The SEN Thread 2

[MickRicho]

I know Chris Judd is a great player, but what's the big deal of him playing in his first practise match for Carlton?

To be broadcasting live from the match is a bit over the top.

Chris Judd media circus still continues.

I know, its pretty pathetic. LOL you should hear the crowd every time Judd gets the ball... the messiah may get them off the bottom but they will still be bottom four

 

[Hawthorn United]

Completely ridiculous, in my opinion, but in this footy mad town, someone would surely complain if we didn't do it.

Maybe having a reporter at the ground and The Run Home boys crossing over to him now and then for updates would be ok. But the way things have gone on so far, it's as if the Pope is playing.

 

[Daytripper]

So when a big footy story happens and they at a moments notice have the live press conference that is simple.
The GF of the NBL was known quicker than some coaches who retire or other things they do at short notice.
How hard is it to have tonight melb tigers and kings game here in Melb cant be much harder than what they use to do in the VFL with the whole setting up of that
If you look for excuses not to do something you can always find them

Its called having the broadcasting rights.

Massive difference between that and covering a press conference where anybody with a media pass can attend.

 

[johnnyhoward]

What is with the Allnightsport website? Franka said every GBU Crew ep would be up there for download yet there have only been 2 uploaded.

Now i understand Franka does it all himself which is fine but why say something if you won't do it?
Or is it because there was no interest? Or the fact that BP has been doing the show over the last weeks and therefore he hasn't been involved to upload the eps?

-Ben

I don't understand why they uploaded the GBU Crew, of all the overnight shows. Same thing every week, Milne and the callers screaming, a few names mentioned and "OORRRRRRRRHHH! WASN'T HE A GREAT PLAYER" and Zantuck's annoying little additions and jokes like "The moustachioed Mick Malthouse".

No SEN shows have podcasts which is disappointing, surely it would be better to podcast some of the best talkback calls and interviews rather than having one hour of replays on Doran's show?

 

[treeman]

I don't understand why they uploaded the GBU Crew, of all the overnight shows. Same thing every week, Milne and the callers screaming, a few names mentioned and "OORRRRRRRRHHH! WASN'T HE A GREAT PLAYER" and Zantuck's annoying little additions and jokes like "The moustachioed Mick Malthouse".

No SEN shows have podcasts which is disappointing, surely it would be better to podcast some of the best talkback calls and interviews rather than having one hour of replays on Doran's show?

Well this is true but that would take a lot of work to get specific callers. It was good that all night sport had a podcast at all.

-Ben

 

[paul scholes]

no chip on shoulder,i love the epl my only problem is there is too much melb. victory talk.
wed afternoons doran has soccer on from 3 till 4 and then the run home will have soccer at the start of the show.
wether we like it or not melbourne loves the footy and cricket,more people like these sports more than soccer.

Agree that there should be more AFL content than other sports but my point is that to much footy becomes very monotnous. In particular the off season,there is only so many times one can tolerate [insert player here] is training the house down and player X has put on excess muscle.

 

[montybrasco]

Completely ridiculous, in my opinion, but in this footy mad town, someone would surely complain if we didn't do it.

Whoa. Bit rich coming from an American.

I was listening to US radio the other night and they went "spanning the globe", from pro gridiron to college basketball finishing with pro gridiron. That’s not much of a globe, eh. Then there’s ESPN TV that last year televised a Kevin Durant high school basketball game nationally! Several years ago they showed several LeBron James’ high school games nationally. Why? M.R.P. is the answer. The same thing applies to Juddy.

This is the nature of sports entertainment. ESPN in the States gives exponential coverage of the Little League Baseball World Series, of all things, but you’ll never see a Ricky Ponting or "Buddy" Franklin highlight. Yeah, US sports showed Symonds deck the streaker, with the usual reference to how boring cricket is, and they often laugh it up showing our goal umpires. How lucky we are to have fair and balanced coverage of all sports in Australia unlike elsewhere in the world.

Lets see, it’s a "footy mad town," so, it’s probably NOT that ridiculous that a radio show simply does an outside broadcast at an event with the much anticipated return of the AFL’s best player at his new club. A club that’s one of the most popular in the Victoria. For months now-obvious fictitious rumours have simmered that Judd’s injury was worse than Carlton had let on. And an estimated ten thousand people showed up to watch this match. His return to the field has been a big story. And who the hell would have actually "complained if we didn’t do it." What nonsense.

SEN’s major sport is and should be footy. And yet look at the diversity of sports still covered on SEN all year round. An old media marketing slogan was "soccarrr is real footbowwll" (with accented voiceover). Well, not at this time of year it isn’t. Same goes for other sports. People oughta start to deal with it.

 

[sjsdu]

Whoa. Bit rich coming from an American.

That I'm an American has nothing to do with it. I wasn't saying anything about coverage over there. But since you mentioned the Little League World Series. The LLWS is a HUGE event in the life of a kid and their parents. You think Judd's first practice match is on the same level?

Lets see, it’s a "footy mad town," so, it’s probably NOT that ridiculous that a radio show simply does an outside broadcast at an event with the much anticipated return of the AFL’s best player at his new club. A club that’s one of the most popular in the Victoria. For months now-obvious fictitious rumours have simmered that Judd’s injury was worse than Carlton had let on. And an estimated ten thousand people showed up to watch this match. His return to the field has been a big story. And who the hell would have actually "complained if we didn’t do it." What nonsense.


Nonsense? Doubt that. I am guessing someone would have entered a post on this site saying, "certainly, the much anticipated return of the AFL’s best player at his new club, one of the most popular in Victoria should warrant some coverage by "the new home of footy".

 

[MacMum]

Montybrasco, I agree with most of what you say, but no need to sound rude or racist(yes, racist) about it......you are entitled to your opinion, just like Steve is.....To say a bit rich coming from an american is totally unnessary.....your points could be made without that......Steve seems a friendly guy who enjoys being part of BF and our Aussie scene, why be snappy, snarly to someone who just happens to have a different opinion to you......I also thought the Judd thing was over the top, but understand others might be interested, is that a bit rich coming from an Australian?..........lets keep things civil.....and thats MHO......which I'm entitled to!..

 

[puddingfactor]

SEN’s major sport is and should be footy. And yet look at the diversity of sports still covered on SEN all year round. An old media marketing slogan was "soccarrr is real footbowwll" (with accented voiceover). Well, not at this time of year it isn’t. Same goes for other sports. People oughta start to deal with it.

Diversity? Australian basketball has its showcase event - its grand final series - and it is being snubbed by an 'all sports' station.

Other sports such as soccer and cricket have had an okay run, but for an all sports station, the amount of time AFL is devoted is ridiculous.

What time of the year are other sports meant to get a look in? Maybe sometime after lunch on Christmas Day - unless a player on the Collingwood rookie list farts of course - that will end up on air being a Matty Thompson breaking news exclusive.

(Of course, I'm joking here. If it happened on Christmas Day, the station would be on automation, playing AFL highlights from back in Round 3 the previous season...like they were for most of the summer)

If SEN can cover more than 100 AFL games a year, I'm sure they might be able to afford the trip down to The Cage to cover the NBL grand final series. I'll even chip in for Steve's tram fare.

 

[montybrasco]

That I'm an American has nothing to do with it. I wasn't saying anything about coverage over there.

No, you never said anything about sport over there, I did. American pro sports leagues are privately owned and consequently runs a monopoly on the media. The US sports stations (TV and radio) have a vested financially and ratings-related interest in the five sports: gridiron, basketball, baseball, NASCAR, and ice hockey. That’s why ESPN shows the Little League World Series. Last night ESPN radio’s Colin Cowherd spanned the globe again, all the way to Green Bay! He also, I might add coincidently, defended his station against criticism by golfing bodies for dropping golf coverage. It’s about ratings and lack of interest.

But since you mentioned the Little League World Series. The LLWS is a HUGE event in the life of a kid and their parents. You think Judd's first practice match is on the same level?

And there’s the mistake an American might make in Australia. You can actually compare an American kiddie competition, with extensive live coverage for Americans in its monopolized sports culture, to an event on the other end of the planet? Read carefully, it was an outside-the-station broadcast at MC Labour Park, which also covered the Western Bulldogs, not live play-by-play of the Judd game. And yes, I do absolutely see Judd’s much talked about return to the field (in an OZ footy-mad city, covered by a radio station with a financial and ratings-related interest) way far and above the LLWS in another country.
Yeah, great for the kid and his parents over there, but hardly edge of the seat stuff down under. A number of those LLWS games were shown live on ESPN International in Australia. ESPN has a vested interest in pushing baseball, just like SEN has with footy. Thousands of fans have been led by rumours that Judd’s injury more serious than it is.

Nonsense? Doubt that. I am guessing someone would have entered a post on this site saying, "certainly, the much anticipated return of the AFL’s best player at his new club, one of the most popular in Victoria should warrant some coverage by "the new home of footy".

There are always people that would justify anything due to a little thing called self interest but your original "completely ridiculous…surely complain," is a far cry from the latter "doubt…guessing someone…warrant some coverage."

 

[montybrasco]

Montybrasco, I agree with most of what you say, but no need to sound rude or racist(yes, racist) about it......you are entitled to your opinion, just like Steve is.....To say a bit rich coming from an american is totally unnessary.....your points could be made without that......Steve seems a friendly guy who enjoys being part of BF and our Aussie scene, why be snappy, snarly to someone who just happens to have a different opinion to you......

Oh dear. Snappy? Snarly? In our politically correct world the first interpretation of a few words is ‘this must be racism, bigotry, prejudice.’ Did you note the lack of an adjective before the word American? So just how did you deduce what my true connotation of "American" was? Yanks have far more rich knowledge of pro sport theory than most Australians and so much so Steve has a radio show with Wyatt Earp. The premise of the post regarding "coming from an American" was not personally at Mistah Salisbury but more at the American sports culture he purportedly understands, that is so insulated to a point of "whooooo, we’re No. 1," and everybody else is boring.

I’ve had a few cheap shots at "Uriah Heep" Salisbury in the past and he knows that phrase was nothing in the realm of racism. And I’ll tell you something, MacMum, there is no Australian at this site that is more pro American - politically (right-wing) and in sports - than this little black duck (no, not racist). Wait. Drat, there I go again. Racist against a duck of colour! Before you e-mail Al Sharpton to challenge my Daffy Duck defence, our native duck is the pacific black duck, colloquially better known as a blackie. Words can be misinterpreted.

I also thought the Judd thing was over the top, but understand others might be interested, is that a bit rich coming from an Australian?...

Er, no, that’s my point. Until Essendon surpassed Carlton in popularity behind Collingwood, the Blues were the second most popular club team in Australia. And when the sport’s best player signs on (with one hot babe in tow) to rebuild a team back to past glories, it, as Steve passively stated in his second post, will "warrant some coverage" for the others, being Carlton fans in particular.
Steve, being an American, knows, this is how big-time pro athletes are covered by the media. That’s why I mentioned LeBron James as an example:
The high school basketball freak show has seen more publicity and limelight in his four years of high school ball than most seasoned pros could ever dream of. He's played nationally televised games on ESPN; he's getting major endorsement from Adidas; he's been on the cover of Sports Illustrated and numerous basketball publications; and he's got all of his games on his home state of Ohio's pay-per view.
It's not his fault, though. LeBron is just doing what he is good at. As it turns out, he is good at something this country is infatuated with. Sports-crazed America engulfs people like LeBron. The media cover it because the people yearn for it.
LeBron James

The above also goes for Chris Judd - and the girl in the red dress - when it comes to the ten thousand fans yesterday and the media. It’s the nature of pro sports coverage.

 

[montybrasco]

Diversity? Australian basketball has its showcase event - its grand final series - and it is being snubbed by an 'all sports' station.

Other sports such as soccer and cricket have had an okay run, but for an all sports station, the amount of time AFL is devoted is ridiculous.

What time of the year are other sports meant to get a look in? Maybe sometime after lunch on Christmas Day - unless a player on the Collingwood rookie list farts of course - that will end up on air being a Matty Thompson breaking news exclusive.

(Of course, I'm joking here. If it happened on Christmas Day, the station would be on automation, playing AFL highlights from back in Round 3 the previous season...like they were for most of the summer)

If SEN can cover more than 100 AFL games a year, I'm sure they might be able to afford the trip down to The Cage to cover the NBL grand final series. I'll even chip in for Steve's tram fare.

Your pretty close with the Matty Thompson bit, too.

Yep, seems wrong that SEN doesn’t cover the NBL finals, but, it’s hard to second guess their decision. I watched it on FOX; never going to turn in to the radio. Someone’s probably made a decision based on economics and not enough interest to warrant live radio coverage.

But as to diversity, I still say our media including SEN talk extensively about various sports, which is why I often actually turn off. There’s just not enough interest for anything other than minor coverage with many sports. Another example is our swimmers who are the envy of others around the world due to the media coverage and financial opportunities in Australia.

 

[Dasher39]

But as to diversity, I still say our media including SEN talk extensively about various sports.

Laughable.

I cannot remember I heard any decent discussion on SEN about the Melbourne Storm. They get a fleeting mention but that is about it.

They'll now have a 'Melbourne Storm Hour' on a Tuesday night, but an hour on a station that broadcasts for 168 hours is pathetic.

I love AFL, but I am a sports lover and like to hear discussion about other sports as well. I understand AFL is always going to be #1 and get the majority of discussion, but the amount of discussion it gets is ridiculous.

A little thing I have noticed on The Morning Glory. At 6:30pm when they start going through the papers they only thing they ever mention is AFL (probably because our print media isn't much better when it comes to AFL media saturation), but as soon as Andy or Bill start to mention another sport, generally "Soccer" before they've even got the headline out Tim has already butted in to get the conversation back on AFL.

Sadly a lot of this town has an unhealthy obsession with AFL much like Hollywood has an unhealthy obsession about Britney and Lindsay.

I'd much rather SEN talk about the Storm's rampaging win, or the Victory's latest recruit, or the Vixens inaugural season, or the Tigers GF series than off-field AFL story they'll spend the week talking about.

Hell I turned on SEN last night and they were discussing Mike Sheehan's Top 50 players...who cares? That was 3 days ago, and even then I didn't care because I don't see the big deal with one persons opinion, and it's still making news.

As an "all sports" network they'd spend at least 75% of air time discussing AFL, it's pathetic!

 

[peternorth]

A little thing I have noticed on The Morning Glory. At 6:30pm when they start going through the papers they only thing they ever mention is AFL (probably because our print media isn't much better when it comes to AFL media saturation), but as soon as Andy or Bill start to mention another sport, generally "Soccer" before they've even got the headline out Tim has already butted in to get the conversation back on AFL.

not the first time ive heard about tim bringing everything back to afl.

im not to dissatisfied with afl talk, honestly wouldnt mind more cricket talk in the summer.

tim watson as a sports host? hmmm, maybe it mirrors his special comments on ch7.

 

[pepsi]

I agree Dasher. They lack coverage of other sports and I dislike that about SEN. I have been listening to the station basically since its inception and the footy talk just seems to dominate more and more as we go on. I understand that AFL is the money maker for SEN, but their lack of coverage in some sports is laughable. They do talk Victory and EPL, but basically nothing else on any other league in Europe or around the world (4 diegos excluded). The ever increasing popularity of soccer in Australia means that the amount oftime dedicated to the sport will have to increase. During the cricket season I think there is enough talk on SEN. I think golf gets fair coverage with Mark Allan on the station, it gets the most coverage of an individual sport. While we have coverage of American sports on Sunday nights, during the week, their is a real lack of discussion. Especially with a sport like basketball, it is quite popular in Australia and I think they could increase the coverage of the NBA and NBL. Tennis is also ignored outside of the Australian Open

I personally think they should have ZERO coverage of horse racing. There is a whole radio station dedicated to that (927) and when they ever start to talk about horse racing, or betting on horse racing, I change the station. It is the one thing I can't stand.

And crap off-field stories on AFL that get ari time are very annoying. An OB for a Carlton practise match, arguments for 3 days over someone's top 50 and heaps of other stories that are useless also make me change the station. AFL makes this state go round and SEN have to have a big focus on it, but I just wsh the focus would be on-field topics.

 

[bedford]

Too much Melbourne Victory? HA, that has to be a joke right?

There is not enough Melbourne Victory talk on the station.

The station proclaims to be a "Sports" Entertainment Network, yet listening to them you would swear they are the official 24/7 AFL Radio Network. I love AFL, but I get sick of the pathetic crap they dribble on about when there are bigger sports stories to talk about.

Asian Champions League, start of the NRL season, NBL Grand Final series...all these are taking place over the next week or so yet all we'll hear about is mindless drivel about pointless AFL stories like we've had over the last day or so with his Mike Sheehan list.

who cares about the asian champions league

 

[bedford]

Laughable.

I cannot remember I heard any decent discussion on SEN about the Melbourne Storm. They get a fleeting mention but that is about it.

They'll now have a 'Melbourne Storm Hour' on a Tuesday night, but an hour on a station that broadcasts for 168 hours is pathetic.

I love AFL, but I am a sports lover and like to hear discussion about other sports as well. I understand AFL is always going to be #1 and get the majority of discussion, but the amount of discussion it gets is ridiculous.

A little thing I have noticed on The Morning Glory. At 6:30pm when they start going through the papers they only thing they ever mention is AFL (probably because our print media isn't much better when it comes to AFL media saturation), but as soon as Andy or Bill start to mention another sport, generally "Soccer" before they've even got the headline out Tim has already butted in to get the conversation back on AFL.

Sadly a lot of this town has an unhealthy obsession with AFL much like Hollywood has an unhealthy obsession about Britney and Lindsay.

I'd much rather SEN talk about the Storm's rampaging win, or the Victory's latest recruit, or the Vixens inaugural season, or the Tigers GF series than off-field AFL story they'll spend the week talking about.

Hell I turned on SEN last night and they were discussing Mike Sheehan's Top 50 players...who cares? That was 3 days ago, and even then I didn't care because I don't see the big deal with one persons opinion, and it's still making news.

As an "all sports" network they'd spend at least 75% of air time discussing AFL, it's pathetic!

well dont listen,start a MV community station and you can listen to soccer all the time

 

[Hawthorn United]

who cares about the asian champions league

Is Chris Judd's practise game debut more important than the ACL?

 

[The Frederick]

who cares about the asian champions league

Umm... ASIA? Just a thought. It IS the third biggest club competition on the planet...

 

[Aker39]

who cares about the asian champions league

Well we know that you don't, but there are plenty of us that do.

 

[bedford]

thats fine anybody can like any sport they want or any competition,but all i'm saying is there is too much MV on sen.

in my opinion sen needs a total freshen up,including morning glory which i always enjoyed but is now tired.
kb has p.smith and g.denham who are not popular.
doran is doran so get rid of him,also terrible footy caller
ox worst footy special comments ever and leach can be good but too soccer obsesed (sorry)
finey ,breath of fresh air even if you don't like his views .
overnight i dont listen
matt thomson too much of this guy maybe should be writing soap operas.

new sat.morning show should be the run home,even if you dont like hutchy he and pickers work well together

 

[tess]

Look basketball is attended by who?

The Soccer and Rugby League both move major games to larger venues while Basketball stay in a cage with the capacity of what? 3000..... In a city of 5 Million that makes Basketball a Minor sport. Even the VFL are looking at playing their Grand Final at Telstra Dome to cater for the thousands that will go.

They have Andrew Gaze on who I believe people are sick and tired of, his giggling and voice that sounds like he has a mouth full of marbles has had it's day. The had a few of the Aussies playing in the USA on, so they do a bit of Basketball.

On AFL I don't think they devote any time to the Local Leagues, if they want to position themselves as a sports station why not give time to the Melbourne Metro Local Footy Leagues.

 

[Dan Moody]

Montybrasco, I agree with most of what you say, but no need to sound rude or racist(yes, racist) about it......you are entitled to your opinion, just like Steve is.....To say a bit rich coming from an american is totally unnessary.....your points could be made without that......Steve seems a friendly guy who enjoys being part of BF and our Aussie scene, why be snappy, snarly to someone who just happens to have a different opinion to you......I also thought the Judd thing was over the top, but understand others might be interested, is that a bit rich coming from an Australian?..........lets keep things civil.....and thats MHO......which I'm entitled to!..

i didn't read this as a racist post at all. i appreciate montybrasco and steves comments but just because steves a damn good presenter on sen doesn't mean montybrasco's comments are instantly wrong. i thought he made a good argument. fwiw, i thought it was a bit rich them playing the judd practice match but i still tuned in and listened. sometimes i think the listeners may need to be reminded what is newsworthy and points to sen for attempting to predict this, after all it is judd and not some second tier player making the return.

 

[sjsdu]

Oh dear. Snappy? Snarly? In our politically correct world the first interpretation of a few words is ‘this must be racism, bigotry, prejudice.’ Did you note the lack of an adjective before the word American? So just how did you deduce what my true connotation of "American" was? Yanks have far more rich knowledge of pro sport theory than most Australians and so much so Steve has a radio show with Wyatt Earp. The premise of the post regarding "coming from an American" was not personally at Mistah Salisbury but more at the American sports culture he purportedly understands, that is so insulated to a point of "whooooo, we’re No. 1," and everybody else is boring.

I’ve had a few cheap shots at "Uriah Heep" Salisbury in the past and he knows that phrase was nothing in the realm of racism. And I’ll tell you something, MacMum, there is no Australian at this site that is more pro American - politically (right-wing) and in sports - than this little black duck (no, not racist). Wait. Drat, there I go again. Racist against a duck of colour! Before you e-mail Al Sharpton to challenge my Daffy Duck defence, our native duck is the pacific black duck, colloquially better known as a blackie. Words can be misinterpreted.

No, Monty, I don't think anything I've read that you've written is racist. I am probably a more pro-american australian than you, though.

Personally, I couldn't care less about Chris Judd or the Blues, but I know that the masses find it newsworthy and that is why it's reported.
Wherever you are in this country or the US, the local teams typically get more air time. While I was growing up, if Joe Montana crapped or one of the 49ers got a DUI, there was a Hutchy-type reporter chasing the story. Of course, I loved the 49ers, so that didn't bother me. When I was in San Diego, during and after graduating from college, that same approach drove me crazy because I didn't like the Chargers, Padres or LA Lakers. When I am Perth, Sydney, Brisbane, the same thing happens.

I have listened to Cowherd the last couple times I was in the US and think he does a good job. I didn't hear his "spanning the globe" segment, but that could be a take off of an old show. During the 1970's, Wide World of Sports was the weekly show on ABC and the slogan was "Spanning the globe, to bring you a constant variety of sports..."

People rip the programming, but SEN does a great job of giving fringe sport shows a platform. For this, I am very grateful. If you travel around, you'd be hard pressed to find another station like SEN.

On the insular thing....I have theories on the differences between sport fans here and in the US. One is that we all have finite amount of 'Sporting Bandwidth' and in the US, there is a game every day of the year. The big 4 sports span the entire calendar, then you have the fringe ones...golf, tennis, auto racing, etc. Most american people don't need to look elsewhere because, with all the espn, fox sports, satellite sports radio, it is in their faces 24x7. This can be discussed over a cold beer sometime.
Anyway, thanks for your well thought contributions to the thread.