The selectors

The_Reaper · Mar 2, 2013

the selectors decision to bolster the batting now looks a masterstroke

frankrizzo · Mar 2, 2013

On aussie pitches starc looks a test number 8, during the last test he looked like a number 11 he knew he couldn't survive spin for more than 10 mins so he just slogged.

Black Diamond · Mar 2, 2013

courtjester said:
Selection for a team in India is pretty easy imo. Must play two spinners. With Henriques in the team, you only need two quicks:

Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Clarke
A batsman who can play spin
Henriques
Paine/Hartley+ (a keeper who can keep to spin)
O'Keefe
Pattinson
Siddle/Bird
Lyon

Why "Must play two spinners"? We're flat out finding one who is good enough. Where is this second spinner coming from and what is his name?

Furn2 · Mar 2, 2013

I like bowling to someone different every ball, means I'm taking wickets.

Patron · Mar 3, 2013

Maxwell wasn't that horrendous tbh sure he got out for crap all but he didn't look too bad whilst he was in and tried to use his feet to the spinners. Not sure he is a test batsmen though.

western royboy · Mar 3, 2013

Patronij1 said:
Maxwell wasn't that horrendous tbh sure he got out for crap all but he didn't look too bad whilst he was in and tried to use his feet to the spinners. Not sure he is a test batsmen though.

And herein lies the problem, because as @ now I do not believe he is anywhere near being either a Test bat or bowler - yet there he is. I really I hope I'm wrong.

TassieEagle · Mar 3, 2013

Patronij1 said:
Maxwell wasn't that horrendous tbh sure he got out for crap all but he didn't look too bad whilst he was in and tried to use his feet to the spinners. Not sure he is a test batsmen though.

Him and Quiney could produce the best looking partnership of all time then

King Elvis · Mar 3, 2013

Good treatment of Lyon, dickheads.

courtjester · Mar 3, 2013

UseYourIllusion said:
Why "Must play two spinners"? We're flat out finding one who is good enough. Where is this second spinner coming from and what is his name?

Their names are Lyon and O'Keefe/Beer. Most touring spinners in India have a tough time (Warne's figures there are pretty mediocre), but they're still necessary because of the nature of the conditions there.

Black Diamond · Mar 3, 2013

courtjester said:
Their names are Lyon and O'Keefe/Beer. Most touring spinners in India have a tough time (Warne's figures there are pretty mediocre), but they're still necessary because of the nature of the conditions there.

Oh, ok. So even though they usually get smashed we should still pick them because of the conditions.

The conditions are irrelevant if we don't actually have a spinner who can bowl with control.

courtjester · Mar 3, 2013

UseYourIllusion said:
Oh, ok. So even though they usually get smashed we should still pick them because of the conditions.

The conditions are irrelevant if we don't actually have a spinner who can bowl with control.

All three can bowl with control.

The_Reaper · Mar 3, 2013

courtjester said:
All three can bowl with control.

Taking wickets and not getting smashed is a different thing.

Beer was also injured btw

courtjester · Mar 3, 2013

Not getting smashed generally leads to wickets.

Lyon's biggest issue in the first test was that he tried to rip the shit out of everything, instead of being patient.

Black Diamond · Mar 3, 2013

courtjester said:
All three can bowl with control.

When was the last time any of Lyon, Maxwell and Doherty bowled with control for any more than one over in a row? I can bowl with control too, every now and then. Should I play for Australia?

courtjester · Mar 3, 2013

UseYourIllusion said:
When was the last time any of Lyon, Maxwell and Doherty bowled with control for any more than one over in a row? I can bowl with control too, every now and then. Should I play for Australia?

Lyon bowled with control all of the Australian summer.I didn't mention Maxwell or Doherty. I said O'Keefe and Beer, both of whom bowl with control.

King Elvis · Mar 3, 2013

Lyons figures look bad because he was our only spinner, and most of the quicks were crap.

Phone · Mar 3, 2013

UseYourIllusion said:
Oh, ok. So even though they usually get smashed we should still pick them because of the conditions.

The conditions are irrelevant if we don't actually have a spinner who can bowl with control.

Or a spinner who bowls to the conditions, to be more exact. Lyon bowled like he was bowling in Australia. He's in India. So he got smashed.

western royboy · Mar 3, 2013

To be fair to Lyon and the others Steve "Stumper" Rixon is our spin bowling coach. I'm a qualified cricket coach, but I steer clear of elite level stuff in areas that I have no first hand experience in. Rixon's appointment defies belief when we have other better qualified people available.

Oh and Rixon is pretty thick with the Captain - Would that help him get a gig?

sherb · Mar 3, 2013

Phone said:
Or a spinner who bowls to the conditions, to be more exact. Lyon bowled like he was bowling in Australia. He's in India. So he got smashed.

Indeed.

This article is worth a read:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/623022.html

It got me thinking, how much serious preparation and thought did our batsmen and bowlers put into playing in Indian conditions?

Punchy Bassett · Mar 3, 2013

Our stupid obsession with all rounders has been the number one reason for our test team turning to shit.

frankrizzo · Mar 3, 2013

Still seems nuts they pick a spinner like lyon out of obscurity, he then exceeds all expectations and takes 60 wickets@32 leading into this series he then gets belted by a rampaging dhoni in one test and bang he's done.

Did this selection group not see what the last lot did to haurtiz?

You don't judge your spinners long term prospects on a few innings in india, a place where shane warne was made to look like a park cricketer.

STFU Donnie · Mar 3, 2013

frankrizzo said:
Still seems nuts they pick a spinner like lyon out of obscurity, he then exceeds all expectations and takes 60 wickets@32 leading into this series he then gets belted by a rampaging dhoni in one test and bang he's done.

Did this selection group not see what the last lot did to haurtiz?

You don't judge your spinners long term prospects on a few innings in india, a place where shane warne was made to look like a park cricketer.

Well said. When I started this thread, I was arguing that Doherty should have been selected as well as Lyon, not instead of him!

As Gerard Whateley said on Offsiders this morning, this tour has been a spectacularly well planned disaster.

Zach Package · Mar 3, 2013

Jesus.
how have we made sweeping changes and still lost both games at the selection table???

Xtreme · Mar 3, 2013

I love it when i am right :thumbsu:

, the selectors need to take a good long hard look at themselves

western royboy · Mar 3, 2013

STFU Donnie said:
Well said. When I started this thread, I was arguing that Doherty should have been selected as well as Lyon, not instead of him!

As Gerard Whateley said on Offsiders this morning, this tour has been a spectacularly well planned disaster.

I went to the Ryobvi Cup final and took my two young boys. During the rain delay they got all the signatures and met most of the players. Later it dawned on me the sheer number of blokes that had played test cricket for one or two games, Hastings, Quiney, White, Rogers, Hauritz, McKay - just scary.

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