The Rendell Fiasco

[jenny61_99]

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Robbo says his take on it is that misfud offered Matt's comments as an example to the afl and they demanded to know who said it.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

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I hope that at any further AFL meetings whether it's coaches, CEO's, development managers, recruiters, player welfare managers... whatever, that we just sit there mutely and run out the clock.

 

[TheTonic]

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If that's what he was trying to convey then why did it pop-up in a forum about aboriginals and why did he bring aboriginals into it?

It seems to me that what he was trying to convey is that aboriginals with two aboriginal parents are prone to serious socials issues and homesickness etc. and therefore a risk to recruit. It's a stupid thing to apply in a recruiting context and even more stupid to say. Every person should be judged on their own merits and merits don't need to be pre-judged before interacting with the person. "Who are their parents?" is a stupid way to begin assessing a persons character.

I wont defend his comments as they are absolutely shocking. The prime issue is in the hypocrisy of how the AFL has executed this guy on this particular issue when they have stage managed so many other issues to suit their own agenda.

I only wish the AFL could have handled this in private through counseling, or further conversation. There is no scandal here... recruiters in any profession make the same assessments on behaviours, risks associated with all people from all backgrounds.... drugs, violence, abuse, socioeconomics, discipline, social issues. It's a touchy topic but I think society is ready enough to handle the debate in a more mature fashion.

Imagine being Matt Rendell right now having lost your job and prospect of employment for an ignorant comment made in private. A comment that when looked at reflects peoples everyday logic playing the game of life... managing risks and rewards.

 

[ManInTheArena]

If one man says, 'The stats show that Irish players are disproportionately more likely to return home before completeing a full career of senior footy after being drafted', is that racist?

No, but that's not what Rendell said, it has nothing to do with retention statistics (they are undeniable). It is to do with assessing a persons character based on their parents skin colour. You don't need to do that, you can just assess the persons character. You can't throw a blanket over certain races because of statistics and use it to judge individual persons, it's disgraceful.

 

[OldCrowBloke]

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Looks like you are having a tough night Stabby.
Hang in there and keep up the good work.

 

[Damp Squarie]

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Standby for an aboriginal lad (s) to be drafted next draft period; to demonstrate Adelaides position on this

 

[Wood_Duck]

I hope that at any further AFL meetings whether it's coaches, CEO's, development managers, recruiters, player welfare managers... whatever, that we just sit there mutely and run out the clock.

My earlier point, never tell the AFL anything ever again.

Furthermore, I hope the AFC are now an open book on anything ever discussed by the AFL.

 

[ManInTheArena]

I wont defend his comments as they are absolutely shocking. The prime issue is in the hypocrisy of how the AFL has executed this guy on this particular issue when they have stage managed so many other issues to suit their own agenda.

I don't know that it was the AFL that did the executing. Rendell has been unprofessional on many occasions and whilst we enjoy his "straight talk", it is not usualy a good thing for the club. I think Trigg was sick of him blabbing to be honest, and I wouldn't blame him if this was the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[Wood_Duck]

I don't know that it was the AFL that did the executing. Rendell has been unprofessional on many occasions and whilst we enjoy his "straight talk", it is not usualy a good thing for the club. I think Trigg was sick of him blabbing to be honest, and I wouldn't blame him if this was the straw that broke the camels back.

Come on, you made that up.

 

[BACCS]

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The guy he told it to was a good mate of his from his coaching time at the Saints, so it is an absolutely disgraceful break of trust from that ****wit who leaked a private conversation to the media. Shows you can't trust anyone these days if in a high profile position, words just aren't safe anymore in any forum.

 

[fatbarber]

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Damn! But he was good at his job! I suffer from the same curse - "BIG MOUTH SYNDROME"
So now we get some flake that is politicly correct and drafts sh%*

 

[spenze]

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Triggy and the Chapman are a joke . Lets ask Chapman the bank guru how many aboriginals work in his organisation.

Meh, Chapman isn't a joke, not in any sense.

I can assure you right here and now the bank doesn't have a " don't employ unless one parent is white" policy. He was on the original advisory board that helped with ST George banks Cape York project to help bring a greater knowledge of the fianancial world to people who have largely been forgotten by the business world.

Rob is a top bloke and would be gutted over this incident but his hands would have been tied the second Matt opened his mouth. His comments weren't fit in the business world full stop

 

[Gets!]

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I am upset for Rendell.

There is absolutely no chance this bloke is racist.

There is no actual proof of the quote, it was just information being passed on. How do we know that this Misfud character got the quote word for word?!

If he was indicating what the future might be like if the issues weren't addressed, then I don't see what he has done wrong.

I am actually devo.

 

[CroCop]

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Meh, Chapman isn't a joke, not in any sense.

I can assure you right here and now the bank doesn't have a " don't employ unless one parent is white" policy. He was on the original advisory board that helped with ST George banks Cape York project to help bring a greater knowledge of the fianancial world to people who have largely been forgotten by the business world.

Rob is a top bloke and would be gutted over this incident but his hands would have been tied the second Matt opened his mouth. His comments weren't fit in the business world full stop

Dont change the topic please, we know the dont draft unless he is half white related to Aboriginals. You are correct Chapman would not have a "don't employ unless one parent is white" policy but ask yourself how many aboriginals does he have in his organisation.
Plus Triggy used Petrenko and McLeod as examples of aboriginals the club recruited , but they both have a white father exactly what Rendell was referring to.

 

[Glenno23]

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Yes had to go ......the meeting was on a sensitive issue given recent Jurrah events and trends in issues. It required a sensitive response not an honest response.

That said, MR makes a racist remark and is sacked ..... a player makes a racist comments and he goes to mediation

Me thinks double standards

But his position was untenable now. Imagine if he stayed on (after mediation) what Aboriginal kid would want to be recruited by him?

As most here, i'm more angry at him being thrown under the bus. Shouldn't have said it, (or could have worded it better) but he has paid for his honesty with his job and livelihood

 

[BACCS]

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Robbo says his take on it is that misfud offered Matt's comments as an example to the afl and they demanded to know who said it.

The AFL have lost a lot of respect from me today. Despite other people not being their biggest fans, they have always had my support, but this is absolutely pathetic.

 

[spenze]

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Dont change the topic please, we know the dont draft unless he is half white related to Aboriginals. You are correct Chapman would not have a "don't employ unless one parent is white" policy but ask yourself how many aboriginals does he have in his organisation.
Plus Triggy used Petrenko and McLeod as examples of aboriginals the club recruited , but they both have a white father exactly what Rendell was referring to.

Rob only works for the bank in an advisory board member role, so it is a tough one to answer. I would suggest to you if someone from HR came out in the press and said what Matt said for the bank, they'd be sacked.

It sucks, it truly does that Matt is gone but no one is going to want to be associated with those comments.

I agree with your last bits about Triggy, he was grasping at straws to dis associate himself and in doing so, made himself look stupid.

As far as Rob goes, as incredibly smart as he is, I can't imagine him even concocting a defense for Matt

 

[relapse]

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But his position was untenable now. Imagine if he stayed on (after mediation) what Aboriginal kid would want to be recruited by him?

As most here, i'm more angry at him being thrown under the bus. Shouldn't have said it, (or could have worded it better) but he has paid for his honesty with his job and livelihood

I totally agree, every recruiter would have a risk management strategy when it comes to recuiting as there is an expectation on the recruiter to deliver quality players that will become long term servants at the club. Essentially their reputation and career are totally dependant on it, so there are obviously going to be some external factors outside of a player's football ability that will influence his draft position.

It would be naive to think that any AFL recruiter wouldnt have some degree of personal bias in their selections, but as someone said above Rendell has always come across as someone who says more than he should and possibly speaks without thinking and he's ultimately paid the price for it.

 

[DaftPunk]

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Good to see our club and Trigg inparticular have no backbone. Whilst they had to sack Rendell they could have atleast stood up for their own club employee's right to confidentiality. This has been a witch hunt over a single comment and it's left everyone as the loser. Misfud for one should be sacked, how can any club work with this man with any honestly. Also loved the McLeod & Petrenko examples, Trigg ya muppet!

 

[King Elvis]

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1) stupid thing to say to Jason Mifsud

2) disgraceful conduct by Misfud to ask for feedback on a particular issue because they have concerns about what going on, to then dob them in and leak info from a private official AFL meeting

3) good luck getting Clubs to honestly discuss why there are changes in recruiting now without fear of being hung out to dry

4) Clearly inspired by Jurrah, Taylor, Wonna, Sampi, Rioli and all the other examples lately, in a risk business you can't be surprised that they weigh up all risks, regardless of how unsavoury it may be. Don't ask Don't tell will be the next AFL mandate.

5) What would the AFL have done if he said 'I don't recruit Irish kids because in 25 years they've all been shit bar 2 and its an expensive waste of time'?

6) he did the right thing and resigned, so the CLub weren't forced to sack him but if I were Triggy privately I'd be taking a sledgehammer to Vlad for making it a story. They could have handled it behind closed doors, now the AFL have a PR nightmare cos they know that a number of Clubs are expressing concern.

Strong post.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

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Why?
Trying to think about the background of a player is quite logical.

It's the strong tradition of the Aboriginie culture that's a worry. THey put family before everything. Some believe 'walk about' is a neccessary thing in their life.

If you were tossing up a player who might want to do that, and a player that doesn't, which would you take if they were equal?

Why take an equal player when they might go hate the seperation from the family and want to leave after 1 year?

The events at home have a high impact on their thoughts, and it could distract their football.

Look, I agree that clubs should think about all the impacts of someones background might have on a player, it makes recruiting from abroad (be it the outback or be it from Ireland) risky.

What I disagree with, is letting this out of the recruiting department at any one club.

This would obviously have a negative impact if it reaches the open, but it's a very serious topic that needs to be considered, racist or not.

You cannot seriously believe these comments???

People need to realise there is no such thing as half aboriginal or any other fraction you like,if a person recognises themselves as aboriginal then they are. If quoted correctly what Rendell said was incredibly racist and of course the AFL wanted action taken.

Why would having one white parent give the player any less "Aborigine culture"?? And "walkabout" was a racist myth that my grandparents generation believed back in the day come on it's 2012. Macca's Aboriginal culture is extremely well documented, he is a proud aboriginal.

Hopefully a club legend such as Graham Johncock, who by the way has two aboriginal parents, isn't truly gutted by this undercurrent of racism that may just be present at AFC!!

 

[BACCS]

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Strong post.

And a very good and truthful one. It is amazing how people always demand the truth, but then slaughter someone when they give it. Funny world we live in...

 

[BACCS]

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Hopefully a club legend such as Graham Johncock, who by the way has two aboriginal parents, isn't truly gutted by this undercurrent of racism that may just be present at AFC!!

You did seriously not just post that. The AFC wouldn't have sacked Rendell that quickly if they were the ones who held the views, and Rendell just towed the clubs line. That is probably the most pathetic post so far in this thread, and there have been a shit load of bad ones. Stiffy, like most proud aboriginals, would clearly be worried about what is happening with indigenous drafting, but he would also know Rendell is no racist.

The AFC have been one of the strongest recruiters on indigenous talent for christ sakes, so keep that shit 'everyone is racist if they bad mouth an aboriginal' attitude to yourself next time.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

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And a very good and truthful one. It is amazing how people always demand the truth, but then slaughter someone when they give it. Funny world we live in...

You did seriously not just post that. The AFC wouldn't have sacked Rendell that quickly if they were the ones who held the views, and Rendell just towed the clubs line. That is probably the most pathetic post so far in this thread, and there have been a shit load of bad ones. Stiffy, like most proud aboriginals, would clearly be worried about what is happening with indigenous drafting, but he would also know Rendell is no racist.

The AFC have been one of the strongest recruiters on indigenous talent for christ sakes, so keep that shit 'everyone is racist if they bad mouth an aboriginal' attitude to yourself next time.

Didn't you just commend someone for posting a truthful post?

I'm sure WheresGroomgone was being very honest and truthful.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

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You did seriously not just post that. The AFC wouldn't have sacked Rendell that quickly if they were the ones who held the views, and Rendell just towed the clubs line. That is probably the most pathetic post so far in this thread, and there have been a shit load of bad ones. Stiffy, like most proud aboriginals, would clearly be worried about what is happening with indigenous drafting, but he would also know Rendell is no racist.

The AFC have been one of the strongest recruiters on indigenous talent for christ sakes, so keep that shit 'everyone is racist if they bad mouth an aboriginal' attitude to yourself next time.

What so he can make a ridicously stupid and racist remark outlining the head of recruitings thoughts and there's no need for concern?

How are AFC the strongest recruiters of indigineous talent get a grip -compare our history with the mob down the road for starters then have a look at some of the Victorian clubs then get back to me!

If Rendell made these comments, which by the way I am incredibly disappointed in because so far he appears to have done quite well, then yes he is being racist -it's not that hard to work out.