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Good work Medusala and funky freo. Free trade is not only good in theory it's good in practise.

To help a previously proseprous industry SHORT TERM through a tough time like drought or temporary market glut is one thing.To prop up inefficient industries over a long period is illogical and I can't believe the self appointed BF doyen of logic BB is arguing for it.
 

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funkyfreo said:
I've been tossing up trying to drag the libs to the left, Labor away from the unions, or the greens to the centre. Any help appreciated?
I would suggest you would have more chance with the Democrats (which is where Don Chipp intended them to be). I suspect lots of people would like an economically sensible party having a "social conscience" with the balance of power. The alp has some dubious economic policies and is beholden to the unions, whilst Howards arch conservatism annoys the hell out of a sizeable minority. Why the Democrats want to take on the greens for the hard left vote rather than get disenchanted "wet" liberal voters is beyond me.
 

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medusala said:
We actually wouldnt need to create that many jobs.
You're arguing a different argument that FF.

FF wants each country to focus on producing goods that they have a comparitive in. That means no car industry and outsourced IT and the end of a heap of other industries.

If the world was to do what FF wants them to do, it won't work.


Its nothing to do with being right wing. Communism denies individual freedom and choice. Its an appalling system in theory let alone practice and plenty of others ie Catholics for starters would agree.
It depends on how you percieve the theory. I've never said anything ever that should give you any indication whatsoever that agree with the negative aspects of communism. So basically on the subject of communism, ggf.
 

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bunsen burner said:
You're arguing a different argument that FF.

FF wants each country to focus on producing goods that they have a comparitive in. That means no car industry and outsourced IT and the end of a heap of other industries.

If the world was to do what FF wants them to do, it won't work.
This is such a poor summary of what I think I don't know where to start. OUr industries will do whatever the economic ebbs and flows of free trade encourage them to do, which is pretty much the same as what happens now. Look at the Kodak plant closing, ok that is due to the digital revolution I think, but that is just businesses following the path to maximum profit. That IMO is what businesses do best and should be encouraged to do.

Anyway, not only do I have Medders on side for a change (or actually would be truer to say Medders has me on side because this is a deviation from typically lefty thought I admit, but reasonably in line with what I would have thought Medders would think), but I also have this guy:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1220395.htm

Annan says rich nations must tackle poverty for peace
United Nations secretary-general Kofi Annan has warned the world's richer nations they will have to do more to tackle poverty if they want to live in peace and security.

Speaking in Dublin in the Irish Republic, Mr Annan said the developed nations had to live up to their promises on aid, debt relief, and FAIR TRADE..

Sorry, was that a major world leader saying that TRADE can lead to PEACE... Fool.

Sadly I assume you already hate the UN so it may not carry much weight.
 

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This is such a poor summary of what I think I don't know where to start.
It's not a poor summary at all. You want global free trade so that countries can produce what goods they have a comparitive advantage with. Your reasoning was so that all countries have a fair go and for 'world peace'.


Annan says rich nations must tackle poverty for peace
United Nations secretary-general Kofi Annan has warned the world's richer nations they will have to do more to tackle poverty if they want to live in peace and security.
The UN wants rich nations to fix poverty in poor nations when the UN themselves are corrupt and only thinking of themselves. Bit rich.


Speaking in Dublin in the Irish Republic, Mr Annan said the developed nations had to live up to their promises on aid, debt relief, and FAIR TRADE..
Fair trade and free trade aren't the same thing. Free trade is far from what I expect you would class as 'fair'.

Sorry, was that a major world leader saying that TRADE can lead to PEACE... Fool.
Who's the fool? He said nothing about free trade and the trade you are talking about.

Sadly I assume you already hate the UN so it may not carry much weight.
I don't hate them at all. It some ways they are good, in some ways they are bad (corruption), and in someways they are redundant (Iraq).
 
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