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theyellowsash

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The problem is that Channel 7 and the AFL would be acutely aware of which games rate best.

So what this tells us is that a shit Essendon still gets more viewers than a good St Kilda.


And people wonder why the AFL did their best to cover up the Essendon drug scandal.
And that broadcast money helps keep a shit off field stkilda afloat
 

deck

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The only late Sunday game is the away game against Freo so it’s more Freo fans again being lumped with the worst time slot. Not just for kids either, most people work on Monday morning.

Watching on TV is fine in my opinion and do think they need to spread the games out. Every team should get 1 Friday night & 1 late Sunday game minimum.
It's a 3.20 start in Perth. Both Carlton and Melbourne games are 3.20pm starts with work days the following day. Weird manipulation of start times your using. Local time is the only time reference that is relevant.
 

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Purple Suit

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It's a 3.20 start in Perth. Both Carlton and Melbourne games are 3.20pm starts with work days the following day. Weird manipulation of start times your using. Local time is the only time reference that is relevant.
What’s your point, that’s the time slot they are giving us over here. Doesn’t change anything, it’s still the worst one.

Freo have played 6/9 games on Sunday with 3 the last game on Sunday. Add in next week and it’s 7/10 & 4 late slots. So not exactly fair considering the “new” rolling fixture is making it worse.

Friday night games are earlier too and hard to get to without leaving work early, not that we have to worry about that time slot much.
 

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What’s your point, that’s the time slot they are giving us over here. Doesn’t change anything, it’s still the worst one.
You wrote that Collingwoods Sunday games are all early slots while Fremantle get all late slots. Are you arguing for TV or for attendance.

The simple fact a game starting in Melbourne at 3.20pm has the same effect on supporters attending as a 3.20pm wa time has on supporters in Perth attending.

As for TV the later in the day it is better for overall viewer numbers.
 

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And that broadcast money helps keep a shit off field stkilda afloat
Agreed.

Of course the counter argument is that if <insert any small shitty club's name here> was handed the exposure that an Essendon, Richmond or Collingwood get, they would actually be able to build a large supporter and sponsor base.

But for the AFL, their current model works and is why St Kilda, Gold Coast, North, Bulldogs etc. can exist. So why change it? And also, it would take years for these clubs to even get close to the big clubs.

The catch is that it compromises the comp to a large degree. That's the trade off.
 
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theyellowsash

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Agreed.

Of course the counter argument is that if <insert any small shitty club's name here> was handed the exposure that an Essendon, Richmond or Collingwood get, they would actually be able to build a large supporter and sponsor base.

But for the AFL, their current model works and is why St Kilda, Gold Coast, North, Bulldogs etc. can exist. So why change it?

The catch is that it compromises the comp to a large degree. That's the trade off.
I don't think the 'lack of exposure' thing exists, at least for vic clubs. They've been around for 100+ years, everyone knows them. Being on TV doesn't correlate into money direct to the clubs.

The reason those clubs have struggled is historically poor game attendance and membership. Coupled with some shocking off field management. The docklands stadium thing was a bad deal, but its not like the smaller clubs were getting 40k to every game either.

For the smaller clubs to survive, afl money is needed. And for the afl to get the money, they need to leverage the TV rights deals. The only way the programming of the popular games over the better games will happen, is if people stop watching. But as long as they'll get 500k essendon supporters instead of 300k stkilda supporters, that won't happen.
 

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It's a pretty decent point. Why are they inflicting 3 consecutive Essendon Friday night games on us? That's inclusive of a game against West Coast and West Coast shouldn't be playing on a Friday night.

Embarrassing fixturing from the AFL.
In fairness that’s the second Friday game so it’s getting shoved onto Fox + Optus was unavailable for the Sunday arvo spot due to State of Origin.
 

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You wrote that Collingwoods Sunday games are all early slots while Fremantle get all late slots. Are you arguing for TV or for attendance.

The simple fact a game starting in Melbourne at 3.20pm has the same effect on supporters attending as a 3.20pm wa time has on supporters in Perth attending.

As for TV the later in the day it is better for overall viewer numbers.
I just stated the current completed games & how fair they are, you got angry about kids being mentioned and have moved into some other agenda. You’re clearly not in a good mood after Fridays game.
 

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I imagine Essendon games still rate well.
I just don’t buy that. Ratings each week would not be dominated by a certain clubs supporters. By far and away the most viewing eyes on a Friday or Saturday night will come from the general footy public who just want to watch a good game.

Australia is not Italy where half the country supports Juve.
 

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I just don’t buy that. Ratings each week would not be dominated by a certain clubs supporters. By far and away the most viewing eyes on a Friday or Saturday night will come from the general footy public who just want to watch a good game.

Australia is not Italy where half the country supports Juve.
Yep agreed
 

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Even though it was scheduled in before the season started, and leading up to the game the Adelaide v Port Showdown on a Friday was looking a stinker based on form but it turned out as another classic match but the fact that they couldn't even give the very first Fri Night Showdown it's own free air and had another game on at the same time totally sums up how much the broadcast arrangements stink
 

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thedank

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Essington have been rubbish for years, how they continually get primetime slots beggars belief
 

t_94

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You could get Kayo for free for a whole year recently so FTA isn’t the issue. The complaint is being fair and giving all fans access to nice time slots when they can attend games. Sunday arvo sucks due to kids and school on Monday.
What is this Helen Lovejoy narrative about children and attending football games?

I think little Johnny will still be ok to do finger painting if he gets home from the footy at 8:00 o'clock on Sunday night.
 

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I don't think the 'lack of exposure' thing exists, at least for vic clubs. They've been around for 100+ years, everyone knows them. Being on TV doesn't correlate into money direct to the clubs.

The reason those clubs have struggled is historically poor game attendance and membership. Coupled with some shocking off field management. The docklands stadium thing was a bad deal, but its not like the smaller clubs were getting 40k to every game either.

For the smaller clubs to survive, afl money is needed. And for the afl to get the money, they need to leverage the TV rights deals. The only way the programming of the popular games over the better games will happen, is if people stop watching. But as long as they'll get 500k essendon supporters instead of 300k stkilda supporters, that won't happen.
are you serious?????

1 sponsor -
2 clubs lets use Richmond vs StKilda
Rich opened the season with 5 consec FTA games and of 9 games, only 2 not on FTA and 4 upcoming incl consec Fri/Thurs/Thurs based on the variable fixturing after not even being in the 8 until now
StKilda has had 5 of 9 and 4 to come after being top 6 most of the season
Essendon for giggles 7 of 9 and 3 consec Fri night games upcoming and they've won 2 games.....

why would a sponsor pick StKilda ahead of the other 2 clubs and you don't think that has any impact?
 

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are you serious?????

1 sponsor -
2 clubs lets use Richmond vs StKilda
Rich opened the season with 5 consec FTA games and of 9 games, only 2 not on FTA and 4 upcoming incl consec Fri/Thurs/Thurs based on the variable fixturing after not even being in the 8 until now
StKilda has had 5 of 9 and 4 to come after being top 6 most of the season
Essendon for giggles 7 of 9 and 3 consec Fri night games upcoming and they've won 2 games.....

why would a sponsor pick StKilda ahead of the other 2 clubs and you don't think that has any impact?
why would a sponsor pick stkilda with an average attendance of 25k over richmond with an average attendance of 48k, or essendon with an average attendance of 41k? additionally why would a broadcaster agree to pay the same to show a club like stkilda when they can estimate there may be 50% less market interest.

if clubs like stkilda want to be given primetime games more often, then they need to give up the millions in extra assistance funding they get, which the afl only gets because they can get the biggest broadcast deals by selling the games with the biggest market share. if you want an even playing field then no more handouts.

but i know youre not going to accept that, so just shush while the big clubs earn the money that keeps the smaller clubs solvent.
 

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if clubs like stkilda want to be given primetime games more often, then they need to give up the millions in extra assistance funding they get, which the afl only gets because they can get the biggest broadcast deals by selling the games with the biggest market share.

That's literally what it comes down to.

Those that would rather cut the cash handouts, and cut the fixturing and exposure handouts - are wishing a death knell on their club.

In the time it would take a St Kilda to attract the additional 100,000 supporters they would need to be as financially viable as Richmond, even with Friday night footy every single week for a decade, they'd be broke 10 times over.
 

Romeoh1

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Whoever is selecting which games are played when is having a mare.
For eg.Saints v Geel clearly match of the round-not a Saturday late arvo- Saturday night instead we get swans and bombers/crows and lions. Silly.
And every week they are making a similar mess of it.
 

TheBigHorne

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Essington have been rubbish for years, how they continually get primetime slots beggars belief
It's mainly the media that pumps up their tires or slashes them down so frequently. The media treats Essendon as black and whites and never a shade of gray. This gets people interested so they watch their games and this causes media reports and the cycle repeats.

Just look at how quickly the the media shifted their takes on Essendon between last week and this week.
 

Billy ray

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Hell no
give the suns some friday night games ffs
round 17 v richmond could be for a spot in bottomhalf of the top 8
Qclash at gabba in round 19 also
and maybe round 22 ve geelong
 

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