The Serious Covid Thread - For Those Who Want Serious Discussion

[TheGreatGrundy]

Got my flu shot yesterday and we were talking about the covid shot and this. Likened it to a shark attack and a car crash, unless the car crash is an absolutely horror show ala Final Destination type event then a single shark attack will always ‘outrank’ it in importance of coverage.
Despite the needless loss of hundreds of lives on the roads yearly.

If you want to see what road accidents can achieve, check out Thailand's yearly fatalities, keeping in mind that people who don't die at the scene are not included.

 

[Markfs]

i read here that some people are going to delay getting the jab until they can get the pfizer version. I think the differing rules should end in a couple of months and then people should be allowed to get whatever they can get access to....with a definite date for phased opening of the borders.

in other words, if people choose not to get the jab when they could, the country shouldnt continue to have a closed border for them. I believe people should have the right to take their chances on catching the virus.

 

[TradeDraft]

Had my Flu Vaccine last Saturday

 

[TradeDraft]

My friend is holidaying at Lord Howe Island at the moment and didn't need the vaccine jab to go there.

True BUT IF a Cluster Starts there or in Victoria she might have to go into 14 Day Lockdown on her Return and don't really want that to Happen

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

True BUT IF a Cluster Starts there or in Victoria she might have to go into 14 Day Lockdown on her Return and don't really want that to Happen

Them's the risks Dave. The alternative is to go absolutely nowhere outside the state.

 

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Them's the risks Dave. The alternative is to go absolutely nowhere outside the state.

Heard things might be Relaxed for People who are Fully Vaccinated

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Heard things might be Relaxed for People who are Fully Vaccinated

Overseas they already are - Europe has opened up to tourists from a number of countries, including our's. Except we can't get of here to go there unless for longer than 3 months and we are prepared to quarantine here if we can ever get on a flight to return.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Is Andrew Stafford someone special? Beyond myself, I don't know many people.

 

[TradeDraft]

Overseas they already are - Europe has opened up to tourists from a number of countries, including our's. Except we can't get of here to go there unless for longer than 3 months and we are prepared to quarantine here if we can ever get on a flight to return.

I think that is only for Fully Vaccinated People.

Guess I can go on Holidays in Europe then

 

[TradeDraft]

Is Andrew Stafford someone special? Beyond myself, I don't know many people.

Is Freelance Journalist.

I not heard of him but I agree with his Tweet

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Bet she put her hand out for the Covid supplements..

Health authority 'disheartened' as hairdresser bans COVID-vaccinated clients

An anti-vax hairdresser in south-west Victoria is criticised after announcing on social media that she's banning customers who have received a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.abc.net.au

Some people will do anything to avoid earning money!

 

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Mutant COVID strains 'will come' to Australia, expert warns (msn.com)

 

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[sr36]

I have no doubt that the mutant strains will come to us.
I did find it interesting that more than 50% of infections in the second wave came from 20-39 year olds.
The very demographic a poster on this site told me was the least of our worries when I called the demographic irresponsible and selfish for not following the basic rules that government had put in place.

You might want to check out what percentage of these infections were caught at work doing the essential employment that enabled a lockdown to work. A lockdown that most abided by to protect the over 50s who make up the vast majority of severe cases and deaths and thus are the reason we need to lockdown. Many whom are now refusing to be vaccinated, thus making another lockdown necessary if covid gets out again.

If we are going to point to a generation where large numbers are behaving selfishly, I know where I'd point the finger.

 

[TradeDraft]

You might want to check out what percentage of these infections were caught at work doing the essential employment that enabled a lockdown to work. A lockdown that most abided by to protect the over 50s who make up the vast majority of severe cases and deaths and thus are the reason we need to lockdown. Many whom are now refusing to be vaccinated, thus making another lockdown necessary if covid gets out again.

If we are going to point to a generation where large numbers are behaving selfishly, I know where I'd point the finger.

People who Refuse to get Vaccinated when they can can't really sook about Lockdowns

 

[sr36]

I have checked the figures, as you requested, and suprise surprise, the figures affirm my assertion.
First wave, 42% of infections under 40. Second wave, 59% under 40!

What to keep in mind when you look at Victoria's daily coronavirus numbers

Victorians watch for daily coronavirus numbers like we used to check the weather forecast. Here's how to read the figures and navigate the rollercoaster graphs.

www.theage.com.au

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And I’m guessing that most of those are from behaviours like this;

‘Think about those planning funerals’: Melburnians partying in lockdown slammed

Twenty people were sprung by police throwing a drunken party in a Melbourne apartment last night, in the latest example of “selfish” behaviour by rule-breakers.

www.news.com.au

Nice, but you don't seem to have checked out the figures I suggested you check out. Percentage of those cases caught in the workplace.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Nice, but you don't seem to have checked out the figures I suggested you check out. Percentage of those cases caught in the workplace.

Anecdotally, my observation of people's behaviour during the lockdowns is that younger people did not give a * in comparison to the over 50's. I am not sure who caught what where, but in terms of socialising, younger people took liberties that I doubt the over 50's would have even dreamed of doing.

 

[TradeDraft]

Anecdotally, my observation of people's behaviour during the lockdowns is that younger people did not give a fu** in comparison to the over 50's. I am not sure who caught what where, but in terms of socialising, younger people took liberties that I doubt the over 50's would have even dreamed of doing.

That is a Big Problem that lot of Kids/Young Adults just did not care about other People and Just think of Themselves on not think of people that not them

 

[sr36]

That is a Big Problem that lot of Kids/Young Adults just did not care about other People and Just think of Themselves on not think of people that not them

I think that most peoples attitudes throughout this have been driven by self interest and any over 50 should be very grateful for the generally enormous amount of compliance that that age group gave, considering it is a disease that didn't pose a huge threat to them. Gratitude should be the sentiment.

And frankly, accusations of selfishness to any social demographic en masse are poor, but particularly when they came from Black_White who desperately wanted Melbourne locked down to protect his patch and probably will again if there is another outbreak Yet doesn't seem to have gotten himself vaccinated yet... Let's risk those in their 20s having to shut down their lives again whilst I wait for a slightly better vaccine for me.

 

[sr36]

So no actual figures or proof?
No?
Didn’t think so.

You're the one who needs proof, as you're making widespread claims of selfishness. During Vic lockdown, they published that data - the majority of Victorias case were workplace related. And I'd be willing to bet the majority of essential workers were in the age brackets you're making discriminatory accusations about.

Have you examined your own selfishishness on this matter?

 

[Lip Gallagher]

Imagine if MERS was as infectious, MERS had a mortality rate of around 10%, some say higher, MERS was also a corona virus.

 

[sr36]

Imagine if MERS was as infectious, MERS had a mortality rate of around 10%, some say higher, MERS was also a corona virus.

Mers is worse than that, 1 in 3 confirmed cases died. Sars was about 10%

 

[Lip Gallagher]

Mers is worse than that, 1 in 3 confirmed cases died. Sars was about 10%

You're correct, Mers was over 30%.

Covid 19 has a mortality rate of 1ish and it shut down the planet, imagine if the mortality rate was 30%, it would be the end of the world as we know it, maybe we could consider ourselves lucky Covid 19 isn't the big one, and the big one is coming, mark my words, we've 3 new corona viruses in the last 20 years alone.