The 'Recruit'

[getgaff]

Relieved that Cisco is gone and that there was 2 players delisted last night. When I initially checked and thought only Waylen had been de listed I couldn't believe it.

Next to go should be Paddy, but i haven't seen enough of his footy skill to say if it's a guarantee or not.

Manson unfortunately doesn't have the mental side to play at the highest level which cuts up his self esteem to. Would be a very good state level player but unsure if an AFL side would take the risk unless a rookie list pick is on the table. Even during his interview last night I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I could sense that he'd given up on any AFL career and was happy just to play state league like WAFL or VFL if his currently in the VAFA

 

[Kram]

Yeah maybe Waylen should look at playing WAFL or something, there's always the chance of getting picked up later when he matures a bit.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I think Moreland included Jackal because he probably knew that Voss wasn't going to delist him when compared to the International recruits.

I think pretty much all of the pure footballers on the show want the international recruits gone.

Disagree. He voted for him in his three as well. As more and more footballers are going off every week, we're quickly being left with just serious guns. I thought the coaches said something about Jackal at the VFL training that wasn't too flattering, but it might have been Semmel.

 

[Underdog]

Disagree. He voted for him in his three as well. As more and more footballers are going off every week, we're quickly being left with just serious guns. I thought the coaches said something about Jackal at the VFL training that wasn't too flattering, but it might have been Semmel.

They said Semmel doesn't have the cardio. They semi attributed it to his illness.

 

[Ahern2Boof]

Agreed with Waylen's comments. He's not going to get drafted on the back of his paddling ability, so why delist him because of it? If he can't push through on the training track, then fine, but don't cut him loose when he is in a totally foreign environment struggling to do something 90% of the population would struggle to do if having a go for the first time, especially with the attitude improvements he's made recently. I was really starting to warm to him.

 

[master bate]

Updated rankings
1. Wagner - unchanged
2. Goss - Showed some leadership and responsibility
3. Moreland - despite the night on the piss he played a good game and still seems some what draftable
4. Maxwell - big jump by this guy after a promising game and seems to do a lot of things right
5. Foster - good game and he's not getting any smaller or less athletic
6. Manson - made a selfless call at the end but disappointed the captains pressure got to him on field. He should've tore that game apart
7. Semmel - drops a couple of spots because at his age if he's not dominating the whole thing he won't win it
8. Lucey - pick him up a spot by the default that they aren't saying bad things about him
9. Jackel - isn't getting any taller or younger as the weeks go on
10. Cisco - he's big, but slow, possibly unfit and where's the desperation?

1. Wagner
2. Moreland - moves up after showing his physicality
3. Maxwell - another who's following coaches instructions, young and athletic
4. Goss - drops as he's not doing enough to standout
5. Foster - The last big man, not sure he's type A enough for AFL
6. Semmel - age and talent still a concern
7. Lucey - doesn't have the fitness, but size and international prospect must give him some chance
8. Jackel - short and old

Double evictions from here on in seem the go. We seem to know almost as much about these guys as they are willing to show us. And it doesn't look like they're going to have many more games of proper footy against decent opponents to show us footy skills and when they have it's been so edited anyway.

 

[master bate]

Agreed with Waylen's comments. He's not going to get drafted on the back of his paddling ability, so why delist him because of it? If he can't push through on the training track, then fine, but don't cut him loose when he is in a totally foreign environment struggling to do something 90% of the population would struggle to do if having a go for the first time, especially with the attitude improvements he's made recently. I was really starting to warm to him.

It's paddling on a board. Anyone with any swimming ability can have a go at it. It's not like the other guys were too flash. And sure the ocean is scary if you aren't familiar with it, but even more reason to work really hard to stick with the group. Plus if he could do everything else they asked without whinging they would let him off the paddling. He simply doesn't have the drive to become an AFL footballer and considering his background it's not a knock on him, he's just coming from a whole different world. What he needs to do is stick it out in Melb/Perth/Adel to acclimatise to city living and familiarise himself more with what the AFL would take whilst playing footy in a decent league. He could probably use the networks from this show to find him a job and set him up for a season of footy somewhere (he was playing VAFA A grade a few weeks ago). A 10 week reality show was never going to be long enough for a guy who walked out on day one of draft camp to get used to AFL standards.

 

[Bailey01]

Should not have delisted Waylen, has so much upside and potential

 

[EssendonNick]

I don't think Waylen has given up on AFL.
Doubt he would be sticking around Melbourne playing Ammo's just for fun.

 

[Allikat]

I'm kinda glad Waylen was delisted. He seems like he'd put in the type of effort that we saw from Melbourne/Collingwood on the weekend, where if the going gets tough, just give up because there's no point in trying. He could be the most skillful footballer in the world, but his attitude to life is pretty weak. Sure, paddling's not going to get him drafted, but it's going to increase his fitness.

Foster's ball skills looked a bit dodge in the VFL training. He's certainly not a natural at the game, and I'm not sure how far he could make it given he could end up a liability if being rested anywhere on the ground other than in the ruck.

Maxwell is looking pretty good for a non-footballer (come to freo). He's starting to look better than some of the guys that have played footy all their lives (come to freo).

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Agreed with Waylen's comments. He's not going to get drafted on the back of his paddling ability, so why delist him because of it? If he can't push through on the training track, then fine, but don't cut him loose when he is in a totally foreign environment struggling to do something 90% of the population would struggle to do if having a go for the first time, especially with the attitude improvements he's made recently. I was really starting to warm to him.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not so much that he found it too hard and pulled out; it's that it seemed to take about 10 minutes to convince him to have a go at pretty much anything besides playing football. It's a shit attitude, especially considering the context of the competition (where every misstep will naturally be magnified). And even given all of that, he didn't get booted off. At the end of the day, he booted himself off.

 

[Kram]

It's paddling on a board. Anyone with any swimming ability can have a go at it. It's not like the other guys were too flash. And sure the ocean is scary if you aren't familiar with it, but even more reason to work really hard to stick with the group. Plus if he could do everything else they asked without whinging they would let him off the paddling. He simply doesn't have the drive to become an AFL footballer and considering his background it's not a knock on him, he's just coming from a whole different world. What he needs to do is stick it out in Melb/Perth/Adel to acclimatise to city living and familiarise himself more with what the AFL would take whilst playing footy in a decent league. He could probably use the networks from this show to find him a job and set him up for a season of footy somewhere (he was playing VAFA A grade a few weeks ago). A 10 week reality show was never going to be long enough for a guy who walked out on day one of draft camp to get used to AFL standards.

Agree, sure it wouldn't have been easy at all but if he gives up that quickly how the hell do people think he would go getting through an AFL preseason?? Only way I would understand quitting was if he couldn't swim well and couldn't take the anxiety of being out in open water or something..

 

[Swanny36]

I really do wish they'd (the AFL and clubs themselves) put as much effort in to acclimatizing indigenous kids as they do with "transforming" international players that have no idea just because they're tall and can jump.
So sick of seeing athletes rather than footy players.

 

[strobe00]

Manson unfortunately doesn't have the mental side to play at the highest level which cuts up his self esteem to. Would be a very good state level player but unsure if an AFL side would take the risk unless a rookie list pick is on the table. Even during his interview last night I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I could sense that he'd given up on any AFL career and was happy just to play state league like WAFL or VFL if his currently in the VAFA

agree really.

I find it hard to believe waylen could be happy playing in an afl club.

Can see him being happy playing at district or even state level, but an afl club is a very different kettle of fish. It's an all the time commitment and involves a lot of stuff that is pretty unpleasant... waylen seems like a genuinely nice, friendly bloke that just likes to get along with people.

Reckon he'd be happier not playing in the afl at all.

 

[campbell]

Agree, sure it wouldn't have been easy at all but if he gives up that quickly how the hell do people think he would go getting through an AFL preseason?? Only way I would understand quitting was if he couldn't swim well and couldn't take the anxiety of being out in open water or something..

I wonder how most here would have been in a similar situation. Where he came from had never seen the ocean. He cant swim. Imo he did great.

The only one there with any idea on leadership. He put himself in the week before as he was captain and shared a room with the guy who had stayed out late . He gets responsibility and team.

Shame the show was culturally insensitive and set him up to fail. Poor bloke. Shamed him on national tv. Blackfella shame cuts real deep.

That feedback stuff is crap . People with agendas thrive whilst quiet achievers get targeted.

 

[mike91]

Should not have delisted Waylen, has so much upside and potential

Hes not mentally strong enough, not having a go at the lad, it's just the truth.....plus his fitness is piss poor.

 

[goodie23]

Waylen just didn't want to be there, he was tired, sore and mentally drained. In a proper AFL environment he might reach his potential but not on a circus TV show where they're deliberately exploiting and probing for weakness.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Waylens the only one of these battlers who has the tools to ever be an AFL success. Doesn't have the mental side, but the other player don't have the athleticism / size / talent.

 

[GWSP]

Shame the show was culturally insensitive and set him up to fail. Poor bloke. Shamed him on national tv. Blackfella shame cuts real deep.

What the?

From the very start players and staff alike have shown nothing but support and encouragement for him. More than any other played recieved. He's a grown man in 2014. Nobody made him go on the show.

 

[Powerstufff]

Does anyone know how this draft night thing is going to work?

No. What interests me is that the winner of this show is guaranteed an AFL spot. How is that engineered? Does the winner get put in the draft pool and everyone cross their fingers he gets picked up? And if he doesn't is he put onto a selected club's list for say a 4th round pick? And if so how is that club selected? I'd say there may be an arrangement with Collingwood given a couple of instances of them being involved in this show.

 

[Powerstufff]

Waylan obviously must be a pretty good bloke and can obviously play given the guy's reactions and comments when he left.
He just isn't mentally tough enough, from what the show portrays anyway.
Was very surprised Moreland wanted to trade Waylan for Jackal though. Jackal seems pretty well liked and always seems to go pretty well in the games, maybe there is a little dislike there or something?

Chris Moreland is playing this with a straight bat. All his comments and decisions are based on who he sees as worthy of an AFL spot, he is pretty much ignoring success/failure in the reality show side of things. You'd have Nathan Jackel captaining your local team in a heartbeat but at 26 in the midfield he would have a short AFL career. Waylan Manson looks good enough in snippets that he is probably draftable even now. Would be funny if he put his name forward and got picked up regardless.

 

[loki04]

Waylens the only one of these battlers who has the tools to ever be an AFL success. Doesn't have the mental side, but the other player don't have the athleticism / size / talent.

Wagner clearly does, I'd also argue from an athletic stand point so too does Maxwell.

 

[loki04]

No. What interests me is that the winner of this show is guaranteed an AFL spot. How is that engineered? Does the winner get put in the draft pool and everyone cross their fingers he gets picked up? And if he doesn't is he put onto a selected club's list for say a 4th round pick? And if so how is that club selected? I'd say there may be an arrangement with Collingwood given a couple of instances of them being involved in this show.

Any club can select them but if no one does the winner is guaranteed a spot as a cat 2 rookie with reportedly Collingwood or GWS neither confirmed.

 

[Wiz_23]

Given he put himself in the bottom three two weeks in a row, I think its pretty clear Waylen just didn't want to be there.
That being said, having a go at him for quitting on the paddle board is real stiff. The blokes barely been in the ocean and he's asked to paddle 4kms in to shore. He would have gone about 1 km before his body shut down and from that far out it would have looked like he hadn't made it any closer at all.
Given his swimming ability that would have been like asking some of the others to paddle 6 km's and I guarantee a few more would have quit if they had to paddle that far.

In the end none of them were good enough at the challenge! these players clearly don't have the skills to be stand outs in the AFL so surely they would need to rely on fitness to make it and compared to the AFL elite their fitness is very average.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Really?

You dont think AFL players need to be good at being in the spot light at crown for gala events? More to AFL than just footy

The guys that are going to be about 40th in the pecking order on the list, if they're lucky? Not really.

I imagine clubs don't typically take prospective rookie listers to Crown to walk the red carpet just to see how they respond, mainly because it falls into the category of 'common sense'. About 95% of AFL players are never going to be walking the red carpet at the Brownlow.