Opinion The Rebuild Thread

[I AM CARLTON]

Think we need to do whatever we can to get 4 picks in the top 22 picks. Or so.

For example Pick 2 & 20 in draft.

Potentially a compo pick for Gibbs (might as well let him go as we won't be getting a flag for at least 5 years)

Trade anyone else with value Garlett, Kruezer Walker and try to snag another early pick.

If we are rebuilding then we go the whole hog. Anyone over the age of 21 is either delistable or tradeable. That doesn't mean we get rid of them all but if Hawks offer us for Walker we give them him but we keep Simpson or vice versa.

Only players above 21 I would say are untouchable would be Murphy as he is Captain and Henderson, prob keep Yarran also serious talent.

Continuing on from what I wrote earlier the players currently 21 or younger are Docherty, Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Graham, Temay, Holman & Giles. These are the players our next flag must be built around with smart recruiting in the draft.

Must embrace COMPLETE REBUILD!!!!!!!

 

[CrippsonBlue]

However, there are some cracks in the logic that need to be addressed and by some length.

If we have to wait 15-years to be any good at anything, then this club will have gone out of business permanently because there is no way known that the supporter base will hold on for that long. We have been in the wilderness for 18-years already so adding another 15 would make it a 33-year gap between premierships.

Disagreeing doesn't equate to cracks in the logic. Too much focus is being made on his '15 year' remark. I took it as being the aim for achieving a full cultural shift and to be the best in the business. The time frame is a recognition that the process should be done right, and doing it right means no quick fixes. If we are the best in the business in all of those areas in 15 years time, I daresay we would have tasted premiership success well before it comes to pass.

Supporters do need to accept that almost 20 years between drinks doesn't entitle them to success anymore than it entitles the club. The current state of a club is what dictates when it will next win a premiership, not its drought, and we couldn't be further if we tried. Putting a time limit based on the current drought will only see another failed attempt and ultimately prolong that very success supporters think they deserve.

Why do we deserve it any more than any of the other 17 clubs, most of whom have supporters jumping on board while ours and clambering over each other to get off.

Secondly, if Bryce Gibbs is not committed to the club and prefers to take a much bigger pay deal at another club, then bugger him, he deserves nothing more than an acknowledgement of playing for us.

Yet BTDG would like to get all cute & cuddly with him and invite him back to the club in the future.

As Big Jack would say "Pig's Arse" !!!

It's not about Gibbs, it's about the club culture we want to create. If we create one in which we value all players, players will want to be part of that. Its about being a players' first club of choice because of the culture we've created, not because of the amount of dollars we can throw at them. I think it's an interesting suggestion and has merit.

It's not as though one post on BF is going to entail a complete pathway to success, but it contained a more inspiring outlook than anything the club is putting out, or has done so in a long time. What BTDG captures well is our need to be innovative, and to stop playing catch up. His final comment also provides some much needed perspective.

 

[JustaBattler]

There is nothing wrong with an aspirational declaration and a 5, 10 or 15 year timetable - losing organisations do it all the time.

1. No Club has a monopoly on the notion, or belief, or aim or objective or logic or rationale or strategy - of getting better and better all the time in an effort to become the best over time.
2. Therefore Carlton would have no competitive advantage derived from implementing such lovely sounding logic ... after all carlton is (presumably) doing all this stuff right now rihgt? Well geelong and Hawthorn nd Collingwood are...right?
3. The nice sounding stuff delivers nothing of substance - nothing that anyone can hang their hat on - in fact no guidance , plan, strategy or direction so that the 5/0//15 year direction can be checked against benchmarks/KPI's etc etc to show that the Club is on course...
4. The long term is simply made up of lots of shorter terms.

the conversation would be moot if Carlton had the missing two talls and a deeper midfield - the competition is getting closer and closer as each Club implements exactly the same strategies whilst operating within basically the same constraints and limits.

Supporters have had expectations fuelled too high with false targets expected from an ordinary list - which has taken a lot of ordinary thinking to put together over a long period of time...the true believers on here have outnumbered those who have been pointing out the obvious flaws in player selection and list for years...( as an example)

Looking forward All the Club can do is fill the holes as best it can in a list which is compromised - now that the drafting bias period is over - middling teams like Carlton can expect to do a lot better sooner IF the people choosing players have half a clue - just like everyone else.

It doesn't take 15 years to build an excellent organisation in ANY business or ANY culture and it is a huge mistake to think that the important stuff will take 15 years ot a decade or three half decades to get right.

 

[mediumsizered]

worth reading

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/apr/14/carlton-facing-pain-for-a-few-seasons-to-come

Had a read but stopped when the author decided Yaz had gone backwards in the last 12 months & then said he had stagnated under Malthouse. Which is it? Gone backwards or stagnated? The truth is neither. Yaz had his best season on a goals kicked basis last season, even factoring in his little hissy fit & visit to the VFL. He has also been very good for us so far this season, with him being the only Carlton player to be among the coaches' votes at the weekend.

A lot of the article makes sense, but if the author is going to single out players based on their performances over the last 12 months, he could at least do his homework & identify the correct players that justify such criticism.

 

[Azzurro]

There is nothing wrong with an aspirational declaration and a 5, 10 or 15 year timetable - losing organisations do it all the time.

1. No Club has a monopoly on the notion, or belief, or aim or objective or logic or rationale or strategy - of getting better and better all the time in an effort to become the best over time.
2. Therefore Carlton would have no competitive advantage derived from implementing such lovely sounding logic ... after all carlton is (presumably) doing all this stuff right now rihgt? Well geelong and Hawthorn nd Collingwood are...right?
3. The nice sounding stuff delivers nothing of substance - nothing that anyone can hang their hat on - in fact no guidance , plan, strategy or direction so that the 5/0//15 year direction can be checked against benchmarks/KPI's etc etc to show that the Club is on course...
4. The long term is simply made up of lots of shorter terms.

the conversation would be moot if Carlton had the missing two talls and a deeper midfield - the competition is getting closer and closer as each Club implements exactly the same strategies whilst operating within basically the same constraints and limits.

Supporters have had expectations fuelled too high with false targets expected from an ordinary list - which has taken a lot of ordinary thinking to put together over a long period of time...the true believers on here have outnumbered those who have been pointing out the obvious flaws in player selection and list for years...( as an example)

Looking forward All the Club can do is fill the holes as best it can in a list which is compromised - now that the drafting bias period is over - middling teams like Carlton can expect to do a lot better sooner IF the people choosing players have half a clue - just like everyone else.

It doesn't take 15 years to build an excellent organisation in ANY business or ANY culture and it is a huge mistake to think that the important stuff will take 15 years ot a decade or three half decades to get right.

And so JAB shows that his blood runs Navy-er than most others - on this board and in the wider world.

A healthy dose of reality. Thank you JAB.

The vultures are circling. The hyenas are rabid and ravenous, ready to gorge on our proud Club's wounded flesh.

**** them and every other campaigner.

This is not a return to the dark years. This is a serious slump in form and confidence which can be rectified, quickly.

Our boys can play FFS! They can play infinitely better than they have so far this season. And they will play better soon. Bookmark it.

Continue to build the list. Continue to bring in talent. Continue to identify areas of development.

Our day will come if we stay strong and patient and continue to support our lads. After all, if we throw in the towel, then why shouldn't they?

**** the rest.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Had a read but stopped when the author decided Yaz had gone backwards in the last 12 months & then said he had stagnated under Malthouse. Which is it? Gone backwards or stagnated? The truth is neither. Yaz had his best season on a goals kicked basis last season, even factoring in his little hissy fit & visit to the VFL. He has also been very good for us so far this season, with him being the only Carlton player to be among the coaches' votes at the weekend.

A lot of the article makes sense, but if the author is going to single out players based on their performances over the last 12 months, he could at least do his homework & identify the correct players that justify such criticism.

Agreed. Yaz is certainly one of the few that can hold his head high thus far this season.

 

[Roy71]

Carlton’s capitulation against Essendon and insipid performance against Melbourne was difficult to stomach.

Making decisions whilst angry usually ends badly, therefore I implore the club takes a deep breath, re-groups and works through the issues systematically. More importantly, keep the media at bay. The attention is damaging the club’s stability and player confidence. Richmond is no better at present, yet they escape the media’s scrutiny.

The list as it stands has 5 players over 30, 4/28 year olds and 3/27 year olds. If you consider the number and caliber of players approaching their twilight years, Carlton will be in a spot of bother in the next year or two, especially if our current crop of youngsters don’t step up and our recruiting/development doesn't improve.

(30 +) - Carrazzo (31), Judd (31), Scotland (34), Simpson (30), Waite (31)
(28) – Armfield, McLean, Jamieson, Walker
(27) – Murphy, Rowe, Warnock

A clean out and proper rebuild is long overdue; however, Carlton has to remain competitive and should adopt a Hawthorn like approach. Target players who are not getting game time and can potentially fill some of our immediate needs (30+ replacements).

Our spine is our weakest link and has been neglected far too long, our foot skills are deplorable, we consistently put team mates under pressure and turn overs have become the norm. No more athletes, pure footballers only.

KPP’s are a must over the next 2 years. The midfield desperately needs 2 - 3 A graders, capable of playing inside/outside and kicking goals when resting forward. An established ruckman wouldn't go astray.

Free Agency is flawed. Short term fix with long term repercussions for clubs not close to challenging for a flag.

Delist/Retire/Trade – Armfield, Carrazzo, Casboult, Garlett, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Judd, McInnes, McLean, Robinson, Rowe, Scotland, Waite, Warnock & White.

I know many will shoot me down regarding Gibbs & Kreuzer (perhaps a few others) but Carlton has a tendency to hang on to under-performing players. Carlton must be brave and take task to players who want to hold the club to ransom and do not meet club expectations. They must not reward mediocrity.

I respected Rattan as a player but he failed to build a team capable of winning a premiership. He relied too heavily on Judd and turned Gibbs into a quarter back when he was recruited as a midfielder. The club should have embraced the draft and recruited according to needs and not best available. A comprehensive skills academy is paramount as is a player’s welfare program. Draftees need to be nurtured so that they feel part of a family, not just a football club.

Geelong & Hawthorn have proven how astute drafting and player development can achieve long term, sustained success. Our recruiting over the past 5 – 6 years has been questionable. Whilst I don’t agree with Bruce Mathieson’s public criticism of our list, he is without doubt correct. Far too many failures which has put pressure on our older players to perform week in, week out, because we lack depth and have no real talent coming through.

The Blues drafted McLean (11) & Lucas (12) in 2009 when the likes of Talia (13), Griffiths (19), Fyfe (20), Carlisle (24), Black (25), Gunston (29) & Reid (38) slipped through. Makes you wonder what our recruiting department were thinking or couldn't identify? The only positive was Henderson and Lucas might yet prove us wrong?

Drafting Watson (18), McCarthy (34) & Mitchell (42) in 2010 was a complete failure as far as I’m concerned, while Smith (19), Guthrie (23), Darling (26), Lester (28), Howe (33), Horlin-Smith (37) and Parker (40) are performing for their respective clubs. Will hurt Carlton long term, considering McCarthy & Mitchell have been delisted and no KPP was drafted/traded to replace them.

Malthouse has the right to make the hard decisions at years end and I for one don’t care which players are delisted or traded, providing it strengthens and galvanizes the club going forward.

If the board has no faith in Malthouse and Rogers, then pursue one of Thompson/Clarkson and one of Wells/Wright at all costs.

If supporters have no faith in the board, they should vote with their feet. They’ll get the message soon enough. If they don’t, Carlton will become the next Melbourne and under achieve for the next 10 years.

1995 is but a distant memory.

 

[btdg]

There was a lot of commonsense and a general collating of all the thoughts in this thread contained in the long post by BTDG.

However, there are some cracks in the logic that need to be addressed and by some length.

If we have to wait 15-years to be any good at anything, then this club will have gone out of business permanently because there is no way known that the supporter base will hold on for that long. We have been in the wilderness for 18-years already so adding another 15 would make it a 33-year gap between premierships.

Secondly, if Bryce Gibbs is not committed to the club and prefers to take a much bigger pay deal at another club, then bugger him, he deserves nothing more than an acknowledgement of playing for us.

Yet BTDG would like to get all cute & cuddly with him and invite him back to the club in the future.

As Big Jack would say "Pig's Arse" !!!

Big thanks to people who liked my previous rant! Even just getting around some positive messages seems like a start to me!

Just to clarify a couple of things.

Firstly, I don't think we have to wait 15 years to be good at anything. We're decent at lots of things, just not good enough. I think we should be aiming to be the best in all aspects of the club in 15 years time, and prepared to stay the course to get there.

Along the way, there would be ups and downs. In a perfect world, we'd be back in finals in 2015, or even this year (there are still 18 games to go!) - remember, I'm advocating backing our people, and if we can put some faith in them, who knows how quickly they can grow. We'd see continual progress and growth - a few finals appearances, maybe even a top 4 spot. If we're really lucky, we could pinch a premiership, or even just some great memories along the way. Consider Hawthorn's growth from their near-merger to becoming a powerhouse (really only cemented with their last 3 years): 15th, 13th, 9th, 6th, 4th, 10th, 9th, 15th, 14th, 11th, 6th, premiers, 9th, 7th, 3rd, 2nd, Premiers. They made a top 4 in 2001, won a premiership in 2008, and still kept building away. For us, maybe it takes that long, maybe its quicker. Maybe the highlight of this year is when we beat Essendon in round 22 (our only win for the season) and it knocks them out of finals... either way, we have to focus on being the best, not just the immediate, quick-fix.

Bear in mind that it's an 18-team competition now. 18 years withuot a premiership isn't unusual - it's what you expect. We've been a rabble in that time - behind the 8-ball in many ways. 33 years to a flag - not actually that bad in the new era of footy...

On Bryce Gibbs, as I said before, he's the player and the person we made him. We chose him as a leader before he'd even played a game. We put him on posters, promoted him to the world, when he'd done nothing to deserve it. We played him as a flanker, then a defender, then a tagger, then a midfielder, then a forward, never letting him settle into a role. We promised him premierships and told the world that we were the next big thing, then didn't deliver. If he has an inflated sense of entitlement, if he wants more money than we think he is worth, if he isn't the leader we want him to be - then it is on us, not him. But just remember that Bryce has devoted 8 years of his life and played over 150 games for our club. He has literally shed blood and tears for the club, and done a heap more than I have (and I'm guessing you as well). He didn't choose to be there in the first place - he was drafted there basically at random - but has invested himself in the place in a way that only very few people have. He's not Sticks Kernahan or Robert Walls, but then again, we're baying for Sticks' blood and we sacked Wallsy... so I guess it doesn't matter what you do at Carlton - and that was my whole point. Time we started treating people properly.

You know what I'd do with Gibbs if he goes? First season after he retires from Adelaide, I'd bring him back for a motorcade just before the Richmond game in round 1. Put up highlights of us coming back from 8 goals down to eliminate them last season, one of his best games for us. Show him how much we appreciated that effort, show Richmond how much we remember it, and show the players running out that day that when they do us proud, we remember them for life. What could be more motivating for the players in 2020 than that - to know before round 1 that if they give us their best, they get a chance at immortality. Is that cute and cuddly? I guess so - but I don't see what is wrong with that...

 

[Cringle]

Stop saying we should trade Kruezer. He isn't a failure. He's the best ruckman we can have at this point. Still young and we don't have to shop for a ruckman with ability. We'll already have one.

 

[thylacine60]

On Bryce Gibbs, as I said before, he's the player and the person we made him. We chose him as a leader before he'd even played a game. We put him on posters, promoted him to the world, when he'd done nothing to deserve it. We played him as a flanker, then a defender, then a tagger, then a midfielder, then a forward, never letting him settle into a role. We promised him premierships and told the world that we were the next big thing, then didn't deliver. If he has an inflated sense of entitlement, if he wants more money than we think he is worth, if he isn't the leader we want him to be - then it is on us, not him. But just remember that Bryce has devoted 8 years of his life and played over 150 games for our club. He has literally shed blood and tears for the club, and done a heap more than I have (and I'm guessing you as well). He didn't choose to be there in the first place - he was drafted there basically at random - but has invested himself in the place in a way that only very few people have. He's not Sticks Kernahan or Robert Walls, but then again, we're baying for Sticks' blood and we sacked Wallsy... so I guess it doesn't matter what you do at Carlton - and that was my whole point. Time we started treating people properly.

I've heard of fanbois before but this is just ridiculous. Carlton is now the reason Gibbs doesn't want the hard ball.

 

[btdg]

On Bryce Gibbs, as I said before, he's the player and the person we made him. We chose him as a leader before he'd even played a game. We put him on posters, promoted him to the world, when he'd done nothing to deserve it. We played him as a flanker, then a defender, then a tagger, then a midfielder, then a forward, never letting him settle into a role. We promised him premierships and told the world that we were the next big thing, then didn't deliver. If he has an inflated sense of entitlement, if he wants more money than we think he is worth, if he isn't the leader we want him to be - then it is on us, not him. But just remember that Bryce has devoted 8 years of his life and played over 150 games for our club. He has literally shed blood and tears for the club, and done a heap more than I have (and I'm guessing you as well). He didn't choose to be there in the first place - he was drafted there basically at random - but has invested himself in the place in a way that only very few people have. He's not Sticks Kernahan or Robert Walls, but then again, we're baying for Sticks' blood and we sacked Wallsy... so I guess it doesn't matter what you do at Carlton - and that was my whole point. Time we started treating people properly.

I've heard of fanbois before but this is just ridiculous. Carlton is now the reason Gibbs doesn't want the hard ball.

Sadly, I think it is true.

You think he'd be the same player he is today if he and Joel Selwood had swapped draft positions, if he'd done his early years at Geelong in their system?

I'm not going to speak too much about him 'wanting the hard ball' - he's a flawed player, obviously, as many of our guys are. But he's a decent bloke who has played 150 games for our club. Why does he cop the blame for us being the worst team in the competition? Because he isn't the player we hoped he'd be? That's our expectations, never the reality of things... Because he wants to leave? He's given us 8 years service and 150 serviceable games - I don't see what else he owes us.

It's far too easy to write off our deficiencies as a club as stemming from the inherent character flaws of one or two or four people: Murphy isn't a good enough leader, Gibbs is soft, Malthouse can't coach, Kernahan isn't a good president, etc. But everyone has flaws. Good clubs find a way to get the best out of people. We don't. That's the real issue, and what we need to address, at least in my view

 

[Roy71]

Stop saying we should trade Kruezer. He isn't a failure. He's the best ruckman we can have at this point. Still young and we don't have to shop for a ruckman with ability. We'll already have one.

I never said Kreuzer was a failure; however Carlton has more pressing needs. You have to give up quality to gain quality.

 

[Cringle]

I never said Kreuzer was a failure; however Carlton has more pressing needs. You have to give up quality to gain quality.

More of a general statement. Although now that you mention it. If we got rid of Kruezer. Probably the only ruckman in the competition that can grab 2x 3 Brownlow Votes. Then we'd be left with Warnock. Kruezer is underrated. Just get injuries.

 

[thylacine60]

Sadly, I think it is true.

You think he'd be the same player he is today if he and Joel Selwood had swapped draft positions, if he'd done his early years at Geelong in their system?

I'm not going to speak too much about him 'wanting the hard ball' - he's a flawed player, obviously, as many of our guys are. But he's a decent bloke who has played 150 games for our club. Why does he cop the blame for us being the worst team in the competition? Because he isn't the player we hoped he'd be? That's our expectations, never the reality of things... Because he wants to leave? He's given us 8 years service and 150 serviceable games - I don't see what else he owes us.

It's far too easy to write off our deficiencies as a club as stemming from the inherent character flaws of one or two or four people: Murphy isn't a good enough leader, Gibbs is soft, Malthouse can't coach, Kernahan isn't a good president, etc. But everyone has flaws. Good clubs find a way to get the best out of people. We don't. That's the real issue, and what we need to address. But I guess it's just easier to hate on Gibbs, sack the coach, and pretend that will fix things

Your soothing words might help others sleep at night but not me. Where have people blamed him for all our problems? He's just getting his whack along with every other player. I'm not angry he wants to leave, I want him to leave. Give me a player I can be proud of. Give me a supporter who's not an apologist for mediocrity.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Your soothing words might help others sleep at night but not me. Where have people blamed him for all our problems? He's just getting his whack along with every other player. I'm not angry he wants to leave, I want him to leave. Give me a player I can be proud of. Give me a supporter who's not an apologist for mediocrity.

Right on

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Your soothing words might help others sleep at night but not me. Where have people blamed him for all our problems? He's just getting his whack along with every other player. I'm not angry he wants to leave, I want him to leave. Give me a player I can be proud of. Give me a supporter who's not an apologist for mediocrity.

Players can't be void of responsibility, but it's a fair point to ask what Carlton have done to develop him into the player you/we want him to be. Players do become a product of their club and we have instilled all the wrong fundamentals into many of ours. You really think we wouldn't be speaking of Menzel in the same manner if he was drafted alongside Gibbs/Murphy?

 

[thylacine60]

Absolutely no idea.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Players can't be void of responsibility, but it's a fair point to ask what Carlton have done to develop him into the player you/we want him to be. Players do become a product of their club and we have instilled all the wrong fundamentals into many of ours. You really think we wouldn't be speaking of Menzel in the same manner if he was drafted alongside Gibbs/Murphy?

Very interesting point.

After all the beep tests, the jumping, the leaping thingy and all that...........
................you'd hope every once in an while they could show a bit of initiative that got them there in the first place.

Those lumps of wood have been there, either end for 150 years.

 

[BM123]

Somebody mentioned the Hawthorn approach before but I think they misunderstood it a bit.

Hawthorn got their two best KPD's through trade/FA and even Kyle Cheney came from the Dees. Hawthorn took just 3 years to really rebuild from 2008 to be top four quality in 2011. Hawthorn think draft picks are overrated and their premiership side had about 8/9 players who came from other clubs or were mature players taken from the state teams. Hawthorn and Geelong's kids tend to look awesome since they are playing in a quality side and given several years to develop in the VFL before they get thrown to the wolves.

In general I would say that you are better off trading for proven players in the right age bracket (20+) who can play quality football from the get go instead of getting players who are too old or been overly reliant on the draft which is hit and miss for everybody including the best clubs.

Hawthorn for example have their fair share of flops and Geelong were lucky with their plethora of FS picks.

At the moment I would be more inclined for Carlton to trade for a Tomlinson type for example who we all know is capable of playing quality footy instead of banking it all on the draft. We should definitely remain in the draft but I don't think we should be avoiding the trade table.

It's odd looking at how Sydney, Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn have managed to stay up for longer then most teams and be more successful compared to the traditional rebuilding sides. They all kept a good core of players who allowed the team to remain competitive and develop good habits in their younger players. I think Carlton need to do the same and maintain/build a good core of players that can keep the team ticking along and allow the kids to play in a half-decent team. No point trading the farm for a plethora of picks St Kilda style who I think are genuinely screwed when Lenny Hayes and Riewoldt retire. We should be looking to emulate Collingwood, Hawthorn and Geelong instead of trying to follow the same path as far less successful clubs in St Kilda and the Bulldogs.

 

[Dramoth]

My point was that today they're in exactly the same position as we are, despite having a side that was very competitive for about six or seven years.

You could argue we should have stayed higher for longer, but as someone once said, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want. We did what we could with what we had. The alternative was to trade out players at their peak like Waite, keep JK instead of Judd, and put up with what we're experiencing now. There's no guarantee that would have worked either. You can make perfect decisions and still have fate bat you around like a cat's toy.

Didnt help us much either losing Nick Stevens prematurely through his neck injury

 

[Dramoth]

So, I've read 7 pages of this thread...

Wow, thank god we are not putting the inmates in charge of the asylum...!

Some perspective is required, BF can change the most calm person into an inmate!!!

List turnover has started, CONFIDENCE is our major problem...

In Mick we trust.

The players just saw 10 of their mates turned over last year. It could be that they are uncertain about their future at the club and this is affecting their game.

just a thought...

 

[The Blue Baggers]

notice a few people have suggested we put kreuzer up for trade .............

think this would be a big mistake ..... given a decent run with no injuries kreuzer has the ability to be our no.1 ruckman for the next decade

agree you can turn mids over pretty quickly but the big men take time ...

 

[angelsgal]

A family member of mine use to work at the club (they left the club January this year), and often commented on it's poor culture, not just the player culture, but the general workplace culture as well. The players are treated like gods, regular staff (admin, membership assistants) can't even say hi to them (it's actually a rule). This is the first problem, the players are just one part of a much bigger team within the club, but they are not taught that when they walk in the door for the 1st time. I was at the Westpac center once, God help me know lol, and Chris Dawes walked in, smiled at the receptionist and said good morning Sandra (or whatever her name was). There was a sense of unity, everyone in the club is part of the team, not just the players.

 

[HARKER]

Here's where part of any rebuild comes from.

Nice bunch of guys.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Was anyone else slightly concerned with what Malthouse said on Footy Classified last night about wanting to have another trade/draft period like we did last year, alluding to the fact that we will go after more players like Everitt, Docherty, Daisy rather than trying to accumulate high draft picks which would be my preferred option.