The rise of fascism

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They were socialists. No rational person would say otherwise. Its the hopeles bastardisation of a term, just as "liberal" now is used to described very illiberal policies. May as well argue Trotsky wasnt a communist because Stalin had him killed.


"Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight."

"…we can see the commencement of our own national and socialist survival in an alliance with a truly national and socialist Russia."

"One class has fulfilled its historical mission and is about to yield to another. The bourgeoisie has to yield to the working class ... Whatever is about to fall should be pushed. We are all soldiers of the revolution. We want the workers' victory over filthy lucre. That is socialism."

Communism was the number 1 enemy for the NAZI party mate....They blamed the Reichstag fire on them (One of the seminal false-flag events that kicked off the war) & eventually lost the war on the Russian front to them, in attempting to take both Leningrad & Moscow.

The NAZI war-machine was bank-rolled by Western bankers & industrialists for just such a purpose.....Similarly, the Bolsheviks were also backed by Western banking interests, in inaugurating the Communist coup in Russia, as Solzhenitsyn has exposed well enough....Both of them play-things in social experimentation for the banking & industrial elites, by which to make trillions of $$$ from.
 

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Wrong. Two of the first three I checked were protestants. so I stopped there. Where do you get your information from?
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Von Ribbentrop was about the only one. power base was munich and hence catholic. The Prussian aristocracy on the other hand were nearly all Protestant.

The Military and Hitler came to an agreement. they met, negotiated. They were political allies..

Not sure about that. They put up with him to start with. See Canaris and later on Rommel. The argument is made is that despite so many hating him Prussians didnt rebel against the chain of command. Might be rubbish but thats the usual argument.
 
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So what? Who was Stalins no 1 enemy? Ditto Lenin and Mensheviks

They were pitted against each other by the wealthy industrialists m8.

We know that they were both totalitarian regimes.....The kind favoured by the corporate set to maximize profits & maintain a check on populations, all the while bringing in the wealth for the few at the top....Both regimes came about due to $$$ backing from western industrial & banking houses.

At least Orwell was sharp enough to see that there was fundamentally no difference between either.....and who it was that was profiting by it & who it was who paid the price.....Moderate Democratic Socialism has always been the enemy & bane of the establishment sect.....Problem is, it's a real leveller & creates fluidity for the upwardly mobile to move up & for the incompetent to become bankrupt.....Can't have that.

The Oligarchical establishment is a boys club, who rig the game in their favour every chance they get....And they're currently running amok.
 

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For the Russian side of the equation try Solzhenitsyn….For the German side try Prescott Bush & go from there.....And Yes, that's grand-pappy Bush my friend.

Try reading a decent book, not conspiracy nonsense

Wages of Destruction by Tooze for example (kindly recommended to me by someone on here - apologies for forgetting who it was)
 

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Try reading a decent book, not conspiracy nonsense

Wages of Destruction by Tooze for example (kindly recommended to me by someone on here - apologies for forgetting who it was)
every book comes with an angle

your books do as well
ultimately you can see leftism and rightism is the same thing

they both end up totalitarian

they start off gentle and they keep growing because panta rhei
 

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Von Ribbentrop was about the only one. power base was munich and hence catholic. The Prussian aristocracy on the other hand were nearly all Protestant.
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Well for starters I provided evidence the at least two were and neither was Ribbentrop So your claim is completely and utterly busted. Add admission of error would be nice. But no you come back with some vague statement where you are watering it down "about the only one". I proved you wrong in black and white. I strongly suspect a majority of the cabiet were non-catholics, but the religion is not readily available for most of them, but those with origins in Prussian lands outnumber Bavarian.

The Initial cabinet only included 3 Nazis. Ribbentrop did not actually join the cabinet till 1938,

But why on earth is it an issue? How many of the nominally catholic Nazis were church goers in any real sense anyway? Prussian military aristocratic disdain for Nazis is much more likely on class basis than religion.


Not sure about that. They put up with him to start with. See Canaris and later on Rommel. The argument is made is that despite so many hating him Prussians didnt rebel against the chain of command. Might be rubbish but thats the usual argument.

It's well documented. Hitler and the army Generals met several times. While some were opposed to him, there were others who were happy to work with Hitler. Blomberg was certainly a supported of Hitler, but not the SA.

Rommel was Hitler's favorite whose rise is almost solely due to Rommer's cultivation of Hitler's patronage.

https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-and-the-reichswehr/
 

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Israel took Palestine neighbourhood by neighbourhood, thanks mainly to it's Mussolini Italian fascist trained Irgun & Stern gangs.

Source for this claim? I would have thought far more of the Jewish extremists were trained by teh British, either the Special Night Squads under Windgate, the liaison during the war for stay behind commandos, or teh many who juoned the Jewish brigade during the war. This would have dwaf any Italian training which I have not heard about before and would like to see some evidence to support.
 
you don't have to wear a swaztika to be a fascist and wearing one doesn't make you a fascist
it's a symbol as old as time



https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/symbol-swastika-and-its-12000-year-old-history-001312


like I said most people have no idea what fascism is


can you tell us what fascism is? lol
If you’re wearing a swastika in the same fashion as the Nazis did, you’re telling everyone you’re a Nazi.

Look at that picture and tell me that loser isn’t wearing it to communicate “I’m a Nazi.”
 

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If you’re wearing a swastika in the same fashion as the Nazis did, you’re telling everyone you’re a Nazi.

Look at that picture and tell me that loser isn’t wearing it to communicate “I’m a Nazi.”
look I just showed you the swastika doesn't necessarily mean fascism
no matter what you're saying
what I asked you is to explain fascism to us!
you keep skirting the question..

is you are wearing a hammer and sickle you're a Soviet Stalinst
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what is fascism?
 
look I just showed you the swastika doesn't necessarily mean fascism
no matter what you're saying
what I asked you is to explain fascism to us!
you keep skirting the question..

is you are wearing a hammer and sickle you're a Soviet Stalinst
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what is fascism?
“Keep skirting the question?” Why do you want a definition from me? Google it. Wikipedia.

Here’s the simple truth: you walk around with a swastika on your arm, you’re a neo-Nazi loser.

Incredible that you are trying to say there might be some other reason a dude would walk around with a Nazi emblem on his arm.

Elaborate social experiment? Pull the other one.
 

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I think it's you that's skirting the question
you know it

The thing is hardly anybody knows what fascism is from all sides

so the word gets used very liberally and in ways that's mutated from its correct definition

you're a classic example of someone who doesn't know the definition and uses the word because of uniforms or how the media likes to use it!

no fault of yours

you just never cared enough to do some homework

not all fascist wear swastika and often those that do don't understand fascism

those that call Nazism/ fascism usually have no clue

I know you are getting defensive here but hey!


would be nice if people learnt about the similarities between far right and far left
 
I think it's you that's skirting the question
you know it

The thing is hardly anybody knows what fascism is from all sides

so the word gets used very liberally and in ways that's mutated from its correct definition

you're a classic example of someone who doesn't know the definition and uses the word because of uniforms or how the media likes to use it!

no fault of yours

you just never cared enough to do some homework

not all fascist wear swastika and often those that do don't understand fascism

those that call Nazism/ fascism usually have no clue

I know you are getting defensive here but hey!


would be nice if people learnt about the similarities between far right and far left
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Fascism
 
I've noticed of late that as conservative politics globally lurches further right there's been this somewhat comical attempt to rebrand Nazism as some sort of left wing creation.
Trying to externalise the ugliest portions of their beliefs. It must be exhausting.
 
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