Analysis The Rebuilds of West Coast and Richmond and their Future Prospects

[bzparkes]

He built his business cred while he was playing for West Coast? Or when he was their runner? I’m interested in these businesses he led at that time.

Started Seismic the year he finished, which was 1996. Was an oil exploration business which he sold to Fugro in '00.

Also was a director for WCE from '01-'04. Has 15 years experience in the oil & gas industry.

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[threesixpio]

WC are the absolute best at bottoming out and coming back regularly. Their strike rate for flags in the AFL period is excellent

Tiges …not so much

 

[Freomaniac]

Eagles at the beginning of their rebuild?

That started three drafts ago. 20 players under 21 is close to half the list.

The Tigers are just starting but brought in two quality mids in Hopper and Taranto that will steady the centre square set up for some time.

I sort of dont count the 2021 draft as eagles got 9th. they did use 4 or 5 picks in the draft.

I am curious on your teams 2022 draft picks. Rueben Gibney was pick 8 Elijah Hewett was pick 12 and Ty Dewar was a rookie pick. Those 3 blokes got games in 2024.

It is like comparing Hawthorn and West Coast really - Hawthorn are 3 years further removed from a Premiership and even went through that ‘we no rebuild!’ era (error?) with Mitchell/Omera/Wingard/Patton/Scully etc.

They a couple of years ahead of West Coast, and the Eagles should be a couple ahead of Richmond.

Well the hawks rebuild was interesting. Clarko thought at the end of 2016 that he had one more shot. The hawks traded their 2017 1st rounder and finished bottom 6. Made top 4 in 2018, finished outside the finals in 9th in 2019 then bottom 4 in 2020. Hawks traded in heavily in 2016 and 2018.

Eagles had a similar path. Eagles traded heavily in 2019 to get tim Kelly. Eagles made finals in 2020, finished 9th in 2021 then bottom 4 in 2022.

So hawks drop off in 2019 and 2020 is similar to eagles in 2021 and 2022. So if it is a similar 2 year gap, Eagles finish bottom 6 in 2025 then sneak into a 5th to 8th finals spot in 2026 if the guide is drawn.

Wonder if the spoon team this year will get the hardest draw in the fixtures next year.

Carlton made a prelim in 2023 winning 2 finals. you think get would get a bare minimum top 6 hardest draw. Nope they got one of the softest draws in 2024 getting richmond and North twice. lol

Not really comparable as at this stage. Richmonds rebuild will start from next year, a couple of years behind West Coast

Which shows looking at the teams on the weekend

Richmonds average age 26y 41 days with 4 players 21 or under. Banks, Brown, Cambell & Green. non early draft selections

West Coasts average age 25y 35d with 7 players 21 or under. Dewar, Ginbey, Hall, Hough, Johnston, Maric, Reid, Williams. Two top 10 draft selections.

I hope Richmond have a really good draft this year

Well its like a 2 year gap... Hawks finished bottom 4 and started their rebuild in 2020. Eagles rebuild started in 2022. Tigers started their rebuild in 2024.


But Saying that....

Eagles and Tigers will likely to be both bottom 4 or bottom 6 in 2025.


Its not about Vic Bias at the other end of the ladder, Its North Bias. lol

North Bias isnt being pro North Melbourne.

North bias means AFL want the NSW and Queensland sides to be successfull. Eagles and tigers already got their flags, its the NSW and Queensland sides turn now.

 

[Mr.X]

We see Richmond are setting up well and regenerating their list

Yze isnow a mature coach and appears to have a well organised structure

 

[Coach_Required]

We see Richmond are setting up well and regenerating their list

Yze isnow a mature coach and appears to have a well organised structure

Poor troll, you can do better.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

For Wce we now have some decent talent on the list
Hopefully we can turn around our WAFL side as that is where we can develop
this talent.
Draft this year is so important with a good hand and lots of NGA talent coming through the next few years

 

[Mr.X]

For Wce we now have some decent talent on the list
Hopefully we can turn around our WAFL side as that is where we can develop
this talent.
Draft this year is so important with a good hand and lots of NGA talent coming through the next few years

They do and with a new coach expect they’ll improve

 

[Rich01]

West Coast are three years ahead in their rebuild. But they are only a Harley Reid away in terms of a superior list.

When Harley goes it sets them back to where Richmond are now.

 

[bzparkes]

West Coast are three years ahead in their rebuild. But they are only a Harley Reid away in terms of a superior list.

When Harley goes it sets them back to where Richmond are now.

Just because Harley's the only player you've heard of, doesn't mean he's the difference between the 2 clubs.

Richmond's list is abhorrent.

 

[Rich01]

Just because Harley's the only player you've heard of, doesn't mean he's the difference between the 2 clubs.

Richmond's list is abhorrent.

Our list is putrid, but yours isn’t much chop. Take all your players out that won’t be there in 5 years and there ain’t much there for three years of rebuild.

 

[bzparkes]

Our list is putrid, but yours isn’t much chop. Take all your players out that won’t be there in 5 years and there ain’t much there for three years of rebuild.

There's plenty.

Miles ahead of Richmond.

 

[Rich01]

There's plenty.

Miles ahead of Richmond.

Name them.
Keen to hear the ones since you started your rebuild three years ago.

 

[bzparkes]

Name them.
Keen to hear the ones since you started your rebuild three years ago.

Why bother naming them when Harley's the only one you outed yourself as knowing?

 

[Rich01]

Why bother naming them when Harley's the only one you outed yourself as knowing?

Yeah I didn’t think you’d be game to name any.

And yep, I know a fair few of your mob. But as I said Harley’s the difference at the moment.

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah I didn’t think you’d be game to name any.

And yep, I know a fair few of your mob. But as I said Harley’s the difference at the moment.

Mate, I name them and you're just going to go "who?" And spam laugh emojis.

Not worth wasting my time.

Also, any club worth their time should be contending 8 years after a rebuild, so your comments about who's not going to be there in 5 years is pretty stupid, considering there's 5 whole drafts and trade periods before that point.

 

[Rich01]

Mate, I name them and you're just going to go "who?" And spam laugh emojis.

Not worth wasting my time.

Also, any club worth their time should be contending 8 years after a rebuild, so your comments about who's not going to be there in 5 years is pretty stupid, considering there's 5 whole drafts and trade periods before that point.

Sure mate.
Put em on the line and tell me who in your last three drafts before this year are the ones to take you to your next contending side?

Back up your comments on how your list build over this time shows your clubs is miles ahead as you say.

 

[Taper]

Who is currently further ahead in their rebuild?
West Coast or Richmond?

 

[bzparkes]

Who is currently further ahead in their rebuild?
West Coast or Richmond?

Depends which week it is.

Last week, Richmond had completed their rebuild and WCE were at ground zero.

This week it's flipped.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Who is currently further ahead in their rebuild?
West Coast or Richmond?

Both have quite similar lists at the moment IMHO.

They each still have a group of older players who they are quite dependent on, and a whole bunch of young kids with potential. It’s the mid 20s age range where the gap is for both teams.

Arguably both teams might do better in 2025 while the old blokes are still around, than in a couple of years when they’ve all gone.

 

[Mr Meow]

Both have quite similar lists at the moment IMHO.

They each still have a group of older players who they are quite dependent on, and a whole bunch of young kids with potential. It’s the mid 20s age range where the gap is for both teams.

Arguably both teams might do better in 2025 while the old blokes are still around, than in a couple of years when they’ve all gone.

What would a merged Richmond/West Coast 21-26 year old team look like? Not a lot of quality there.

Edit:

FB: Gibcus Blight Young
HB: Hough Miller Brown
C: Trezise Ross Ralphsmith
HF: MRJ Balta Mansell
FF: Lefau Allen Dewar
FOL: Ryan Dow Sonsie

IC: Edwards Petrucelle Williams Chesser

 

[BigPond101]

Started Seismic the year he finished, which was 1996. Was an oil exploration business which he sold to Fugro in '00.

Also was a director for WCE from '01-'04. Has 15 years experience in the oil & gas industry.

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Did he really "start" anything? Wasn't his family already incredibly wealthy? It's like saying Donald Trump started a real estate business.

Like former Eagle Brad Sheppard whose family is worth hundreds of millions and his dad attends neighbourhood dinner parties with billionaire Gina Rineheart aka the Elon Musk of women. Now he's sueing the AFL because apparently no amount of money is ever enough for some people

 

[Sphynx]

Who is currently further ahead in their rebuild?
West Coast or Richmond?

How can you tell?

Richmond are basically completely ground zero + just their draftee's from last year.

Of which we've seen 3 of them so far in Lalor, Trainor and Armstrong.

They took so many talls, we won't know for a while how that draft turned out.

On early viewing, Brown, Campbell and Blight might be three that they've found to add to that group as role players down the track.

Pretty much all their mid 20's players are horrible or will soon be disinterested with what will occur for the next 60 odd gams. Tarranto and Hopper, do they last? Doubtful imo, probably not worth much in all honesty.

When I look at West Coast, besides Reid and their 2024 draft. There's a few likely types that look as decent pieces long term and more than Richmond.

Dewar, Harry Edwards, Hewett, Ginbey, Hall.

Waterman and Allen are both 27, 26.

A lot really depends on how many hits Richmond get out of 2024, there's a hell of alot riding on that being a good draft overall.

West Coast are still going to need to need to replace McGovern, Kelly, Ryan, Cripps in a few seasons. Richmond do likewise with Lynch, Broad, Nank, Vlaustin, McIntosh, Short.

 

[freo1]

We see Richmond are setting up well and regenerating their list

Yze isnow a mature coach and appears to have a well organised structure

They were certainly well organised against Carlton

 

[Scotland]

Well the hawks rebuild was interesting. Clarko thought at the end of 2016 that he had one more shot. The hawks traded their 2017 1st rounder and finished bottom 6. Made top 4 in 2018, finished outside the finals in 9th in 2019 then bottom 4 in 2020. Hawks traded in heavily in 2016 and 2018.

Eagles had a similar path. Eagles traded heavily in 2019 to get tim Kelly. Eagles made finals in 2020, finished 9th in 2021 then bottom 4 in 2022.

What on Earth?

There is no similarity between WC and Hawthorn.

WC traded for a 25 year old All Australian midfielder. I said repeatedly it was a shit trade for an overrated player that won't look as good outside the Geelong system and will be our third best mid behind Yeo and Shuey and was (annoying) proven right. But the only change from the 2019 side that made the semi final to 2020 was Kelly in for Masten and Willie Rioli's suspension ruled him out for 2020/21 also. WC just fell in a giant hole from the second half of 2021. If we didn't do the Kelly trade and had late teens picks in 2019 and 2020 we would still be as shit as we are now, all other things being equal.

Crazy Clarko traded out Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis in 2016 after Brian Lake and David Hale had finished up in 2015. Hodge and Gibson retired in 2017. In the space of 2016-18 they added Vickery, O'Meara, Tom Mitchell, Henderson, Impey, Scully, Wingard then later took a punt on Jon Patton and Frosty. It was a bizarre period where they thought they were so awesome they could replace 300 game HOF calibre players with whoever was available at the time and bypass the draft. I said it would be a disaster, it was, and in the last couple of years their off field moves have been elite and after looking like they were going nowhere they have I think now won 17 of the the last 20.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Westcoasts issues are cultural, a bit like Carlton. Richmond's is personel