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Hey maybe they are, but there's nothing to suggest that's the case. This is negative proof fallacy stuff.

Maybe Anakin's dad is a German Shepherd that can impregnate people by barking at The Force.
I do find it odd that there are some that feel the need to include a characters sexual preference within a narrative even if it has nothing to do with the plot.

In a universe inhabited by freakish species of indeterminate gender, why this fixation on a humanoid, same sex preference?
 

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I do find it odd that there are some that feel the need to include a characters sexual preference within a narrative even if it has nothing to do with the plot.

In a universe inhabited by freakish species of indeterminate gender, why this fixation on a humanoid, same sex preference?
I agree that it would be pretty shallow to add it in just for the sake of it.

If they go there it would need to be an intrinsic part of the plot, just as the heterosexual romantic relationship between Leia and Han was in the OT.

I just find it strange that we have a brother and sister playing tonsil hockey on screen and everyone's cool with it, but mention the possibility of a lesbian or (Force forbid!) gay kiss and people start shifting in their seats.
 

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Hey Hitler loved German Shepherds so it fits in with the whole Space Nazi shtick. ;)
Space Nazis are easily the best ever conspiracy. I even read one that had them linked to an Inner Earth theory, that the 'sky Nazis' inhabit a world above the ground that is below the ground we inhabit. Those CT nuts are nothing if not creative.

Getting back to movies, I once read a theory about the Alien movies that they represented men's inherent fear of women due to the fact that the monster is a gargantuan womb with vagina dentata. Ripley represented both the masculine and feminine aspects of humanity and only defeated the monster by understanding its inherent feminine instincts.
 

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Automotive engineers are campaigners.
I just changed the brake light on my sister-in-law's Fiesta. My bank doesn't try as hard to stop my money being stolen as the Ford people did to hide the intricate ways the rear lighting-rig was secured. I removed all visible screws but had to go to a YouTube video to find there is a hidden wingnut that can only be found by feel. I did my Cruze headlight earlier in the year, similar story.
Cars I owned when I was young were simple to access the globes or sealed beam units. Why has this changed? Did thieves begin stealing individual globes?
 
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Automotive engineers are campaigners.
I just changed the brake light on my sister-in-law's Fiesta. My bank doesn't try as hard to stop my money being stolen as the Ford people did to hide the intricate ways the rear lighting-rig was secured. I removed all visible screws but had to go to a YouTube video to find there is a hidden wingnut that can only be found by feel. I did my Cruze headlight earlier in the year, similar story.
Cars I owned when I was young were simple to access the globes or sealed beam units. Why has this changed? Dis thieves begin stealing individual globes?
Wingnut sniffer dog reporting in.
 

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Space Nazis are easily the best ever conspiracy. I even read one that had them linked to an Inner Earth theory, that the 'sky Nazis' inhabit a world above the ground that is below the ground we inhabit. Those CT nuts are nothing if not creative.

Getting back to movies, I once read a theory about the Alien movies that they represented men's inherent fear of women due to the fact that the monster is a gargantuan womb with vagina dentata. Ripley represented both the masculine and feminine aspects of humanity and only defeated the monster by understanding its inherent feminine instincts.
Very plausible theory especially after watching Prometheus, which really played on the manifestation of one's personal fears angle.
 

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I agree that it would be pretty shallow to add it in just for the sake of it.

If they go there it would need to be an intrinsic part of the plot, just as the heterosexual romantic relationship between Leia and Han was in the OT.

I just find it strange that we have a brother and sister playing tonsil hockey on screen and everyone's cool with it, but mention the possibility of a lesbian or (Force forbid!) gay kiss and people start shifting in their seats.
Han provided the competition for Luke in his obsession with the Space Princess and helped set up the original Luke/Leia twincest twist
Leia's eventual hook up with Han was a classic 'girl eventually falls for the bad guy' trope. This also provides the origin to Kylo Ren.
Annikan and Padme romance was required for the origin story of Luke/Leia and to some extent the descent into madness and the becoming of Vader.

Other than that, I'm hard pressed to think of any other 'romantic' aspects of the entire SW story, hetro or otherwise.
 

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Han provided the competition for Luke in his obsession with the Space Princess and helped set up the original Luke/Leia twincest twist
Leia's eventual hook up with Han was a classic 'girl eventually falls for the bad guy' trope. This also provides the origin to Kylo Ren.
Annikan and Padme romance was required for the origin story of Luke/Leia and to some extent the descent into madness and the becoming of Vader.

Other than that, I'm hard pressed to think of any other 'romantic' aspects of the entire SW story, hetro or otherwise.
Other than that? The core relationship dynamics you mentioned are practically what all of these movies are about.

Take them away and it's all just a bunch of mindless pew-pew.

lol, for several seconds there I thought you were referring to the Underground Space Nazis.
Haha I should've deployed some bold text.
 

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On reflection, there was a fair bit of homo-erotic tension between Han and Lando Calrissian in the original movies
Bromosexuals. Lando was clearly trying to out-Alpha his old bro Han by engaging Leia with his smooth Calrissian moves.
 

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Other than that? The core relationship dynamics you mentioned are practically what all of these movies are about.

Take them away and it's all just a bunch of mindless pew-pew.
Precisely. They were only there because they were core to the underlying story.

See, we agree.
 

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I'm sure they would have wanked each other off at some point on one of those long, tedious space flights in the past
"Why you slimy, double-crossing, no good swindler! You've got a lot of nerve showing up here, after what you pulled."

I always thought Lando was talking about some shady deal that went bad...but you're telling me he was mad because Han jacked off someone else?

Now it all makes sense!
 

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I'm glad we agree that a homosexual relationship could be an integral part of the storyline in the future. ;)

#gayrey
I have zero issue with that, as long as it's integral to the plot or to the character development.
Otherwise it would come off as very tokenistic.

Subtle gestures that hint at a character's sexuality aside, my guess is that it would take the form of a relationship story arc that builds a connection to another part of the saga.
 
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Who the **** cares about whether someone in a movie is a bloke or a woman?

I'm pretty 'anti token' in movies, I'm not happy with every current blockbuster selling itself out to the Middle East or Chinese markets, but arguing over whether more parts should be allocated to women/not compromise the roles of men, and having it affect how you enjoy the movie? Seriously?
I care... because I want to have a sense of connection with the characters so that I feel what they feel and are therefore more engaged.

If the cast is disproportionately male for no good reason, then it breaks my sense of engrossment in the film as it isn't reflective of reality. Especially if its supposed to be somewhat realistic.

The best example from R1 is when:

the mother died in a pathetic whimpy matryr way. If that was my Mum, she would have somehow outsmarted them, kicked their arse or at least taken the baddy out with her. So when she died, I felt nothing for her.

Which would be fine, if that was just one type of female character and there were some other strong female characters balancing it out, but there wasn't in R1. Even Jyn's arc was dependent on two male father figures.
 

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I care... because I want to have a sense of connection with the characters so that I feel what they feel and are therefore more engaged.

If the cast is disproportionately male for no good reason, then it breaks my sense of engrossment in the film as it isn't reflective of reality. Especially if its supposed to be somewhat realistic.

The best example from R1 is when:

the mother died in a pathetic whimpy matryr way. If that was my Mum, she would have somehow outsmarted them, kicked their arse or at least taken the baddy out with her. So when she died, I felt nothing for her.

Which would be fine, if that was just one type of female character and there were some other strong female characters balancing it out, but there wasn't in R1. Even Jyn's arc was dependent on two male father figures.
I felt more for Anakins mum in the Phantom Menace...and I hated those movies.
 
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