Analysis The Richmond dynasty

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Ron The Bear said:
It's a surprise, he's had a very solid year without starring. Was told he needed to improve overhead and has pretty much eliminated the Homer Simpson bumbles. Good size, runs all day, strong as an ox, rarely beaten one on one - he's an awkward customer and has limited some good opponents. Sat out the VFL premiership last year to be an emergency for the AFL GF and there was talk of him going to Freo. Stuck around, copped a syndesmosis injury early in the year, rewarded with a second premiership and a Kevin Bartlett Medal (previous best finish of 14th). The man has character.

As one of three players who didn't miss a game, Short was always going to fare well, but to actually win is a bit of a shock. Some thought he should've made the AA squad; I had him down as only our fifth-best defender.

The tally is skewed somewhat by Prestia/Edwards/Houli/Nankervis missing big chunks of the year. We were fortunate these players returned in good enough nick to make important finals contributions; couldn't have won without them.
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What is it with Richmond players losing favour, getting dropped, then coming back and playing absolutely rock solid (if unspectacular) footy in premiership years lol? Ellis last year, McIntosh this year, even Broad - who I thought wasn't in our best 22 when dropped, but was was wrapped when he was brought in for Chol and was a big part of flag no 3.
 
Roylion said:
No they didn't. They didn't take Fitzroy's 1996 Best and Fairest Martin Pike, they didn't take the second in the Best and Fairest Matthew Primus or Fitzroy''s top goalkicker Anthony Mellington. Matthew Dent, Stephen Paxman and Rowan Warfe went on to have good careers at other clubs...in fact better post-Fitzroy careers than Brad Boyd (retired 1999), Simon Hawking (who never played an AFL game after Fitzroy), Nick Carter, Scott Bamford and Shane Clayton.
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The point I'm making is that Brisbane were given a leg up by getting to pick 8 of the best players from another team, not that Fitzroy had no other good players.
Roylion said:
on average 20%-30% of their list was actually from their home state, unlike most AFL clubs who had between 50-60% of their list from the state they were located in.

they had a retention allowance because that would allow Brisbane to pay their players more, have more gun players than other clubs, and therefore have a relatively higher likelihood of onfield success, to better ensure the game could be grown in a rugby state, and lo and behold it worked a treat, just as it did for Sydney.
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RichLeMonde said:
What is it with Richmond players losing favour, getting dropped, then coming back and playing absolutely rock solid (if unspectacular) footy in premiership years lol? Ellis last year, McIntosh this year, even Broad - who I thought wasn't in our best 22 when dropped, but was was wrapped when he was brought in for Chol and was a big part of flag no 3.
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Yeah it's a familiar pattern. They nearly always return as better players. The coaches must be presenting it as an opportunity rather than a punishment.

Bolton was dropped this year, but have read that it was to "re-tool" him for playing in the midfield. Makes sense since 7 goals in 4 games to that point had him equal with Butler, Greene and Ryan.

Similar happened with Caddy last year when he returned on a wing, and Baker in the backline. Rioli was dropped also and returned to his previous role, but in better form.

Broad fared poorly in the b&f where most of us thought he'd had a good year, so there might be something going on there.

Just need Stack to catch on...
 
Nice gesture by Richmond (other sides would also have possibly done this as well) to take off their Premiership medals when they escorted GAJ off the field as well. Nice to see real sportsmanship in an era of ego's and $$. Not many will receive that honour, just shows his standing in the game.
 
Ron The Bear said:
The tally is skewed somewhat by Prestia/Edwards/Houli/Nankervis missing big chunks of the year. We were fortunate these players returned in good enough nick to make important finals contributions; couldn't have won without them.
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Just on Nankervis, it doesn't get a lot of scrutiny, but Sydney letting him go has to be one of the monumental trading blunders in recent years. I nearly fell over when I saw he's just turned 26. Already three premierships in the bag now. Just trundles along all day, getting the job done. As elegant as a Bulgarian mud wrestler but bloody effective.
 
Partridge said:
Just on Nankervis, it doesn't get a lot of scrutiny, but Sydney letting him go has to be one of the monumental trading blunders in recent years. I nearly fell over when I saw he's just turned 26. Already three premierships in the bag now. Just trundles along all day, getting the job done. As elegant as a Bulgarian mud wrestler but bloody effective.
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Bulgaria mud wrestlers, not so inelegant. (Google it if you don't believe me) 0197.jpg
 
Partridge said:
Just on Nankervis, it doesn't get a lot of scrutiny, but Sydney letting him go has to be one of the monumental trading blunders in recent years. I nearly fell over when I saw he's just turned 26. Already three premierships in the bag now. Just trundles along all day, getting the job done. As elegant as a Bulgarian mud wrestler but bloody effective.
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They had Naismith, Sinclair and Tippett at the time and acquired Darcy Cameron while letting Nankervis go. He looks like a bit of a plodder but has picked up the thread from Maric before him - just a very determined competitor who can be dominated by more athletic opponents but will still be chugging along at the end of the game. Reilly O'Brien ran rings around him early and got Brownlow votes, but Nank trundled home over the top. Received few plaudits but had an outstanding last three finals after lowering his colours against Brisbane.

Don't think I've ever heard him speak! Just does his job.
 
Ron The Bear said:
They had Naismith, Sinclair and Tippett at the time and acquired Darcy Cameron while letting Nankervis go. He looks like a bit of a plodder but has picked up the thread from Maric before him - just a very determined competitor who can be dominated by more athletic opponents but will still be chugging along at the end of the game. Reilly O'Brien ran rings around him early and got Brownlow votes, but Nank trundled home over the top. Received few plaudits but had an outstanding last three finals after lowering his colours against Brisbane.

Don't think I've ever heard him speak! Just does his job.
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Never seen a footballer more suited to the word "trundled". It's exactly what he does though.

Tough as nails too. You always know when a ruckman lays a big tackle (like he did on Guthrie) the team lifts. And his last quarter against Port was immense.
 
Partridge said:
Never seen a footballer more suited to the word "trundled". It's exactly what he does though.

Tough as nails too. You always know when a ruckman lays a big tackle (like he did on Guthrie) the team lifts. And his last quarter against Port was immense.
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10 tackles against Port, those big bodied Port mids aren't as big when your Ruckman can tackle.
 
Grrr said:
10 tackles against Port, those big bodied Port mids aren't as big when your Ruckman can tackle.
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Rates highly for "pressure acts" which Naitanui is (rightly) lauded for. He and Soldo had the better of NicNat in the West Coast game.

There was some pretty derogatory commentary about him in the last game against Adelaide. Maybe BT is still miffed about being given the brush-off in 2018.

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What I find interesting is that in all 3 grand finals, once Richmond took the momentum of the game they didn't hand it back. Not for a minute. I can't remember even a 5 minute spell where the Crows, Giants or Cats even remotely looked like wrestling back momentum in any of those games.

They finished the 2017 final on a 93-33 run after the Crows took an early 27-15 lead.
They finished this years GF on a 68-15 run after the Cats took a 35-13 lead.
The entire Giants game was one way traffic.

Whether they took control in the first quarter (Giants), the second quarter (Crows) or the third quarter (Cats), there was absolutely no answer for them.
 
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Partridge said:
Just on Nankervis, it doesn't get a lot of scrutiny, but Sydney letting him go has to be one of the monumental trading blunders in recent years. I nearly fell over when I saw he's just turned 26. Already three premierships in the bag now. Just trundles along all day, getting the job done. As elegant as a Bulgarian mud wrestler but bloody effective.
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Yes I love the undervalued big men at richmond. Nank and ivan Soldo are two of my faves, just stepping up whenever it really matters
 
Underarm said:
Ruck aside, Rance has Mal Michael and Leppa covered. 5 All Australians and Best and Fairest, Was still at his peak when he retired.

Riewoldt has Lynch covered (brown the other KPF). More goals in an era where goals are harder to come by. 3 Colemans, 9 club goalking v 4, 3 AA v 1, 2 B&F to 0. Coleman, AA and B&F in a Minor premiership year in 18 so you can't say he hasn't contributed to the Dynsasty like some people like to claim.

Martin on the Half forward line, and Cotchin pushes Akermanis to the other Flank. Edwards has Notting covered.

Johnson Rance Houli
Vlastuin Leppitch Ashcroft
Edwards Cotchin Lappin
Martin Brown Akermanis
Power Riewoldt Keating
Nankervis Voss (c) Black
Pike, Hart, Prestia, Grimes

12 Lions, 10 Tigers. How did I do?
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For me
Johnson Michael B Scott
White Leppa B Scott
Dusty Ashcroft Lappin
Aker Brown Prestia
Riewoldt A Lynch Power
Keating Voss Black
Hart Houli Pike Rance
 
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Partridge said:
Just on Nankervis, it doesn't get a lot of scrutiny, but Sydney letting him go has to be one of the monumental trading blunders in recent years. I nearly fell over when I saw he's just turned 26. Already three premierships in the bag now. Just trundles along all day, getting the job done. As elegant as a Bulgarian mud wrestler but bloody effective.
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Not really a blunder, Buddy’s exorbitant salary squeezed him (and others) out.
 
Partridge said:
That looks amazing for Richmond and Gale, and not so amazing for football "journalism".

Have to ask Lyon if he's been embarrassed by anything in the last 10 years now.
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at the time the criticism was ridiculous anyway. the membership and playing finals goals were pretty reasonable even at the time, and setting a goal of 3 flags within 10 years is ambitious but again not stupid for any club given 10 years is basically a generation of players and hence an entirely new team. its as if clubs shouldnt be setting goals to attain. im sure he would have copped just as much if he said 'we just want to do as best as we can'.
 
mikey127 said:
For me
Johnson Michael B Scott
White Leppa B Scott
Dusty Ashcroft Lappin
Aker Brown Prestia
Riewoldt A Lynch Power
Keating Voss Black
Hart Houli Pike Rance
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Lol you really hate All-Australians don't you?

Hart over Cotchin

Mal Michael over Grimes

Pike over Shane Edwards

Scott over Houli

Sorry mate that is a joke team
 
maskmcgee said:
Daniel Rioli worst triple premiership player of all time? Done literally nothing for four season except play in 3 GFs.
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All I got from that was Daniel Rioli blah blah blah triple premiership player.

Shweeeeet!!!
 
Tigerandy63 said:
All I got from that was Daniel Rioli blah blah blah triple premiership player.

Shweeeeet!!!
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These clowns still don't get it after 4 years do they? Richmond couldn't give a crap about cheap stats, our stats are all about chases, run downs, taps, tackles.

People need to go watch that 3rd quarter again, he might not have got many possessions but was partly responsible for a couple of costly turn overs and stopping cats momentum.

People can keep thinking he is crap, while we can keep on winning flags.
 
Partridge said:
No surprise on this year's form to see Martin, Vlastuin, and Bolton up there, but how much has McIntosh improved? Bloody hell.

Great effort by Short.
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Highlights the value placed on the role players perform in the team. McIntosh's role is crucial in pushing back hard and then running forward even harder. He, Pickett and Lambert are critical to our defensive & offensive structures.
 
RichLeMonde said:
The point I'm making is that Brisbane were given a leg up by getting to pick 8 of the best players from another team, not that Fitzroy had no other good players.
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And the point I'm making is that Brisbane did not take Fitzroy's best players as claimed. Their right to pre-select eight players from Fitzroy's 1996 list was based on list structure and age demographic, not who was the necessarily the best player. Otherwise their selections would have been different.

And indeed it was with your club's approval and indeed initiative that Brisbane was granted first access to eight of Fitzroy's players. Richmond themselves made a merger proposal to Fitzroy in 1996 in order to gain themselves the same if not greater privileges.

RichLeMonde said:
Yes they had a retention allowance because only on average 20%-30% of their list was actually from their home state, unlike most AFL clubs who had between 50-60% of their list from the state they were located in.
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