2nds The SANFL Thread

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So exactly how many Centrals players have been groomed for drafting ....or was premierships the primary concern

Read your post again.

Now do you understand one of the reasons Centrals has been so successful?

I'll leave my POV that i'd hate for a very good comp to be ruined on a whim of an AFL club ......and yes it's just a whim

Has thee current setup hurt or slowed down Lyons, Riley, Crouch, Laird ....or does it simply hurt or impact players that probably are not going to make it anyway

Of course all of them (except Crouch - too early). None are AFL regulars. In most cases they've had to wait years for their fleeting chances.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Cmon think ahead .....do you think 18 YO kids will remain the primary resource for recruits ....does it in other international sport

We;re seeing the Majik Daws, international recruits , cross sport migration increasing and they need a stronger feeder competition than a bloody reserves comp

If I was a mature-ager who had missed being drafted and there was the SANFL plus a VFL/AFL reserves competition to choose from - only one of which involved the AFL clubs and players - I know what I'd choose.

Who this year was recruited from state leagues ? ......we want a closer gap NOT a widening gap in state comps FACT !!!!

Exactly.

And getting every AFL listed player based in SA out of the SANFL competition widens the gap more than anything else possibly could.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't want to see any more SANFL teams (like Sturt) become a 2nd team for the Crows. Would like the SANFL teams continue & keep their history ... but they need to realise the competition is no longer like it was prior to the Crows, as it used to rival the then VFL.

My preference would be for the Crows to create a team in the SANFL & for Port Magpies to become the Power feeder, but the the SANFL don't want this to occur. I don't believe they would dominate, as there would be injuries needing to be covered by juniors outside the comp (not from SANFL teams). Most importantly it would make it easier for the AFL clubs to develop the players how they wish. Also, I think it would add some more interest to the SANFL & get back to 10 teams.

IMO, playing in the SANFL reserves would be too much of a drop in standard. You can already see now that there is a big gap between SANFL & AFL - so the gap with the reserves would be too great. Would be better of joining the VFL, which would mean less games in SA & more travel.

I want a strong Crows development program !!!!!
The reserves thing IS NOT THE ANSWER ......it hasn't been the answer for league clubs in 100 years at VFL, SANFL, or WAFL ....it hasn't !!!

Quality players have always worked there way into league sides anyway ......reserves developing players ...yeah sure

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You see that is exactly the attitude .....F...k it up and then walk away and try the next idea

Go join the VFL and then you can try & defend the merits then .......you've already admitted you don't know whether it has merit .....just try it ? ...FFS

Read a few posts.

I've already said that the reason the SANFL clubs are against it is fear of the unknown.

They haven't even worked out whether the AFL reserves teams would be too strong and professional or too weak and disinterested.

They don't know and are against it because it is different.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Read your post again.

Now do you understand one of the reasons Centrals has been so successful?



Of course all of them (except Crouch - too early). None are AFL regulars. In most cases they've had to wait years for their fleeting chances.

So lack of opportunities in Crows senior side is the fault of their development?

Injuries and poor form this year has seen them all get opportunity .......does the current setup therefore credit for that ......no didn't think so

 

[headache1]

How do these two teams fall under the SANFL salary cap? They'd be over with just one player.

Since when do SANFL teams pay attention to the SANFL salary cap?

 

[Schulzycrow]

SANFL wants it both ways.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Read a few posts.

I've already said that the reason the SANFL clubs are against it is fear of the unknown.

They haven't even worked out whether the AFL reserves teams would be too strong and professional or too weak and disinterested.

They don't know and are against it because it is different.

Rubbish ......very experienced footy people & knowledge

You don't think this has been market researched .....course it has and they know the outcome

Maybe just maybe they have studied the VFL model and impact .....what do you think?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Since when do SANFL teams pay attention to the SANFL salary cap?

nothing to do with argument .....go back to sleep

 

[WaynesWorld19]

SANFL wants it both ways.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So lack of opportunities in Crows senior side is the fault of their development?

Of course. Unless you're saying that a player's quality/performance/development has no bearing on their selection?

Which would be... umm... I won't say it.

Injuries and poor form this year has seen them all get opportunity .......does the current setup therefore credit for that ......no didn't think so

We can't play with fewer than 22 players. So no matter what the SANFL is or does, they are going to get a pat on the back?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Rubbish ......very experienced footy people & knowledge

You don't think this has been market researched .....course it has and they know the outcome

Maybe just maybe they have studied the VFL model and impact .....what do you think?

You understand that the VFL is now the AFL right?

The Norwood, Glenelg, Sturt equivalent clubs are Essendon, Richmond, Carlton.

Port Melbourne's equivalent is the Goody Saints.

 

[AdelaideFan14]

Eagles making a right mess of Glenelg so far. CEY looked good so far. Sumner easily a class above everyone out there. Joyce and Thompson turned over ball every time they've touched it.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Sorry but it seens as if I have I gone back in time to 1990 and reading the same argument regarding putting a team into the AFL.

It will wreak the local competition
The Crows won't pull a crowd and wont get any members and will end up being a financial drain on the SANFL competition.
The integrity of the SANFL will be lost.
SANFL clubs will die off.
And many other pointless and wrong arguments given as an excuse not to move forward.

Abd look at how things have turned out and how wrong the ****ing nay sayers were. Ths is the same, no forthsite shown by anyone at the SANFL, only selfish and ignorant stupidity looking out fir their own self interests.

 

[AFC979810]

Sorry but it seens as if I have I gone back in time to 1990 and reading the same argument regarding putting a team into the AFL.

It will wreak the local competition
The Crows won't pull a crowd and wont get any members and will end up being a financial drain on the SANFL competition.
The integrity of the SANFL will be lost.
SANFL clubs will die off.
And many other pointless and wrong arguments given as an excuse not to move forward.

Abd look at how things have turned out and how wrong the ******* nay sayers were. Ths is the same, no forthsite shown by anyone at the SANFL, only selfish and ignorant stupidity looking out fir their own self interests.

It did wreck the local comp. But i agree with the rest of your post.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

It did wreck the local comp. But i agree with the rest of your post.

No it didn't because the player retention scheme the SANFL had in place wasn't working any longer.

By 1990 - players were leaving fir the VFL on mass and had we not entered a side in the summer of 1990 - South Australia would have lost player after player, the local league would be the same today and we may not have even had a team.

 

[Apsaalooke]

I want a strong Crows development program !!!!!
The reserves thing IS NOT THE ANSWER ......it hasn't been the answer for league clubs in 100 years at VFL, SANFL, or WAFL ....it hasn't !!!

Quality players have always worked there way into league sides anyway ......reserves developing players ...yeah sure

Forthright statements with capitals, repetition and exclamation marks mean nothing without evidence or at least some logic behind them.

 

[Mego Red]

The WA sides are both moving towards having their own reserves side. Do a google.

Even the mildly intelligent AFL analysts note the advantage of having a reserves side. Why do you think the richest clubs are choosing to do it? Every AFL club is moving towards it.

Us? Our hard nosed commitment to success has been doubted by many in the past. Here's another example.

 

[Mego Red]

Not sure about Sydney reserves ......but WA Teams also following the leader even though they are successful with the same system as our current

Mark my words this will widen the gap further between AFL and next tier down .......next stage will be to see clubs winge about the gap they've created

Because ultimately the WA clubs know they'll need to? That they're unsatisfied with their current lack of success?

The real gap will be between rich afl clubs (who will be able to afford reserves sides) and the poor. Wonder which we'll be?

 

[Mego Red]

Cmon think ahead .....do you think 18 YO kids will remain the primary resource for recruits ....does it in other international sport

We;re seeing the Majik Daws, international recruits , cross sport migration increasing and they need a stronger feeder competition than a bloody reserves comp

Who this year was recruited from state leagues ? ......we want a closer gap NOT a widening gap in state comps FACT !!!!

Honestly, this is a ridiculous point. You have absolutely no facts to back it up.

I mean, I 100% disagree with everything else you've said, but at least there it is just having a misguided opinion. This post is just bollocks

 

[Mego Red]

Rubbish ......very experienced footy people & knowledge

You don't think this has been market researched .....course it has and they know the outcome

Maybe just maybe they have studied the VFL model and impact .....what do you think?

Completely wrong.

Narrow-minded and self-interested, who would still want there to be only local leagues and no Crows side if their hand wasn't forced.

Most are only a step or so above amateur support staff, who give what limited time they can afford.

The talented administrators move into the fully professional sports.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Honestly, this is a ridiculous point. You have absolutely no facts to back it up.

I mean, I 100% disagree with everything else you've said, but at least there it is just having a misguided opinion. This post is just bollocks

Not everything about WW's post was bollocks. It's in the best interests of footy development that there is a smaller gap between feeder leagues & the AFL, to make it easier for players to make the transition. So then it follows, would the SANFL be stronger league with or without the AFL reserve players... Also, do players looking to be drafted have something to compare/aspire to...

 

[AdelaideFan14]

Jaensch and Riley putting their hands up for next week.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Jaensch and Riley putting their hands up for next week.

How's Martin going?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The WA sides are both moving towards having their own reserves side. Do a google.

Even the mildly intelligent AFL analysts note the advantage of having a reserves side. Why do you think the richest clubs are choosing to do it? Every AFL club is moving towards it.

Us? Our hard nosed commitment to success has been doubted by many in the past. Here's another example.

Ok ....then as an intelligent person, if thee clubs believe SO MUCH in this ....why did they move away from the reserves side over 10 years ago AND FOR SO LONG