Opinion The Rebuild Thread

[Aphrodite]

I don't think you are the first person to raise the idea that the players think they are rock stars.

There was a guy on here who was warning of this very fact and got hounded from the boards. Literally no one would even entertain the idea that the players were ahead of themselves or that there was anything wrong. Now look where we are at.

Can't remember who it was, but pretty sure it was something about hair cuts and footy boots.

Now Betts is gone, Garlett is gone, and so are the hair cuts. He / She might of had a point I suppose.

Where has Garlett gone?

 

[Silvagnis]

I don't think you are the first person to raise the idea that the players think they are rock stars.

There was a guy on here who was warning of this very fact and got hounded from the boards. Literally no one would even entertain the idea that the players were ahead of themselves or that there was anything wrong. Now look where we are at.

Can't remember who it was, but pretty sure it was something about hair cuts and footy boots.

Now Betts is gone, Garlett is gone, and so are the hair cuts. He / She might of had a point I suppose.

You're awfully familiar with the board after joining just this month.

*cue music*

 

[SBYM]

So if an admin worker is walking down a hall and Murphy is walking past him, is the admin worker meant to not make eye contact or something? Surely being two human beings they are allowed to acknowledge each others presence with a hi or head bob etc

More importantly…what does everyone out there do with the old second, third, and fourth walk pasts?

Do you say hello again? Nod? Wink? Smile? Does it reach a point when you can just ignore them?

It's a serious issue that's pretty much confining me to my desk…all suggestions welcome...

 

[Magruder]

Apologies if this has been done or said before:

List management is not reactive to success or failure but a process of continually evaluating where the list is now and where it will be in say three years.

If we scan through the current senior listed players and identified:
* those established or semi-established players who are likley to be playing solid to excellent AFL level football in three years. (Thinking Yarran, Murphy, Henderson etc)
* those players we are sold on as part of the future, (Cripps, Menzel, Graham)

I doubt they would total 20. I believe we need to be 30-35 of these to consider the list in good long term shape.

The only option is to turn the list over until you get the mix right. You need to keep the list in this condition to contend regularily.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I don't think you are the first person to raise the idea that the players think they are rock stars.

There was a guy on here who was warning of this very fact and got hounded from the boards. Literally no one would even entertain the idea that the players were ahead of themselves or that there was anything wrong. Now look where we are at.

Can't remember who it was, but pretty sure it was something about hair cuts and footy boots.

Now Betts is gone, Garlett is gone, and so are the hair cuts. He / She might of had a point I suppose.

You think somebody was hounded from the boards for suggesting the players were rock stars? Could it be it was more about the manner and tone of their posting, rather than the message?

I'm not quite sure who you are talking about but I do question these stories in the re-telling, because they serve to tar us all with the same brush, and indicate there is no fairness on this board. We seem to have a lot of people signing up only days/weeks before, telling us stories about the history of this board. They are not all avid readers who never got around to posting, but know enough about the who and they why of things.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

More importantly…what does everyone out there do with the old second, third, and fourth walk pasts?

Do you say hello again? Nod? Wink? Smile? Does it reach a point when you can just ignore them?

It's a serious issue that's pretty much confining me to my desk…all suggestions welcome...

You do the forced awkward grimace smile to indicate 'we've already done this and just acknowledging we need not go there again' or a widening of the eyes and dual eyebrow lift/grimace smile combo if you are feeling particularly guilty.

 

[SBYM]

Where has Garlett gone?

So arrogant we just kicked him and his flashy boots out the door.

 

[tom1197]

Whats the job security of Patty Cripps after his performance?
and does Buckley have his spot locked down?

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Where has Garlett gone?

Magoos.

 

[angelsgal]

This clarification makes the situation sound far better than your original post.

thanks, I'm at work and trying post inbetween task LOL, some post have been rushed/started post went back to them later. I'm glad this clarified it a bit. I actually have actually had a few family ties in club, was just waiting for them to drop off before I started posting on forums like this one. Clubs do look at these from time to time. Unfortunately, the payers thinking they are rockstars comes from a culture established well before this crop of players, hopefully Mick can stamp it out

 

[Old Dark Blues]

You think somebody was hounded from the boards for suggesting the players were rock stars? Could it be it was more about the manner and tone of their posting, rather than the message?

I'm not quite sure who you are talking about but I do question these stories in the re-telling, because they serve to tar us all with the same brush, and indicate there is no fairness on this board. We seem to have a lot of people signing up only days/weeks before, telling us stories about the history of this board. They are not all avid readers who never got around to posting, but know enough about the who and they why of things.

Like I said, was a long time ago - but the derision and scorn that person received was quite telling - that much I do remember. I have no doubt that person ended up being a bit of an idiot in their delivery as well. But it most certainly was not a one way street, and that has no reflection on how this board is run by the mods, rather the group think that can sometimes get pitch forks readied and torches lit. My point is simply that they had a point which seems to have been vindicated and it simply was not tolerated.

I think the best thing to come out of this current saga is the willingness of this board, and other similar boards, to even discuss issues. From what I have seen in the past anyone questioning the coach, players, management etc were hounded for not showing enough "loyalty". Or anyone questioning a players performance or attitude was also maligned.

I think this board has come to the point where it is finally "ok" to actually accept that there are always going to be issues with anyone or anything and we should be allowed to discuss them rather than simply saying we, as supporters have no idea, and should instead blindly follow the leaders at the club.


Finally yes there are plenty of people who have been on here well before Parrot, Strawberry Pancakes, Gilchrist, and do not post. You will also see the odd post from people who registered almost a decade ago and still only have one or two posts. These are often the most telling posts.....

It's also partly due to my role, as someone who has been actively involved in forums and IT tech since the early 90's I try to minimise my posting habits. They are time consuming.

 

[SBYM]

Magoos.

Problem solved…


Hard to kick goals when your guts are full of shit pizza.

Get on down to 400 Gradi, Jeffy…world's best right there...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Like I said, was a long time ago - but the derision and scorn that person received was quite telling - that much I do remember. I have no doubt that person ended up being a bit of an idiot in their delivery as well. But it most certainly was not a one way street, and that has no reflection on how this board is run by the mods, rather the group think that can sometimes get pitch forks readied and torches lit. My point is simply that they had a point which seems to have been vindicated and it simply was not tolerated.

I think the best thing to come out of this current saga is the willingness of this board, and other similar boards, to even discuss issues. From what I have seen in the past anyone questioning the coach, players, management etc were hounded for not showing enough "loyalty". Or anyone questioning a players performance or attitude was also maligned.

It's a perception. This board encourages constructive criticism. It does not encourage spiteful rumour mongering and casting aspersions on players character in a hostile fashion. It also does not tolerate repetitive agendas. There are only a handful of posters on this forum that will not accept something negative no matter how articulate or constructive it may be, so I strongly refute this group pitchfork mentality. That feeling of being under siege is in the eye of the beholder and is usually not as widespread as they (you) remember it. Of course, it the message was delivered crudely, that is what is going to be seen, not any genuine attempt at discussion.

I think this board has come to the point where it is finally "ok" to actually accept that there are always going to be issues with anyone or anything and we should be allowed to discuss them rather than simply saying we, as supporters have no idea, and should instead blindly follow the leaders at the club.

Some posters on the board might be more accepting of certain opinions, but this board has not changed its stance at all. We do give some leeway for ranting and hurt feelings when everybody is doing it, but generally isolated stuff that is not constructive and likely to derail is removed.

Finally yes there are plenty of people who have been on here well before Parrot, Strawberry Pancakes, Gilchrist, and do not post. You will also see the odd post from people who registered almost a decade ago and still only have one or two posts. These are often the most telling posts.....

I've been on the Carlton forum since day 1. There is nothing new under the sun. There are some that barely post. There are some that register multiple accounts and return to a seldom used one after another is banned. There is nothing more telling about their posts than any other.

It's also partly due to my role, as someone who has been actively involved in forums and IT tech since the early 90's I try to minimise my posting habits. They are time consuming.

It's not your lack of posts I was querying. It is your April join date and your concession that you have been around before. I wonder what happened to your old account in that case. You say you don't have time to post but make time to register an account and come in here to score ancient history points supposedly on behalf of a poster you don't even know. Why?

Much better served to join in the discussion and not assume you know everything about this forum.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Whats the job security of Patty Cripps after his performance?
and does Buckley have his spot locked down?

Surely, you're not asking dream team questions in the midst of this shitfight?

We have a stickied thread for such queries ... somewhere.

 

[Aphrodite]

Whats the job security of Patty Cripps after his performance?
and does Buckley have his spot locked down?

Best to ask in this thread .........

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/supercoach-dreamteam-fantasy-discussion-2014.1046481/page-9

 

[SE_Blue]

You're awfully familiar with the board after joining just this month.

*cue music*

Long time listener, first time caller.

 

[Magruder]

Long time listener, first time caller.

Better than the reverse.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Where has Garlett gone?

home sick

 

[BM123]

Anybody find Lloyd's graph on FC funny?

We have less three kids then the next team. So we are one off-season from getting a few kids with the draft, trade and rookie selections from been having the same spread as most other teams. Should have talked more about the experience of our youth then the quanity of them.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Anybody find Lloyd's graph on FC funny?

We have less three kids then the next team. So we are one off-season from getting a few kids with the draft, trade and rookie selections from been having the same spread as most other teams. Should have talked more about the experience of our youth then the quanity of them.

To be fair to Lloyd I don't think he was talking about the past 2 years of drafting, more the 20-25yo.

 

[Roy71]

In your list of 15 you include both Kreuzer and Warnock, so who do you think we're going to use as ruckmen? Particularly when you also include Casboult and Rowe who are our current backups, is your name Grant Thomas?

I have no doubt that some on that list won't be wearing our colours next year but we will be incredibly uncompetitive if we are to cut that deep. Not to mention the difficulties of trying to blood draftees with that kind of experience gone.

Carrazzo, Garlett, Gibbs , Kreuzer, Judd, McLean, Robinson, Scotland and Waite are deadset walkins to our best 20 players if fit and in form. I think Armfield, Casboult, Rowe and McInnes, on the best we've seen from them, can contribute as lesser players in a pinch.

I think other names that wouldn't go astray on your list are Lucas, Bell, Watson, Bootsma and Ellard. All of these players have more to prove to save their careers at Carlton than many that you've named.

Scotland will, no doubt, retire but as far as I'm concerned Judd can stay here until he, and he alone, decides he's had enough.

BH, I think you may have misunderstood my post?

I have nominated a pool of players who can either be traded, delisted or retired. I never said Carlton should trade both Kreuzer and Warnock or should retire Carrazzo, Judd, McLean, Scotland and Waite all at once.

Bootsma's body isn't built for the rigors of AFL but the kid can play. Unfortunately, the club chooses to play him as a defender when IMO he should be played along the wing. Bell is raw and might turn into a very handy player with the right guidance? He falls into the athlete category. Ellard tries and has reasonable skills, just needs continuity. Lucas and Watson are poor selections at this stage but stranger things have happened (refer to my post).

Garlett has lost his way and has been far too inconsistent, teams are more inclined to draft midfielders who can rest forward and kick goals i.e. Parker. Gibbs is a product of Carlton’s poor player development, Robinson has heart but is a dumb footballer, Armfield has pace, Casboult is a great mark but cannot kick, Rowe is a great story and playing FB out of necessity and McInnes is a dime a dozen medium tall.

Carlton tends to draft too many of the same type. Need players with x factor and elite footskills. So you either draft and develop them or trade them into the club. If you trade, something has to give.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I think you need to be careful with how you manage out your past champions, in this category I would only have Judd, Simpson & Carrazzo. Judd is a no brainer, you let him decide when he has had enough, although he must understand he is no longer in the top salary bracket. Simpson and Carrazzo, both need to understand they wont be in our next premiership and they are there to help teach the next generation, so that may mean them sacrificing there role and might play in the 2s to let the likes of Graham, Menzel, Cripps, Bell, get an extended crack in the midfield.

 

[El Topo]

Posters on this board shouldn't underestimate Simmo's durability, he seems like the type to pull a Bradley and play on for another 4-5 years. Definitely wouldn't lump him in with Judd, Scotland and Carrazzo.

 

[BM123]

Posters on this board shouldn't underestimate Simmo's durability, he seems like the type to pull a Bradley and play on for another 4-5 years. Definitely wouldn't lump him in with Judd, Scotland and Carrazzo.

Other then Judd we won't be hurt too badly by Carazzo and Scotland leaving.

Even Waite retiring wouldn't sting too much with Hendo and Cas/Rowe doing well last year without him.

 

[Aphrodite]

Magoos.

That's not how I interpret 'gone' especially when you say 'now Betts is gone and now Garlett'.

He is a Carlton listed player and will be back in the Snrs soon enough.