The rise of fascism
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I want you to define it
you have explained it to us so we know you comprehend what it means
showing me a definition I understand doesn't mean you understand it or can define it!
for the purpose of this exercise I wish to see if you understand what a fascist actually is.
cut and pasting a link isn't the same thing
mate
you're twisting things
I asked you because you pretend thet uniforms is fascism
that's what you said.. clearly you have no idea
if you see Antifa dressed in black masked and holding batons threatening violence and burning those they don't like
would you call that fascism,?
or must they wear a swaztika and that's the only difference between them and the skinheads?
One says it's leftist though the other doesn't
so I'm asking you if you know what you're talking about
not what I'm talking about.
clearly you have no idea what fascism really is..
was Gandhi an ultra nationalist Indian fascist?
is India and Pakistan fascist'?
are the Kurds fascist ultras?
was Fidel an ultra nationalist fascist?
can go on and on
do they have ultra nationalism in Japan where they don't take in refugees or foreigners to the same degree as say America does under Trump?
what's right and what's left exactly?
what's the difference ?
look you'll need to clarify the ideologies because so far the only thing you have only brought up a many thousands year symbol which was used by countless ethnicities including the Nazis but not Mussolini's fascists
but was also a symbol in India and ancient Greece on countless objects
you'll need to clarify what you mean.
I just came to a realisation.. you don't know do you? you're like the so many others who have no clue what fascism actually is.. it's so liberally thrown around that most people today never bothered to look into the meaning of fascism
but I never expected you to understand what fascism is
Stalin believed in ultra nationalistic Soviet union and he was a leftist..
would you consider a religion to be fascist and ultra nationalistic ultra religious
say the Jews in Israel
or the Buddhists in Myanmar
or countless Islamic countries?
just a few clues to ponder.. when talking about fascism and it's morphing definition
now you might want to use a footnote * and say this isn't exclusively fascism or its it's a very narrow definition of fascism because it included this or that blah blah
but if the definition is not defined carefully and precisely,n why call it fascism?
is it perhaps a buzz word reshaped for more effect?
then you need to ask why are we twisting it to begin with?
might it be to hush people's thoughts and speech because we are liberal and very tolerant except we don't like ideas and thoughts that are different to our own?
( Nazis thought this way too fyi)
is this it?
you're twisting things
I asked you because you pretend thet uniforms is fascism
that's what you said.. clearly you have no idea
if you see Antifa dressed in black masked and holding batons threatening violence and burning those they don't like
would you call that fascism,?
or must they wear a swaztika and that's the only difference between them and the skinheads?
One says it's leftist though the other doesn't
so I'm asking you if you know what you're talking about
not what I'm talking about.
clearly you have no idea what fascism really is..
was Gandhi an ultra nationalist Indian fascist?
is India and Pakistan fascist'?
are the Kurds fascist ultras?
was Fidel an ultra nationalist fascist?
can go on and on
do they have ultra nationalism in Japan where they don't take in refugees or foreigners to the same degree as say America does under Trump?
what's right and what's left exactly?
what's the difference ?
look you'll need to clarify the ideologies because so far the only thing you have only brought up a many thousands year symbol which was used by countless ethnicities including the Nazis but not Mussolini's fascists
but was also a symbol in India and ancient Greece on countless objects
you'll need to clarify what you mean.
I just came to a realisation.. you don't know do you? you're like the so many others who have no clue what fascism actually is.. it's so liberally thrown around that most people today never bothered to look into the meaning of fascism
but I never expected you to understand what fascism is
Stalin believed in ultra nationalistic Soviet union and he was a leftist..
would you consider a religion to be fascist and ultra nationalistic ultra religious
say the Jews in Israel
or the Buddhists in Myanmar
or countless Islamic countries?
just a few clues to ponder.. when talking about fascism and it's morphing definition
now you might want to use a footnote * and say this isn't exclusively fascism or its it's a very narrow definition of fascism because it included this or that blah blah
but if the definition is not defined carefully and precisely,n why call it fascism?
is it perhaps a buzz word reshaped for more effect?
then you need to ask why are we twisting it to begin with?
might it be to hush people's thoughts and speech because we are liberal and very tolerant except we don't like ideas and thoughts that are different to our own?
( Nazis thought this way too fyi)
is this it?
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'The people' never handed over anything.....There was no vote on it.....The government merely took it, via the contradicting of the Constitution in the passing of the Patriot Act & the resultant cessation of Habeus Corpus.
Now that's fascism.
Still wanted for your I was wrong concession statement.
I mean going around correcting people's mis conceptions about history takes time, and you want something for nothing. Pay the ferryman. Darn why do capitalists always want something for nothing?
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It's only those who would see a circumstance where someone utilises an advantage or opportunity needing to be reined in by the greater whole that see socialism as requiring big government. The presence of incarnation facilities is evidence of human beings not working on the same set of rules.
Socialism is literally the state owning and controlling the mechanisms of the economy.
A communism village doesn't scale up to nation or global levels. Humans are wired to prioritise their immediate groups above those of the unknown other and once that village has gotten too big everyone doesn't know everyone anymore. Those people over the hill can get stuffed, our children are eating etc
Simply not true. You do not get to absolutely define socialism for your own.
yeah sure thats the way communists parties went and they get a lot of stick for that from others on the left well before their theories got practice that the megalithic state was a possible and undesirable outcome.
how Can socialism not be big govt when everything is provided by govt?
yeah I thought you were out of your depth in all this..
on the patriot Act both sides have used it and in Obama's case added powers to it
The fact that there was no vote to it is argued that America voted for Bush and Obama who then increased the levels of power over their citizen
The bigger the govt the more laws.. the more laws the bigger the govt etc
The more laws the less liberty for the individual as electric fences are placed all around you
you can see that in our govt
Read some books. I not going to type in essays to explain socialism to you,
It's about some sort of economic/decision making equality and equity there are lots of ways that could be done. Co-operatives would be one way. I live in rental co-operative were all members are both landlords and tenants. We manage, pay rates, handle maintenance, select new tenants, fund and install improvements like solar power. There are ways of organizing things in a socialist without having the government do everything.
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How do you deal with those people who choose to utilise an opportunity or advantage to benefit their immediate group over the mass other?
That can range from working harder to produce more food and hoarding that surplus to grow fat off all the way to selling their cupcakes for $1 extra during times of increased demand.
That can range from working harder to produce more food and hoarding that surplus to grow fat off all the way to selling their cupcakes for $1 extra during times of increased demand.
that's not socialism buddy lol
you're not paying for the running of the nation
that's nothing more than a housing colony
you can't run a nation like you do your block of flats
show me the example of it in a large scale
yeah human behaviour gets down to culture
I'm not saying aspects of socialism aren't good
but if you're cherry picking it's not really socialism
humans need to strive to create a world where the culture of what the Greeks called ' philotimo' outweighs the greed
hard when both left and right ( the circle) both pander to markets and banks
capitalism in its purist sense is great also
for instance.. who hasn't been to third world market where people buy their products and sell to others for a profit?
what we have isn't capitalism as such it's corporatism
when corporatism takes over it sinks it's teeth in and then suddenly we have" too big to fail"
so the govts prop them up from failing.. which is then not a libertarian market or free enterprise but corporate socialism
therefore the merger between the govt and corporations.
then you're heading to fascism whether it's ' left' or ' right'!
big govt is a killer!
and no your tiny housing set up isn't socialism
Sigh. You now we have a Government now, I'm not saying you can abolish the government. Just there are ways of organizing and doing things with either the government of business. I'm giving a concrete real world example of how you can have socialist organiuszation run something.
there are some pretty big co-operatives out there. Dairy Framers, Murray Goulburn are co-operatives.
https://www.thenews.coop/49090/sector/view-top-300-co-operatives-around-world/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cooperatives
errrrr can't have socialism without a bloated govt
and a bloated govt ushers in an even more bloated govt with all the laws that snowball with that
essentially that's socialism
and a bloated govt ushers in an even more bloated govt with all the laws that snowball with that
essentially that's socialism
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Were cooperatives
Dairy Farmers got bought by National Foods who are now Lion, which is owned by Kirin (the beer company in the Mitsubishi keratsu)
Murray Goulburn died this year when it was taken over by the listed Canadian dairy company Saputo
Yeah shoddy research.
So? there are large co-operatives. It is possible to organize large organizations without being 9a) teh government and (b) a capitalists company.
Now large human organizations have a tendency to be problematic. Here are inefficiencies, corruption, failures and occasionally bad behavior.
But are you serious saying that there ate no large co-operatives and that they do functional in the real world? That there is no other possible way of organizing things other than total free market capitalism and total monolithic government control?
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There still are large farmer owned coops, but the universal challenge they face is access to capital.
Most aust dairy coops fell directly or indirectly to this issue
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