Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[El_Scorcho]

When LeBron hits 38 points coming off his sickbed with the flu to win Game 5 of a finals series that would deliver a sixth championship...you can talk about how he's "all over the goat conversation now".

He just went 41, 41 and a triple double in 3 games to go from 3-1 down to Champions. That's as good and as clutch as any 3 game stretch ever anywhere.

He wont get 6 rings but he doesn't need it necessarily. He'll definitely need 4 or 5.

Jordan is the goat but LeBron is in the frame, and depending on the rest of his career can definitely stake a claim.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Gary Sweet (Police Rescue), Peter Phelps (Sons and Daughters) and Alex Dimitriades (Heartbreak High) were hardly unknown in 1995.

Richard Roxburgh was probably the unknown whose career benefited most.

Dimitriades was on his 2nd decent gig. What role did Sweet play? Christopher Dale Flannery? . The Neddy Smith and Mick Drurry roles were played by unknowns. Tony Martin's career had a big leap after that and played some great cop roles after he played Neddy Smith The Lenny Mcpherson role as well. The Sally Anne Huckstepp role went to an unknown. The Allen Williams role went to an unknown Marcus Graham Lots of other minor but important roles went to unknowns who were able to put that on their CV and get big brownie points.

 

[Portology]

Hey RussellEbertHandball I watched that blue murder mini-series it was very good you were right but I counted about 5 boom mic scenes.

Nothing like 90s ABC production values ​

brilliant show. watch a vid of Roger Rogerson from the time and see how good a job Richard Roxburgh does. chilling.

 

[Rexie J]

Currently reading the book on Sallie-Anne. She sure as hell didn't die wondering. An intriguing life to say the least.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

brilliant show. watch a vid of Roger Rogerson from the time and see how good a job Richard Roxburgh does. chilling.

Roxburgh was great yea I expected he would be as I've seen him in other roles, The Rogerson doco on tonight comes at a good time

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Currently reading the book on Sallie-Anne. She sure as hell didn't die wondering. An intriguing life to say the least.

What's it called?

 

[Rexie J]

What's it called?

HUCKSTEPP A dangerous life. Author John Dale. ISBN 978-1-922057-94-5 (print version) It's an interesting read that gives a bit of an insight into the drug/cops scene at the time. Plenty of uncorroborated interviews with many of her associates and others involved. From a legal persepective it has little value due to the lack of corroboration but it's still worth a read - about $30.

 

[Kickpuncher]

Man what a day.

What a performance.

Kyrie with one of the most clutch shots I have ever seen.

 

[Kickpuncher]

Curry had to, he's the best shooter in history. Irving did the same thing but just executed better.

LeBron was ******* amazing all series.

That LeBron block was ****ing space jam like shit.

 

[FallingLiefs]

When LeBron hits 38 points coming off his sickbed with the flu to win Game 5 of a finals series that would deliver a sixth championship...you can talk about how he's "all over the goat conversation now".

Six finals series - six championships - six finals MVPs.

Any of the Bulls championship teams would have destroyed both Golden State and Cleveland using modern rules. You know, back when the centre could just stand in the paint and block the lane without having to worry about getting a defensive three second violation (which was introduced in 2001-2002), which would allow zone defences better spread and coverage and shooters like Curry wouldn't get off as many threes as they do today.

Not even head and shoulders...pfffft.

you seem very determined to defend the bulls and Jordan's honour at every chance. Even today first a stab at curry immediately post-match and now the LBJ stuff. reality is comparing champions across era's is very hard but inevitable in every sport and in this case it is justified. You can keep coming up with every way how it's easier now but LBJ has put up an all time performance in Game 7 away. He went to another level in game 5, the best team ever (fact) couldn't match it. LBJ is in the conversation.

 

[finbarr]

Yeah look, a disdain and contempt for the corporatization of music and art existed a longtime before the first "hipster" even existed. The entire hardcore/punk counterculture existed with a very deliberate and ingrained effort to shun the corporate music media, major record labels, clubs etc., with grass roots DIY principles reigning supreme. I've personally always had a great disdain for corporate, stadium rock, not to adhere to some "hipster" ideal, but because it was part of my upbringing in that scene.

"HIPSTER!!!!!"

I just want to qualify this by saying that I've always had a soft spot for Dave era Van Halen. You can't deny dem guitar hooks.

 

[tribey]

Man what a day.

What a performance.

Kyrie with one of the most clutch shots I have ever seen.

Melbourne-born. #clutchcapital

 

[Dylan8]

Melbourne-born. #clutchcapital

Truly the sporting capital of the world. Suck it, loser cities.

 

[Janus]

you seem very determined to defend the bulls and Jordan's honour at every chance. Even today first a stab at curry immediately post-match and now the LBJ stuff. reality is comparing champions across era's is very hard but inevitable in every sport and in this case it is justified. You can keep coming up with every way how it's easier now but LBJ has put up an all time performance in Game 7 away. He went to another level in game 5, the best team ever (fact) couldn't match it. LBJ is in the conversation.

I was in the stands when LeBron and his team of superstars couldn't get it done against an aging San Antonio and got closed out in 5. He's nowhere near the conversation.

Fact.

 

[Portmanteau]

When LeBron hits 38 points coming off his sickbed with the flu to win Game 5 of a finals series that would deliver a sixth championship...you can talk about how he's "all over the goat conversation now".

Six finals series - six championships - six finals MVPs.

Any of the Bulls championship teams would have destroyed both Golden State and Cleveland using modern rules. You know, back when the centre could just stand in the paint and block the lane without having to worry about getting a defensive three second violation (which was introduced in 2001-2002), which would allow zone defences better spread and coverage and shooters like Curry wouldn't get off as many threes as they do today.

Not even head and shoulders...pfffft.

Yeah, nah. Illegal defense was always called, but prior to 01-02 it was more ref's discretion than an objective three-second rule. The more significant change is the inability to hand check, which Dwyane Wade cashed in on in 2006. Overall, defensive systems are far more sophisticated than they ever have been, with the biggest advances coming from Tom Thibodeau's innovations as an assistant for the Celtics in the 2000s and later head coach of the Bulls.

All that said, I've never seen a sensible person argue that Jordan's quality wouldn't hold up in, and surpass, that of any era. And yet, at age 31, MJ has 3 rings and 3 MVPs, LBJ has 3 rings and 4 MVPs. It is a conversation that can be had.

Also, your point on the Dubs not being able to beat the 80s Lakers or Celtics is utterly laughable. The Warriors would absolutely roast either team, in the same manner an AFL team would dominate an 80s outfit. It's a completely different, advanced and evolved game.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I was in the stands when LeBron and his team of superstars couldn't get it done against an aging San Antonio and got closed out in 5. He's nowhere near the conversation.

Fact.

Selling Duncan and San Antonio very, very short here.

The term aging totally ignores Leonard as well who was phenomenal in that series.

 

[FallingLiefs]

I was in the stands when LeBron and his team of superstars couldn't get it done against an aging San Antonio and got closed out in 5. He's nowhere near the conversation.

Fact.

Ah yes... The NBA: where losing finals is worse then not making them.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Selling Duncan and San Antonio very, very short here.

The term aging totally ignores Leonard as well who was phenomenal in that series.

Remind me: how many of that old team were still playing this year?

 

[Janus]

Yeah, nah. Illegal defense was always called, but prior to 01-02 it was more ref's discretion than an objective three-second rule. The more significant change is the inability to hand check, which Dwyane Wade cashed in on in 2006. Overall, defensive systems are far more sophisticated than they ever have been, with the biggest advances coming from Tom Thibodeau's innovations as an assistant for the Celtics in the 2000s and later head coach of the Bulls.

All that said, I've never seen a sensible person argue that Jordan's quality wouldn't hold up in, and surpass, that of any era. And yet, at age 31, MJ has 3 rings and 3 MVPs, LBJ has 3 rings and 4 MVPs. It is a conversation that can be had.

Also, your point on the Dubs not being able to beat the 80s Lakers or Celtics is utterly laughable. The Warriors would absolutely roast either team, in the same manner an AFL team would dominate an 80s outfit. It's a completely different, advanced and evolved game.

Did I say they wouldn't be able to beat them? I said that it's not like Golden State are on the same level as those teams - I meant in terms of their own legacy and what he had to overcome to beat them. When Jordan won his first championship, he had to beat the reigning back to back NBA champions in the Eastern Conference finals and then beat the team that had won the previous three championships as well. Regular season wins? Big whoop. Championships are what counts, and the record books will show that the Warriors choked, losing from 3-1 up. There's a big reason why it's never happened before in NBA history - good teams don't let that sort of shit happen.

And I'm talking finals MVPs here. If you're talking about league MVP? Jordan has 5 to LeBron's 4. With a two year hiatus thrown in for good measure.

Selling Duncan and San Antonio very, very short here.

The term aging totally ignores Leonard as well who was phenomenal in that series.

The Heat were two time NBA champions, dude, and they didn't even fire a shot. It was like the Mavericks all over again for James.

I'm not disrespecting Leonard, Duncan, Parker or any of those guys. I was all over a Leonard replica jersey after his series. I'm just saying that if a player wants to be put in the conversation of the greatest ever, he needs to get it done on a consistent basis...and LeBron hasn't been able to. Maybe that will change - but Jordan didn't need to leave the team he was drafted to to win his first two rings, either.

 

[tribey]

Ah yes... The NBA: where losing finals is worse then not making them.

NFL too.

"Montana's undefeated in Super Bowls!"

So's Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning.

 

[Dylan8]

NFL too.

"Montana's undefeated in Super Bowls!"

So's Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning.

How much does that burn

 

[Janus]

NFL too.

"Montana's undefeated in Super Bowls!"

So's Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning.

Only a Brady fan would ever think he's a better QB than Montana

 

[Portmanteau]

Did I say they wouldn't be able to beat them? I said that it's not like Golden State are on the same level as those teams - I meant in terms of their own legacy and what he had to overcome to beat them. When Jordan won his first championship, he had to beat the reigning back to back NBA champions in the Eastern Conference finals and then beat the team that had won the previous three championships as well. Regular season wins? Big whoop. Championships are what counts, and the record books will show that the Warriors choked, losing from 3-1 up. There's a big reason why it's never happened before in NBA history - good teams don't let that sort of shit happen.

And I'm talking finals MVPs here. If you're talking about league MVP? Jordan has 5 to LeBron's 4. With a two year hiatus thrown in for good measure.

Comparison made for the age of 31.

So, essentially what you're doing here is, in both the case of LeBron and the Warriors, is comparing the fully realised and concluded legacy of Michael Jordan (and the Lakers/Celtics) to guys who still have many years left to go, ie not a reasonable comparison.

How would MJ, stack up to say, Bill Russell, if you were evaluating his career in 1995 (or much earlier in the case of Curry)?

 

[tribey]

How much does that burn

The fact that play actually has its own Wikipedia page says it all.

 

[tribey]

Only a Brady fan would ever think he's a better QB than Montana

How would the Pats go without a salary cap, I wonder.