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The number of players over 30 in the league has steadily risen in the last 20 or so years. According to AFL tables in 1995 there were 57 players over 30, and 457 between 20-29. Last year there were 110 over 30, and 491 between 20-29, so the proportion over 30 has almost doubled. The average age has climbed to almost an all-time high of 25.6 - in 1995 it was 24.3. The all-time high was in the late 1920s where it hit 25.9 for a couple of years before dropping sharply

Interestingly, in historic terms the average age of the league has RISEN during stable periods of growth, then fallen during periods of expansion:
  • In 1897, the average age was 23.1 --> this rose to a mini-peak of 24.4 in 1907.
  • Then expansion hit (Richmond and University) and the average dropped to 23.9 in 1911
  • It rose again to a peak in 1921-22 and stayed above 25.6 until 1924
  • Expansion in 1925 (Hawthorn, North, Bulldogs) saw it fall quickly to 24.2 in 1928
  • Average age actually stayed quite constant right through the 1930s and 1940s but fell sharply post-WWII in the early 1950s. There was a likely a player drought due to war losses (both deaths and careers) and depression era lack of babies
  • The low point was actually 22.6 in the mid 1960s. Average age stayed low right through that period. Interesting that this was also a very odd period in terms of team success (with St Kilda, Footscray winning their only premierships for a long time, Collingwood and Melbourne dominating then beginning long droughts, etc)
  • From about 1968 (about 22 years post-WWII and once the baby boom starts to hit) average age rises consistently to a new peak from 1983-86
  • Expansion hits (West Coast and Brisbane) - average age immediately drops, then rises. The 90s is actually quite stable with expansion (FReo, Port) balanced by contraction (Fitzroy).
  • Slow rise in the 2000s to a new peak (24.4) in 2007-8.
  • Dropped after expansion in 2010-11 to 24.0
  • Has risen since, much more than it did in the 90s and 2000s though

I think it reasonable to conclude two things from this:
1. The average age across the league heavily reflects the size of the player pool relative to the number of teams. Expanding the league = more teams = younger players have to fill the gap. Post-WWII and depression also saw this ratio skewed. In contrast, if there is a long period without expansion the average age tends to increase as the league/player pool grows
2. All other things being equal, this has been more drastic in the 2010s and 2020s, with more players carrying on into their 30s than previous eras, with the only exception being the 1920s.

Another quite worrying thing is that the last time we hit this level of average age it seemed to create the conditions necessary for a horrendous economic collapse, followed by a catastrophic global war. Given some of what is happening in other parts of the world right now that is quite concerning!
 
The number of players over 30 in the league has steadily risen in the last 20 or so years. According to AFL tables in 1995 there were 57 players over 30, and 457 between 20-29. Last year there were 110 over 30, and 491 between 20-29, so the proportion over 30 has almost doubled. The average age has climbed to almost an all-time high of 25.6 - in 1995 it was 24.3. The all-time high was in the late 1920s where it hit 25.9 for a couple of years before dropping sharply

Interestingly, in historic terms the average age of the league has RISEN during stable periods of growth, then fallen during periods of expansion:
  • In 1897, the average age was 23.1 --> this rose to a mini-peak of 24.4 in 1907.
  • Then expansion hit (Richmond and University) and the average dropped to 23.9 in 1911
  • It rose again to a peak in 1921-22 and stayed above 25.6 until 1924
  • Expansion in 1925 (Hawthorn, North, Bulldogs) saw it fall quickly to 24.2 in 1928
  • Average age actually stayed quite constant right through the 1930s and 1940s but fell sharply post-WWII in the early 1950s. There was a likely a player drought due to war losses (both deaths and careers) and depression era lack of babies
  • The low point was actually 22.6 in the mid 1960s. Average age stayed low right through that period. Interesting that this was also a very odd period in terms of team success (with St Kilda, Footscray winning their only premierships for a long time, Collingwood and Melbourne dominating then beginning long droughts, etc)
  • From about 1968 (about 22 years post-WWII and once the baby boom starts to hit) average age rises consistently to a new peak from 1983-86
  • Expansion hits (West Coast and Brisbane) - average age immediately drops, then rises. The 90s is actually quite stable with expansion (FReo, Port) balanced by contraction (Fitzroy).
  • Slow rise in the 2000s to a new peak (24.4) in 2007-8.
  • Dropped after expansion in 2010-11 to 24.0
  • Has risen since, much more than it did in the 90s and 2000s though

I think it reasonable to conclude two things from this:
1. The average age across the league heavily reflects the size of the player pool relative to the number of teams. Expanding the league = more teams = younger players have to fill the gap. Post-WWII and depression also saw this ratio skewed. In contrast, if there is a long period without expansion the average age tends to increase as the league/player pool grows
2. All other things being equal, this has been more drastic in the 2010s and 2020s, with more players carrying on into their 30s than previous eras, with the only exception being the 1920s.

Another quite worrying thing is that the last time we hit this level of average age it seemed to create the conditions necessary for a horrendous economic collapse, followed by a catastrophic global war. Given some of what is happening in other parts of the world right now that is quite concerning!
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The number of players over 30 in the league has steadily risen in the last 20 or so years. According to AFL tables in 1995 there were 57 players over 30, and 457 between 20-29. Last year there were 110 over 30, and 491 between 20-29, so the proportion over 30 has almost doubled. The average age has climbed to almost an all-time high of 25.6 - in 1995 it was 24.3. The all-time high was in the late 1920s where it hit 25.9 for a couple of years before dropping sharply

Interestingly, in historic terms the average age of the league has RISEN during stable periods of growth, then fallen during periods of expansion:
  • In 1897, the average age was 23.1 --> this rose to a mini-peak of 24.4 in 1907.
  • Then expansion hit (Richmond and University) and the average dropped to 23.9 in 1911
  • It rose again to a peak in 1921-22 and stayed above 25.6 until 1924
  • Expansion in 1925 (Hawthorn, North, Bulldogs) saw it fall quickly to 24.2 in 1928
  • Average age actually stayed quite constant right through the 1930s and 1940s but fell sharply post-WWII in the early 1950s. There was a likely a player drought due to war losses (both deaths and careers) and depression era lack of babies
  • The low point was actually 22.6 in the mid 1960s. Average age stayed low right through that period. Interesting that this was also a very odd period in terms of team success (with St Kilda, Footscray winning their only premierships for a long time, Collingwood and Melbourne dominating then beginning long droughts, etc)
  • From about 1968 (about 22 years post-WWII and once the baby boom starts to hit) average age rises consistently to a new peak from 1983-86
  • Expansion hits (West Coast and Brisbane) - average age immediately drops, then rises. The 90s is actually quite stable with expansion (FReo, Port) balanced by contraction (Fitzroy).
  • Slow rise in the 2000s to a new peak (24.4) in 2007-8.
  • Dropped after expansion in 2010-11 to 24.0
  • Has risen since, much more than it did in the 90s and 2000s though

I think it reasonable to conclude two things from this:
1. The average age across the league heavily reflects the size of the player pool relative to the number of teams. Expanding the league = more teams = younger players have to fill the gap. Post-WWII and depression also saw this ratio skewed. In contrast, if there is a long period without expansion the average age tends to increase as the league/player pool grows
2. All other things being equal, this has been more drastic in the 2010s and 2020s, with more players carrying on into their 30s than previous eras, with the only exception being the 1920s.

Another quite worrying thing is that the last time we hit this level of average age it seemed to create the conditions necessary for a horrendous economic collapse, followed by a catastrophic global war. Given some of what is happening in other parts of the world right now that is quite concerning!
When did the League change rules that prevented under 18s from playing.
 
A generation of players will only know of Richmond as a competent club.

World has gone woke and mad.
Yeah but at least that generation has never seen Essendon win a final
 

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Another quite worrying thing is that the last time we hit this level of average age it seemed to create the conditions necessary for a horrendous economic collapse, followed by a catastrophic global war. Given some of what is happening in other parts of the world right now that is quite concerning!

I always had the feeling the average age of AFL players would be a political tracker akin to the Pizza Index.
 
Footy has less thuggery so thats a nice by product.

The notable one on OPs list for me is Blicavs, been thumped around in the ruck and still a dasher.

Mids and forwards running around and cop some, eg Danger is a battering ram, but the "athletic" rucks would be the most hit.
 
LeBron (probably finished now), Curry and Durant still at the top of their game.

The others are washed up and have been for a number of years.
Obviously not at their peak anymore but washed up is harsh.
Did you see Westbrook in the last game against Thunder ? Far from washed up.
 

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Good thread.

Our 4 flag sides spread roughly across 3 eras.

1992: Oldest player 30, average age 24y165d, average games played 80 (skewed a bit by starting in 1987)
1994: Oldest player 30, average age 25y119d, average games played 100
2006: Oldest player 32, average age 25y83d, average games played 121
2018: Oldest player 32, average age 26y107d, average games played 121

Shannon Hurn was nearly 36 in his last game and if we weren't such a dumpster fire I reckon he could've played another year. Josh Kennedy was nearly 35. Dean Cox and Darren Glass were 33, Luke Shuey 33, Jeremy McGovern and Jamie Cripps still going at 33, Jack Darling still going at 33 for North.

Going back to previous eras and Peter Matera and David Hart played until they were 33 but it was rare for anyone to go past 31/32. Tom Barrass was 29 when traded as a valuable asset you expect to get 4-5 years of good footy from. Feels like it wasn't that long ago that trading a first round pick (admittedly not projected to be a great one) for a guy that age was madness.

Having now lived through my own early 30s at very much the not elite level of sport I can understand why the Boomer Harveys and Scott Pendleburys just keep playing each year like nothing has changed while someone like Daniel Kerr can be elite at 28/29 and retired at 30. It's not linear. Of all the players to fall off a cliff in their 30s I never would've picked Andrew Gaff who was a consistent performer year after year but it happened.
 

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Yeh I get it but Westbrook is no longer a superstar and hasn't been for years.
Wouldn't even be close to top 50 in the league now.
I think you might have misunderstood me. He has superstar status in the game, as do the likes of Harden, CP3 etc. and still playing decent as we have just witnessed.
 

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