2nds The SANFL Thread

[WaynesWorld19]

Let the SANFL top up their list and then give the AFL clubs one week to pick 10 or so players each out of the leftovers.
See? There is always a simple solution to every problem if people want to find them.

So you want your cake & at it too ......SANFL clubs will never agree to your "solution" no matter how positive you put it !

 

[Ravenous Crow]

One team raids Ireland .....so all teams follow ....then one stops, so they all stop.

Yeah the Irish experiment ended ages ago. Bad luck Zac Tuochy and Pearce Hanley.

One team has success with mature rookie (Barlow) ....so all teams get a mature rookie

I like how you actually cut yourself off here. How's the mature age experiment going? Surely just another passing fad eh.

We're going to follow Victorian teams who have the tremendous reputation of finding new ways to get into debt!!!!

Now we're back to 'Sharing any common ground with Melbourne means we'll become Melbourne'.

These arguments are so wafer thin they're basically nonsensical...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah the Irish experiment ended ages ago. Bad luck Zac Tuochy and Pearce Hanley.


I like how you actually cut yourself off here. How's the mature age experiment going? Surely just another passing fad eh.


Now we're back to 'Sharing any common ground with Melbourne means we'll become Melbourne'.

These arguments are so wafer thin they're basically nonsensical...

only because you can't follow the argument

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There are more inequities at the moment than , frankly there would be with the Crows reserves being the 10th team in the SANFL.

Some people just don't like change.

Why don't the SANFL trial it for 2 years, with a right to revert to what it is, in case the SANFL "falls apart" with the Crows entering a reserves team.

Has already in VFL if anyone is prepared to study its decline ....i have already posted some of the ludicrous situations AFL clubs have done to their teams

People here have no experience of outcomes of these decisions, frankly most Crows supporters don't particularly give a toss .....the SANFL however is acutely aware of impact on VFL

If it is SO IMPORTANT to player development why wait 20 years ?

 

[Mego Red]

Wayne's World - NO ONE involved professionally in football agrees with you. Or anyone with any common sense. It's like listening to someone argue that players should eat a high protein, all hamburger diet.

There are NO facts that support what you're saying.

Honestly, your "draft Kosi" posts at least have surreal comedy value. Your posts about the Crows future don't even have that.

Unfortunately not all opinions are created equal, and yours on this subject don't seem to have any logic or value at all.

It's a pity as you've been a good poster at points but this is like watching my nan try to understand how wifi works.

 

[chazwazza]

It's so simple. Port get the Magpies as their reserves. Crows reserves becomes 10th team. Wave farewell to the bye. Win for everyone. Everyone knows it, the SANFL clubs are just holding out and making up BS excuses for more money.

Win win, what a load of crap. It might be for Port, Adelaide and Port Magpies but its not a win for the other 8 clubs.
Would you like Adelaide to be competing against clubs in the AFL with a salary cap 20x that of Adelaide's?
I think not. Would you like it if other AFL clubs had totally different access to players to draft from than that of Adelaide? I think not. Would you like it if other AFL clubs had access to funding from the AFL that Adelaide will never get? I think not!
This is the exact point, this is what's being asked of the SANFL clubs and this is what you selfishly and myopically call a win win.
What a crock!

 

[Mego Red]

Put the Crows in the VFL. Vastly stronger comp, they'll be playing against more AFL draftees and clubs playing an AFL system, and it stops all this garbage about "what's good for the SANFL".

At some point, the SANFL needs to be left to its own devices.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Win win, what a load of crap. It might be for Port, Adelaide and Port Magpies but its not a win for the other 8 clubs.
Would you like Adelaide to be competing against clubs in the AFL with a salary cap 20x that of Adelaide's?
I think not. Would you like it if other AFL clubs had totally different access to players to draft from than that of Adelaide? I think not. Would you like it if other AFL clubs had access to funding from the AFL that Adelaide will never get? I think not!
This is the exact point, this is what's being asked of the SANFL clubs and this is what you selfishly and myopically call a win win.
What a crock!

Have you ever heard of the VFL? All these "problems" exist there too.

The SANFL is desperately trying to make itself irrelevant.

 

[AusTerran]

My understanding is limited on this, so this might be a stupid comment to many...

If the Crows/Power ressies join the VFL, and if I was a player (17 year old awantabe drafted or 25 year old wanting a second chance),I would play in the VFL and ignore the SANFL? Seems alot of players join the SANFL for that reason as it seems to be the 2nd best league, but that'll change with more eyes on the VFL, as it'll be the ressies for more than half the AFL teams, at least for the SA based players, and the players wanting a second chance will totally ignore the SANFL.
So the SANFL will end up losing their better players to the VFL, as the next gen of fans follow the VFL Crows/Power teams and ignore the SANFL, more teams will start having the same problems as Sturt.
SANFL will then have to cut back to save money and end up not only behind the VFL, but the WAFL too.

 

[chazwazza]

Have you ever heard of the VFL? All these "problems" exist there too.

The SANFL is desperately trying to make itself irrelevant.

The VFL is so desperately bastardised I don't think it matters what happens to it concerning these issues. The SANFL is one of the oldest sporting competitions in the world, the VFL has morphed into something that no one has any idea what it is anymore. It's a poor comparison that you use.
Anyway, answer the questions that I posed, would you be happy for Adelaide to be competing in a comp that is intrinsically biased, unfair and unworkable? It's a serious question.

 

[Marty64]

would you be happy for Adelaide to be competing in a comp that is intrinsically biased, unfair and unworkable? It's a serious question.

I think you just described our position in the AFL.

 

[Hank93]

Ian Shuttleworth @Shutts10

Put simply, Crows rate the SANFL reserves comp as last on the list of options, for where their 'second' team plays next year.​

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@TenNewsADEL​

 

[jackster83]

Why not just keep moving guys one by one until they are all at either Sturt or Glenelg? WWT and South in particular have done us no favours in the last couple of years.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The VFL is so desperately bastardised I don't think it matters what happens to it concerning these issues. The SANFL is one of the oldest sporting competitions in the world, the VFL has morphed into something that no one has any idea what it is anymore. It's a poor comparison that you use.

You know that the "VFL" is now the AFL, right?

The VFA (our equivalent of the SAAFL) has become the VFL and now incorporates AFL reserves teams as well as stand alone teams.

That's right - our great local competition has been overtaken by a Victorian amateur league competition and we are doing everything in our power to continue this trend.

Anyway, answer the questions that I posed, would you be happy for Adelaide to be competing in a comp that is intrinsically biased, unfair and unworkable? It's a serious question.

It wouldn't any of those things.

As a Sturt fan, I want my team to be in a competition that matters. Because as soon as it doesn't matter and has to stand on its own two feet it will fall over. And my club will die.

Once the need for a "strong" SANFL exits the mindset, then all that matters is the Under 18's. The SANFL will become another version of the TAC Cup. All resources will be invested there.

 

[scottmv1]

When the crows first came in I thought wow that's cool.......being able to see the likes of Ablett, Dunstall, Loclet etc play at footy park would be awesome. What I didn't realise being a young lad was it would ultimately result in the death of the Sanfl competition especially after the Power license was issued. Some of my best memories have come from going to watch my Sanfl team play most weeks in a competition that was arguably on par or close to it with the vfl / afl before 1990. Watching the demise of the Sanfl especially since 2000 really makes me feel sad as though I've lost someone close to me. I doubt the Sanfl competition will be able to survive. I really hope I'm wrong though and that there will be a way for this once great comp to become strong again......but I'm not going to hold my breath that's for sure?.......very sad.

 

[Team DJ]

Do the SANFL not realise that by having a Crows reserves play in it. The extra Marketing, Media, Merchandise, Crowd Numbers, and Sponsorships that they will get from it?
Even make them only play away games. The 8 other clubs would boom financially.


Its a money boom for them and the Clubs.

 

[Team DJ]

1) It's not a level playing field. Salaries, recruiting, facilities, priorities.
2) The premiership comes 2nd to development.

An example would be Ian Callinan. Best player in the league, integral to Central for several years, Jack Oatey Medallist in 2010. Gets rookied by Adelaide and spends 2011 playing against Central. How is that fair?

What interest is there in a compromised competition? How is it exciting for an SANFL club to beat a Reserves team when their main aim isn't even to win. The SANFL is more than a Reserves competition.

What happens in a bad injury year. There may only be half a dozen Crows players playing, dragging down the standard of the competition.

Like I said earlier, I'm all for the Crows getting a Reserves side, just don't ruin the SANFL competition with it.

Central would get money from Callinan being drafted. Then probably extra cash as a transfer fee. Then even extra when he debuts and plays certain numbers of games. They'll be alright. If that's the only issue it is a non one.

*PAF is owning this board atm

 

[Geoffa32]

I reckon the VFL would be.the best place for our Reserves. Playing against other AFL players in a league that follows AFL rules and gameplay.

Or better yet, a break away comp with some.of the Vic AFL teams would be good too. I believe this has been suggested amongst Coll, Ess, Geel etc. Play our home games at Thebby Oval.

 

[brucetiki]

Out of all this discussion, I'm surprised the AFL aren't entertaining the idea of a national reserves comp. If the NAB Cup is going, then give the naming rights to NAB. Have a couple of televised matches as well.

A national reserves comp is the ideal solution and the AFL clubs should be pursuing this option with the AFL.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Out of all this discussion, I'm surprised the AFL aren't entertaining the idea of a national reserves comp. If the NAB Cup is going, then give the naming rights to NAB. Have a couple of televised matches as well.

A national reserves comp is the ideal solution and the AFL clubs should be pursuing this option with the AFL.

Spot on. It is the obvious solution. Play reserves games before the AFL games. The extra costs is the 22 players travelling each week and their hotel costs. So that means 10 times per year for Adelaide's teams... Surely that is a cheaper option for Adelaide than having our own SANFL club?

 

[AusTerran]

Spot on. It is the obvious solution. Play reserves games before the AFL games. The extra costs is the 22 players travelling each week and their hotel costs. So that means 10 times per year for Adelaide's teams... Surely that is a cheaper option for Adelaide than having our own SANFL club?

Thought the AFL was against it as the poor clubs can't afford it?

 

[cmndstab]

Spot on. It is the obvious solution. Play reserves games before the AFL games. The extra costs is the 22 players travelling each week and their hotel costs. So that means 10 times per year for Adelaide's teams... Surely that is a cheaper option for Adelaide than having our own SANFL club?

Agreed. The AFL is a billion dollar industry. Surely they can afford to have their own reserves comp, which would not only add credibility to the competition as a whole, but would also become a new money generator for the AFL.

Of course it wouldn't help the local leagues to have those players disappear out of their systems entirely, but then the local leagues haven't shown any interest in coming up with a workable solution, so I say bad luck.

 

[chazwazza]

You know that the "VFL" is now the AFL, right?

The VFA (our equivalent of the SAAFL) has become the VFL and now incorporates AFL reserves teams as well as stand alone teams.

That's right - our great local competition has been overtaken by a Victorian amateur league competition and we are doing everything in our power to continue this trend.


It wouldn't any of those things.

As a Sturt fan, I want my team to be in a competition that matters. Because as soon as it doesn't matter and has to stand on its own two feet it will fall over. And my club will die.

Once the need for a "strong" SANFL exits the mindset, then all that matters is the Under 18's. The SANFL will become another version of the TAC Cup. All resources will be invested there.

I'm not sure what this means.
I'd be happy to argue that the SANFL is stronger than the VFL. As a Sturt fan I want them to be competing in a comp that is a fair playing field.
I noticed that Bernie Vince came out and said that he'd prefer to be playing back at WWT when not playing for Adelaide, I'm pretty sure that most players that have come through the SANFL would be the same. Has this been taken into account in the vast amount of research that both clubs have done concerning this?

 

[LC40]

Put the Crows in the VFL. Vastly stronger comp, they'll be playing against more AFL draftees and clubs playing an AFL system, and it stops all this garbage about "what's good for the SANFL".

At some point, the SANFL needs to be left to its own devices.

Hallelujah "At some point the SANFL needs to be left to its own devices".

That's the crux of SANFL posters argument.
Leave the SANFL alone,take the Crows and Power players out of their competition and go somewhere else.
Easy to understand but it seems very hard for some to comprehend.

The SANFL followers support their team, they really don't care which AFL player is there. Sure they support them if they are playing but it's all about the team and a balanced competition.
They don't hate the AFL they just don't want the intrusion of two teams full of AFL listed players.

If the standard goes down so be it but their team they support will still be playing.
The Magpies can play in the SANFL as long as they have no AFL listed players.
There is no conspiracy here against the Crows or Port they just want a competition that has every team playing under the same conditions.

As an aside I heard an interview with Rory Sloane who said he loved his time at North Adelaide. He got to met new people that weren't involved with the Crows and it gave him a chance to get away from the AFL environment. He is still firm friends with those blokes now and still socialises with them.

SANFL clubs at present do enable AFL listed players to met a broader range of people.This at least allows them time away from their working environment.How big a factor it is in keeping a young player happy who knows but it would be hard working and socialising with the same group of players all the time.(Mainly interstate players who have no other network of friends when they arrive.)

Dangerfield coaches at Westies and I'm sure he appreciates the 'variety' it brings to his week.

I know Sando is talking about "the reserves" as everyone being on the same page when playing on the field but off the field surely there must be occasions when you would want to get away from the team and be with other people who still share your same interest.

 

[chazwazza]

Hallelujah "At some point the SANFL needs to be left to its own devices".

That's the crux of SANFL posters argument.
Leave the SANFL alone,take the Crows and Power players out of their competition and go somewhere else.
Easy to understand but it seems very hard for some to comprehend.

The SANFL followers support their team, they really don't care which AFL player is there. Sure they support them if they are playing but it's all about the team and a balanced competition.
They don't hate the AFL they just don't want the intrusion of two teams full of AFL listed players.

If the standard goes down so be it but their team they support will still be playing.
The Magpies can play in the SANFL as long as they have no AFL listed players.
There is no conspiracy here against the Crows or Port they just want a competition that has every team playing under the same conditions.

As an aside I heard an interview with Rory Sloane who said he loved his time at North Adelaide. He got to met new people that weren't involved with the Crows and it gave him a chance to get away from the AFL environment. He is still firm friends with those blokes now and still socialises with them.

SANFL clubs at present do enable AFL listed players to met a broader range of people.This at least allows them time away from their working environment.How big a factor it is in keeping a young player happy who knows but it would be hard working and socialising with the same group of players all the time.(Mainly interstate players who have no other network of friends when they arrive.)

Dangerfield coaches at Westies and I'm sure he appreciates the 'variety' it brings to his week.

I know Sando is talking about "the reserves" as everyone being on the same page when playing on the field but off the field surely there must be occasions when you would want to get away from the team and be with other people who still share your same interest.

I concur. Good post, sums it up.