Mega Thread The SANFL - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Ford Fairlane]

The mods have decided to see how a mega thread on the SANFL - roughly translated the title means 'Who watches the watchmen?' or 'Who will guard the guards?' - will run.

We have had many posts across a number of threads that make a terrific observations of our licence holders and it would be useful to try and keep these comments in one place as a reference point.

This thread seems to form a good basis for that plan and I have asked RussellEbertHandball to add in some posts where he shredded a troll on the main board.

If you know of any relevant posts lost in other threads that you think would fit here please let any of the mods know and we will move it across.

 

[Portia]

This thread seems to form a good basis for that plan and I have asked RussellEbertHandball to add in some posts where he shredded a troll on the main board.

Latin on the Port board. Oh my.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

4 posts in the following thread starting with post # 17 on page 2.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=921647&page=2

Following up from this article



Port Adelaide

ASD Grants since 2006 - $3,250,000
SANFL Grants since 2007 - $14,750,000 (see todays AdelaideNow)
(includes $2 million loan to the SANFL from the AFL in 2010)

Total ASD and SANFL grants: $18,000,000 since 2006

North Melbourne

ASD Grants - $8,400,000

Western Bulldogs

ASD Grants - $10,200,000

Typical Rucci, no good at numbers and extends the commitments of 2012 and 2013 as if they have already been paid by the end of 2011 accounts. Lets compare apples with apples if you are going to compare against other clubs.

Edit: Rucci's $14.75mil is a projection figure for the amount payable up to 2014. They have not given that amount to us. Actually Rucci is just quoting the SANFL report who have projected what they will pay Port by the time we move to AO. See Post #25 for details of that future funding.

The SANFL report says since 2007. The SANFL and Port may have reported $250k stadium grant in 2007 and 2008 in general football income/expenses. There is nothing seperating these amounts in either entities annual reports for 2007 and 2008.



2006
AFL ASD stadium deal grant $250,000
SANFL grants $nil

ASD's in 2006 $5.9mil, WB $1.7mil, NM $1.4mil, Melb $1.0mil Syd $0.50mil cost of living allowance, Hawks, Rich, and Port each $0.25mil + $0.60mil to Telstra Dome tenants. Page 88 2006 AFL annual report.

2007
AFL ASD stadium deal grant $250,000
SANFL grants $Nil

ASD's in 2007 $6.3mil, WB $1.7mil, NM $1.4mil, Melb $1.0mil Syd $0.70mil cost of living allowance, Rich $0.40mil, Hawks and Port each $0.25mil + $0.60mil to Telstra Dome tenants. Page 90 2007 AFL annual report.


2008
AFL ASD stadium deal grant $250,000
SANFL grant $Nil

ASD's in 2008 $7.0mil, WB $1.7mil, NM $1.4mil, Melb $1.0mil Syd $0.70mil cost of living allowance, Carlton $0.6mil Rich $0.40mil, Hawks and Port each $0.25mil + $0.70mil to Telstra Dome tenants. Page 90 2008 AFL annual report.


2009
AFL ASD stadium deal grant $250,000

ASD's in 2009 $6.4mil, WB $1.7mil, NM $1.4mil, Melb $1.0mil Syd $0.80mil cost of living allowance, Carlton $0.6mil Rich $0.40mil, Hawks and Port each $0.25mil. Page 91 2009 AFL annual report.


AFL Facilities Development Reserve grant $1,000,000. NOT AN ASD

Both the crows and port got $2.5mil each from the federal government and $2.5mil each from the state government to build new facilities and both got $1mil from the AFL Facilities Development Reserve.
The AFL allocated $53mil to the Community facilities and stadia fund between 2007-11, according to their Club funding and equalisation strategy 2012-16 presentation to the media 26 September 2011 document. According to the 2007-11 Next Generation Strategy documents dated September 2006, $12.5mil was already committed to 9 Melbourne Clubs before 2007, but for 5 years 2007-11 there was a $62mil budget $47mil for AFL clubs and $15mil for community facilities.

How much of the $53mil/$47mil went to which clubs????

SANFL basic grants $3,500,000
SANFL stadium deal grant $250,000


2010
AFL ASD stadium deal grant $250,000
AFL ASD $1,000,000

ASD's in 2010 $7.1mil, WB $1.7mil, NM $1.4mil, Port $1.25mil, Melb $1.0mil Syd $0.80mil cost of living allowance, Carlton $0.6mil Rich $0.40mil, Hawks and Port each $0.25mil. Page 58 2010 AFL annual report.


SANFL basic grants $1,950,000
SANFL stadium deal grant $250,000

2011
AFL ASD $1,000,000

* AFL scrapped $250k part of ASD and made it $1mil in total

SANFL grants $4,050,000
SANFL stadium deal grant $nil

So over the 6 years 2006 - 2011

AFL ASD stadium deal grant + General ASD $3,250,000
AFL Facilities Development Reserve grant $1,000,000. NOT AN ASD
SANFL basic grants $9,500,000
SANFL stadium deal grant $500,000

Sources
PAFC annual reports 2006 --> 2011
AFL annual reports 2006 --> 2010
SANFL annual reports 2006--> 2010

AFL's Next Generation - Securing the future of Australian Football 2007-11 Presentation for Media September 2006

AFL's Club funding and equalisation strategy 2012-16 Presentation to the Media 26 September 2011

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Facilities Grants to Port Adelaide

Gov - 2009: $5.0 million (Port 2009 Annual Report)
AFL - 2009: $1.0 million (Port 2009 annual Report)
Gov - 2008: $2.5 million (Port 2007 Annual Report)

Wrong you can't read accounts

This bit makes no sense. How can a 2007 annual report show a 2008 government grant?????

Gov - 2008: $2.5 million (Port 2007 Annual Report)[/QUOTE]



Port received $2.5mil in 2008 from the federal government - a Johnny Howard vote buying spree committed in late 2007 but not paid until after 1/11/07 ie the 2008 financial year - which was matched by the state government with $2.5mil in 2008 financial year.

The AFL gave their $1mil grant from the Facilities Development Reserve in 2009.

The new facility was finished in early 2010 for a cost of $6mil.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

You have to read all what Rucci wrote with the funding package that Port + SANFL + AFL + Adelaide negotiated for SA footy in June last year.

SANFL NEWS
30 Jun 2011
SA FOOTBALL COMMISSION NEGOTIATES WAY FORWARD

The SA Football Commission has today announced a range of initiatives negotiated with the AFL to strengthen the position of South Australian football over the next three years.

SA Football Commission Chairman John Olsen said the successful negotiations meant that both South Australian AFL clubs would benefit from improved financial positions as football prepares for the transition to a redeveloped Adelaide Oval. ldquo;The SA Football Commission has been working with both clubs for some time to improve their respective financial positions. It was with a clear vision in mind for the future of South Australian football that we entered discussions with the AFL,” Mr Olsen said.

“The Commission has received the overwhelming endorsement of all the SANFL clubs on its negotiations and the financial outcomes.

“We are pleased the AFL has backed the SA Football Commission’s strategic direction by underpinning the financial position of both clubs with an agreement that is far more advantageous to football than what could have been achieved from traditional commercial markets.”

The details of the agreement are:

•A grant to the Port Adelaide Football Club from the AFL of $1 million for each of the three years (2011, 2012 and 2013)

•A loan to the SA Football Commission from the AFL of $2 million per year for each of the three years (2011, 2012 and 2013) to be provided as grants to the Port Adelaide Football Club, representing a total grant to the club of $9 million over three years

•The AFL to provide a facility for the SA Football Commission to draw up to $1.5 million per year for three years (2011, 2012 and 2013)

•The SA Football Commission will provide a financial package valued at $1 million per year to the Adelaide Football Club over three years (2012, 2013 and 2014), representing a total contribution to the Crows of $3 million.

The agreement is unconditional, with no repayments required prior to a move to a redeveloped Adelaide Oval.

The SA Football Commission has, in its negotiations with the AFL, highlighted the need to invest further in South Australia to grow the game at all levels.

The AFL has indicated that the recent broadcast rights agreement will lead to an increase in dividends to all AFL clubs and an increase in its investment in Game Development, of which South Australia will be a beneficiary.

SANFL NEWS
30 Jun 2011
SA FOOTBALL COMMISSION NEGOTIATES WAY FORWARD



So the AFL lend the SANFL money who don't have to pay the $$ back until they liquidate West Lakes.

But this is the most important part of the announcement.

As part of its strategic direction for South Australian football in the transition to a redeveloped Adelaide Oval, the Commission will also be formally reviewing the structure of the two AFL licences.

This will be undertaken with the AFL and the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs with a timeline of June 30, 2012, for a resolution. Any new licence structures would take effect at the conclusion of a successful transition to Adelaide Oval

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The main issue here is control (I am sure REH and his minions will correct me if I am wrong)

1. The SANFL want funding from the AFL to run the SANFL (like other state leagues get)
2. The AFL will only give funding if the AFL control football in SA (rebadged SAAFL)
3. SANFL will not relinquish control so they get the funding from bleeding both SA AFL licences.

Our licence issues will not be sorted out until points 1 and 2 are resolved.

The SANFL don't want funding to run the SANFL comp and their affairs, they want to stay independent. The same in WA, the WAFC don't want monies to run the WAFL. What the SANFL wants is more of the development monies from the AFL for junior footy.

The 2007-11 Next Generations Strategy set aside $208mil for game development. Around half of that was for NSW and Qld. In the end it was $138mil specifically for juniors Australia wide and $74mil was moved aside for GW and GC and their development as AFL clubs as well as game development in their specific areas.

2012-16 funding is set at $190mil, but once again skewed to the northern markets.

The AFL has told the SANFL to cut the salary cap of the 9 SANFL clubs to bring it into line with the WAFL and VFL. The SANFL refused so the AFL initially decreased game development monies and then over time increased them at a lower percentage than for WA and Victoria. This is the real s**t fight issue about $$$$. But because the WAFL salary cap and VFL salary cap is about 60-70% of the SANFL clubs', the game development $$/participant the AFL distribute in WA and Vic is substantially higher than SA.

The other issue is an ego thing. The AFL want the WAFL and SANFL comp to become AFL WA and AFL SA and take over the running of the game from the two state associations like it has done around the rest of Oz. Both those two state associations have told the AFL to get stuffed. A booming decade long WA economy and a small stadium whereby demand for tickets regularly exceeds supply means the WAFC don't have to worry about their finances as much and can hold the AFL at bay. In SA its the opposite, the economy has been ok for the last decade, but Footy Park has gone past its use by date for many fans are staying away. But the SANFL have the land at West Lakes as their nest egg. The WAFC don't own the land that Subiaco Oval is built on so they dont have that nest egg.

The 2 SA licences will being to be sorted post the 30 June 2012 deadline set out in last years funding package.