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Probably because of opportunity I suppose. The freedom to create diversity was there, but not realised. And that's disappointing.[/SPOILER]
Perhaps, can't argue that. I will say that there are more men because men are better are warring. If that is sexist, so be it.
I don't buy into this theory that audiences just cant handle females dying or getting blown up. We've seen sexual and domestic violence towards women depicted on screen many times.
Heck, we see a woman shot in the first 5 minutes!
And all of those times it is used to create an emotional response. We've never really seen an abundance of female redshirts, faceless women being killed in droves.

Of all the women in R1 we have Jyn whose main story arc exists at the bequest of men. Mon Mothma - wouldn't it be great to see her just take control of a meeting and lay down the law? I mean she is the rebellion leader, but she is depicted as weak. Then we have Lyra Erso. Also, weak.
Mon Mothma can't just lay down the law if the council doesn't agree. That's the point of the Alliance, to difference itself from the Imperial dictatorship.
How is Lyra weak? She took on an Imperial VIP and his 5 special guards. If you think she is weak because she isn't Rambo, that's your call. There was nothing weak about her mental fortitude, trying to save the person she loves.

And thats it really.

Then there are 27 males. Not asking for much, just strengthen up the aforementioned female roles, maybe cast one more in a semi major role, and perhaps include a female alien as a pilot or robot and we're all good.
Aside from the above disagreements, ie, Lyra and Mon Mothma, again, in principle, can't disagree with that.

None of the agreeable points break the believability of the Star Wars universe to me though, which is the main point I'm talking about.
 
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Getting back to movies, I once read a theory about the Alien movies that they represented men's inherent fear of women due to the fact that the monster is a gargantuan womb with vagina dentata. Ripley represented both the masculine and feminine aspects of humanity and only defeated the monster by understanding its inherent feminine instincts.
Alien has a subtext about making men feel what it's like to be raped from a women's perspective.
 

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The new passengers movie got spoiled for me because people are furious it was represented as a romance when it seems it's much darker than that.
 

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First of all, wow, is it really `diverse' to have a proportionate number of female roles to male roles that corresponds to actual proportions? Its not, what we're seeing in R1 is abnormal, and its a recurring abnormality.
Not everything is represented equally amongst demographics, it is no less likely that this would happen in the Star Wars universe than on a mine site in the Pilbara.

As for `greater standard of diversity', again its pretty sad that maybe vaguely matching RL percentages is something you consider a `greater standard' and yet think there's nothing wrong with it. Secondly, the main reason is because every single part of Star Wars is made up, the whole thing. There's no gender-switching for historical figures needed or anything, every single thing in every single Star Wars film is invented. There is no reason to reinvent the exclusion of women and minorities. None. And particularly when you are inventing a whole new core cast of characters, supporting characters, one-line disposables and general extras.
So... it is?

What you're doing is asking the creators to change their vision to suit something else. If the director originally decided she'd have a bloke play a supporting role, what does it matter and why should she change it?

LOL what? I am pretty sure that fiction and film uses the death of women with great consistency to build drama/establish villainy.
As I said to Scooter, we've never seen an abundance of female redshirts, their deaths and misfortune are used for inciting an emotional response in a plot. Ever seen a movie with a dozen women in a fox hole getting turned in to meat by a bomb for nothing more than an entertaining battle scene? Me neither. There's no way to know how it would go down.
 
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You might be interested in this Portia:

Besides dodging naysayers, the film's scored another notable win, bucking Hollywood's trend for under-paying its lead actresses.

Jones, who's garnered the major share of the film's praise for her starring role as Rebel fighter Jyn Erso, was "by far the highest-paid castmember", the Hollywood Reporter notes.

"Coming off her best actress nomination for The Theory Of Everything, Jones was able to negotiate for a seven-figure upfront salary... Her other castmates, including Diego Luna and Ben Mendelsohn, took home significantly less, not cracking mid-six figures," the trade paper reports, calling it a "watershed moment" in the industry.

Maybe if she had settled for less they would have been able to include more female roles in the movie :p :D
 

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Dear parent,

When your child is running around in a public place being an annoying little pain in the arse, how about bringing the little turd under control instead of looking at people with that goofy grin on your face that says "surely you find his/her behaviour as adorable as I do". No, I/we clearly do not.
At my daughters netball grand final last Saturday and this little turd was throwing his water bottle against the mesh fence the separates the spectators from the court. After about the 5th time I had had enough and I knew no one else would say anything. So I asked him "Are you going to be doing that all game?" He replied with a "No". "Good idea" I replied. He moved away not long after.
 
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"Why you slimy, double-crossing, no good swindler! You've got a lot of nerve showing up here, after what you pulled."

I always thought Lando was talking about some shady deal that went bad...but you're telling me he was mad because Han jacked off someone else?

Now it all makes sense!
 
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