2nds The SANFL Thread

[Allefgib]

Glenelg crows? What is this. .. 1991?

 

[AFC979810]

If it's that important, ring your club and tell them that you think they should strongly consider it. By your thinking, the SANFL is stuffed and has no real future as a stand alone comp so you may as well put Glenelg up! Don't see why money should be the issue here, infact, it'd be better for Adelaide to be alligned with a club that is financially strong, has good facilities and has a pretty good relationship with its local council and surrounding neighbourhood.
So Glenelg Crows it is.

The SANFL has a future - just as a 2nd grade competition that doesn't matter to the majority of people and will never return to its previous success. Times change and the SANFL becomes more irrelevant by the year.

I have no problem with Sturt and understand you are passionate about the club. Really I dont care which (or if an) SANFL club became the Crows reserve side, as long as we get one. To me Sturt makes the most sense since they are in serious financial trouble and there are legitimate concerns about whether it can be a sustainable football club moving forward.

You can bang on about me calling Glenelg as much you like. If Glenelg was a serious option I would happily support it become the Crows reserves. To me - Sturt would be the perfect club to become the Crows Reserves.

 

[AdelaideFan14]

Good to see that Atkins got 30 touches on the weekend, even if it was for the Sturt reserves. Must be close to a league recall.

 

[Bob Neil]

I don't like the idea of any of the SANFL clubs being aligned (read: absorbed) by the Crows...they have a rich and diverse history and deserve better I think.

Given they only have nine clubs I think the best/obvious solution is to at least trial (for a season?) a standalone Crows reserves side in the comp...if our list is not long enough then there should be provision to make up the difference with no more than 1-2 players from each of the other teams' reserves/under-age teams.

You could even go a step further and make the Crows team ineligible to win the comp (say they don't get two points for a win) but the result does count towards the other teams' percentages so they would need to treat the games with the right amount of seriousness.

I reckon this would be a reasonable balance between the differing SA football objectives - Crows development and SANFL competition integrity.

 

[Bob Neil]

How might the Crows' reserves side line up (assuming current Crows 1st team and injuries aside)? That would have to be a pretty competitive outfit in the SANFL comp I assume...

F: Callinan - Johnston - McIntyre
HF: Johncock - Orval - Petrenko
C: Martin - Grigg - Henderson
HB: Tambling - Thompson (Luke) - Shaw
FB: Hartigan - Siggins - Jaensch
Foll: Graham - Riley - Crouch
Int: Dowdell - Joyce - Atkins
Sub: Ellis-Yolmen

 

[scoota10]

For those who haven't seen T.Silverlock's mark in the SANFL

enjoy

 

[Magma]

a crows reserves team can play anywhere besides the league competition for all i care. keep the integrity of the competition, not 9 teams interested in a premiership and 1 in player development.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The SANFL has a future - just as a 2nd grade competition that doesn't matter to the majority of people and will never return to its previous success. Times change and the SANFL becomes more irrelevant by the year.

Obviously no big picture comprehension

How about we simply have an U18 comp as the next level down from AFL .....is that a big enough standard gap for you .....or maybe Amateur league should be the next level down

Don't care .....you ought to !!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Good to see that Atkins got 30 touches on the weekend, even if it was for the Sturt reserves. Must be close to a league recall.

He has an X Factor about him

 

[WaynesWorld19]

a crows reserves team can play anywhere besides the league competition for all i care. keep the integrity of the competition, not 9 teams interested in a premiership and 1 in player development.

The voice of reason

I hardly follow local league now .....but lets not do to state leagues what Cricket did to the state comp which is now totally irrelevant other than to provide more jobs at the oval than spectators

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I hardly follow local league now .....but lets not do to state leagues what Cricket did to the state comp which is now totally irrelevant other than to provide more jobs at the oval than spectators

Don't really understand the comment. Shield cricket is what it's always been.

 

[AFC979810]

Obviously no big picture comprehension

How about we simply have an U18 comp as the next level down from AFL .....is that a big enough standard gap for you .....or maybe Amateur league should be the next level down

Don't care .....you ought to !!

So whats this big picture you speak of? A magnificent return to SANFL glory? Crowds of more than 6,000? Memberships of more than 3,000? Clubs being able to survive without Pokie revenue?

In no post have I said get rid of the SANFL. It is needed. The fact remains that it is irrelevant when compared to AFL.

What I want is for our club to be aggressive. We have identified a need for a reserves side. Now I want us to be as ruthless as we need to be in order to make it happen. If we have to take over Sturt then good. If we have to create a new side to enter the SANFL - good. If we think the best option is having a side in the VFL - then do that.

What I don't care about is the history of the SANFL. For me (and 95% of South Australia) it is a faded competition that doesn't really matter.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So whats this big picture you speak of? A magnificent return to SANFL glory? Crowds of more than 6,000? Memberships of more than 3,000? Clubs being able to survive without Pokie revenue?

In no post have I said get rid of the SANFL. It is needed. The fact remains that it is irrelevant when compared to AFL.

What I want is for our club to be aggressive. We have identified a need for a reserves side. Now I want us to be as ruthless as we need to be in order to make it happen. If we have to take over Sturt then good. If we have to create a new side to enter the SANFL - good. If we think the best option is having a side in the VFL - then do that.

What I don't care about is the history of the SANFL. For me (and 95% of South Australia) it is a faded competition that doesn't really matter.

idiot !

 

[AFC979810]

idiot !

It does matter?

Why then are there only 6,000 fans at games? Why are most club memberships at less than 3,000? What games are on big tv stations? Where is the press regarding the SANFL?

Time to face the facts and stop living in 1980.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Agreed AFC979810

I'm a big Sturt fan and still go to games but I think the SANFL clubs are biting off their nose to spite their face. Having a Crow reserves and Port Adelaide aligned team in the SANFL would revitalise it IMO. It would create more interest, fans of both AFL teams would take more interest in how their teams are faring. The states most talented U18's would get opportunities to play alongside a team of AFL listed players and coaches. And why wouldn't these "development" teams be trying to win the competition? Geelong won a VFL flag in the last year or two.

If the SANFL has its way and drives the AFL clubs and players out of the competition, the only difference between the SANFL and SAAFL will be the Under 18's who are trying to get drafted.

Players looking to get a second chance at AFL level will choose the VFL. They'd have no reason to come to the SANFL - no eyes on them.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Agreed AFC979810

I'm a big Sturt fan and still go to games but I think the SANFL clubs are biting off their nose to spite their face. Having a Crow reserves and Port Adelaide aligned team in the SANFL would revitalise it IMO. It would create more interest, fans of both AFL teams would take more interest in how their teams are faring. The states most talented U18's would get opportunities to play alongside a team of AFL listed players and coaches. And why wouldn't these "development" teams be trying to win the competition? Geelong won a VFL flag in the last year or two.

If the SANFL has its way and drives the AFL clubs and players out of the competition, the only difference between the SANFL and SAAFL will be the Under 18's who are trying to get drafted.

Players looking to get a second chance at AFL level will choose the VFL. They'd have no reason to come to the SANFL - no eyes on them.

Sorry guys showing your age and inexperience here .....apart from diehard supporters on this board history shows no-one wants to attend reserves games and view inferior product .......FORGET the argument about seeing the next stars and players develop .....that's BULLSHIT, doesn't eventuate

The SANFL will not have more interest .....it'll die as remaining supporters will drop off as not viewed as genuine competition ......so who's going to put hand in pocket ?

Your speaking fancifully ...not in reality

Everyone knows the clubs first priority will be development first, winning second ......just watch VFL and see for yourself on ABC

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It does matter?

Why then are there only 6,000 fans at games? Why are most club memberships at less than 3,000? What games are on big tv stations? Where is the press regarding the SANFL?

Time to face the facts and stop living in 1980.

It's not about crowds or memberships ....it's about having the STRONGEST feeder competition possible to feed AFL clubs ....not to weaken the feeder comp at a time coaches are saying the gap in standard has never been wider

Get the Crows rose coloured glasses off .........if it was SO IMPORTANT to clubs why did Victorian based clubs go for VFL alignment teams for the last 10 years or so ......or are you telling me the AFL clubs have ONLY JUST REALISED how importnat having your own reserves team is again ....give me a break

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sorry guys showing your age and inexperience here .....apart from diehard supporters on this board history shows no-one wants to attend reserves games and view inferior product .......FORGET the argument about seeing the next stars and players develop .....that's BULLSHIT, doesn't eventuate

Let's be honest, that's what the SANFL is.

The SANFL will not have more interest .....it'll die as remaining supporters will drop off as not viewed as genuine competition ......so who's going to put hand in pocket ?

Disagree. A direct link with the AFL teams will keep it relevant.

Removing the link will mean that it loses relevance.

Your speaking fancifully ...not in reality

Everyone knows the clubs first priority will be development first, winning second ......just watch VFL and see for yourself on ABC

Yep. So?

As I said, developing Geelong just won a VFL flag.

And if you know anything of SANFL you would know that the $50k prize for getting a player drafted is at the forefront of their thinking - as well as winning games.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's not about crowds or memberships ....it's about having the STRONGEST feeder competition possible to feed AFL clubs ....not to weaken the feeder comp at a time coaches are saying the gap in standard has never been wider

Get the Crows rose coloured glasses off .........if it was SO IMPORTANT to clubs why did Victorian based clubs go for VFL alignment teams for the last 10 years or so ......or are you telling me the AFL clubs have ONLY JUST REALISED how importnat having your own reserves team is again ....give me a break

Feeder competition? What are you talking about?

The "feeding" comes predominantly from the players aged Under 18.

If it is just about having a feeder competition, then SANFL clubs should have their U13-U18 structure and invest all their resources there, then not bother with senior teams. Or just merge their seniors with the SAAFL.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don't want to see any more SANFL teams (like Sturt) become a 2nd team for the Crows. Would like the SANFL teams continue & keep their history ... but they need to realise the competition is no longer like it was prior to the Crows, as it used to rival the then VFL.

My preference would be for the Crows to create a team in the SANFL & for Port Magpies to become the Power feeder, but the the SANFL don't want this to occur. I don't believe they would dominate, as there would be injuries needing to be covered by juniors outside the comp (not from SANFL teams). Most importantly it would make it easier for the AFL clubs to develop the players how they wish. Also, I think it would add some more interest to the SANFL & get back to 10 teams.

IMO, playing in the SANFL reserves would be too much of a drop in standard. You can already see now that there is a big gap between SANFL & AFL - so the gap with the reserves would be too great. Would be better of joining the VFL, which would mean less games in SA & more travel.

 

[chazwazza]

How do these two teams fall under the SANFL salary cap? They'd be over with just one player.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Let's be honest, that's what the SANFL is.


Disagree. A direct link with the AFL teams will keep it relevant.

Removing the link will mean that it loses relevance.
Yep. So?

As I said, developing Geelong just won a VFL flag.

And if you know anything of SANFL you would know that the $50k prize for getting a player drafted is at the forefront of their thinking - as well as winning games.

So exactly how many Centrals players have been groomed for drafting ....or was premierships the primary concern

I disagree with your belief the comp will remain relevant ......guess time will tell

I'll leave my POV that i'd hate for a very good comp to be ruined on a whim of an AFL club ......and yes it's just a whim

Has thee current setup hurt or slowed down Lyons, Riley, Crouch, Laird ....or does it simply hurt or impact players that probably are not going to make it anyway

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The SANFL clubs haven't quite worked out yet whether they don't want Crows/Power sides in because they'll dominate, or because they won't care about winning and will do shit.

The thing is, if the Crows/Power put teams in the SANFL and after two seasons it has been a flop. Zero crowds, thrashings... then get rid of them and they can join the VFL.

But give it a try.

If they play VFL from the start and this negatively affects the SANFL then it's too late. No way would the two AFL clubs ever come back to join an even weaker league than it is now.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Feeder competition? What are you talking about?

The "feeding" comes predominantly from the players aged Under 18.

If it is just about having a feeder competition, then SANFL clubs should have their U13-U18 structure and invest all their resources there, then not bother with senior teams. Or just merge their seniors with the SAAFL.

Cmon think ahead .....do you think 18 YO kids will remain the primary resource for recruits ....does it in other international sport

We;re seeing the Majik Daws, international recruits , cross sport migration increasing and they need a stronger feeder competition than a bloody reserves comp

Who this year was recruited from state leagues ? ......we want a closer gap NOT a widening gap in state comps FACT !!!!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The SANFL clubs haven't quite worked out yet whether they don't want Crows/Power sides in because they'll dominate, or because they won't care about winning and will do shit.

The thing is, if the Crows/Power put teams in the SANFL and after two seasons it has been a flop. Zero crowds, thrashings... then get rid of them and they can join the VFL.

But give it a try.

If they play VFL from the start and this negatively affects the SANFL then it's too late. No way would the two AFL clubs ever come back to join an even weaker league than it is now.

You see that is exactly the attitude .....F...k it up and then walk away and try the next idea

Go join the VFL and then you can try & defend the merits then .......you've already admitted you don't know whether it has merit .....just try it ? ...FFS