doesn't look like winning an election. Abott is the only federal liberal opposition leader to survive 3 years or more without a challenge. His near win in 2010 was the main reason and the first time a minority government since 1940 meant party discipline kept him in power.

At state level the libs get the knife out. In SA after the 1991 state bank disaster, the Libs won the 1993 election 37 seats to 10. Olsen had resigned from the senate to come back to state parliament and wanted to be leader. He knifed Brown in late 1996 and almost lost the election in late 1997. What should have been a 4 year x 4 term government limped to the election in early 2002.

I love sub plots in sub plots in sub plots.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I love sub plots in sub plots in sub plots.

The interesting thing about John Gorton's prime ministership was that National Country Party leader and deputy PM Black Jack McEwan hated Billy McMahon, because McMahon as treasurer wanted to get rid of agricultural industry protection and tariffs and quotas, and Black Jack refused to support him becoming Liberal leader and PM. After the 1969 election when the coalition just scrapped back in, the Liberal knifes started being sharpened for Gorton's back. The Nationals Country Party were a lot bigger part of the coalition government in the 1950's thru to 1970's than what they have been the last 30 years. Black Jack resigned in early 1971 and new leader Doug Anthony didn't have a problem with Billy McMahon. Within 3 months of Black Jack leaving, McMahon was PM.

In my previous post I said Gorton became deputy PM after he lost to McMahon. That should have been Deputy Liberal Leader.

 

[PepeSilvia]

Random businessman on the tram wearing an Essendope jacket... Fighting the urge to laugh at him.

 

[PepeSilvia]

About 30 seconds after I posted that, the tram I'm on hit some old bloke at Goodwood Road. the flip.

 

[raman]

what happened?

 

[Power Girl]

Tony Abbot is in the same ballpark.

That said, the one shining light in all this is that Abbot should be entertaining in the same sort of way Dubya was.

yeah but it was funny when he belongs to another country ... faaaarrrk

 

[Power Girl]

Would bang Julie Bishop.

What is wrong with you. Get some therapy

 

[PepeSilvia]

what happened?

He ran across the tracks as we were going through the intersection. If the tram driver hadn't been so alert I think the guy would have been very seriously injured. Amazingly fast response from the emergency services. Paramedic on a motorcycle was here in about 2 minutes, a policeman after about 4 minutes, and then 30 seconds after that an ambulance.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

He ran across the tracks as we were going through the intersection. If the tram driver hadn't been so alert I think the guy would have been very seriously injured. Amazingly fast response from the emergency services. Paramedic on a motorcycle was here in about 2 minutes, a policeman after about 4 minutes, and then 30 seconds after that an ambulance.

Was anyone siging this song?

Waiting... for the ambulance to come
Hoping that it doesn't come... too late
Hearing the sirens in the distance
Hold on help... Is on the way
Mr. Ambulance Driver
I'm right here beside her
Tho I'll live some how I've found
Mr. Ambulance Driver
I'm not a real survivor
Wishing that i was the one that...wasn't gonna be here anymore
The one that isn't here anymore
The one that isn't here anymore
Oh...we can't trade places
Our lives are strangely our own
Mr. Ambulance Driver
Tell Me...for everyone that dies someone new is born
Mr. Ambulance Driver
I'm right here beside her
And tho I'll live somehow I've found
Mr. Ambulance Driver
I'm not a real survivor
Cause I'm wishing that i was the one that...wasn't gonna be here anymore
Mr. Ambulance Driver
I'm right here beside her
And tho I'll live somehow I've found
Mr. Ambulance Driver
I'm not a real survivor
Cause I'm wishing that i was the one that...wasn't gonna be here anymore
The one that isn't here anymore
The one that isn't here anymore
(Waiting for the ambulance to come, who who whooo)x2
Mr. Ambulance Driver