Rules The siren rules need to change

[SuperSub17]

Yesterday in the Carlton-St Kilda game we had Jack Silvagni being denied a shot at goal at 3QT when a non-controlling umpire heard the siren before the mark was taken (correctly as it turned out). Despite them protesting, the umpires correctly explained the rule:

10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire

Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires or emergency field Umpire hears the siren.

Last week we saw Jason Castagna take a mark at the end of the game which was clearly after the siren, but somehow the umpires didn't hear it in time and Richmond was given an extra goal. Dale Thomas told the umpire to review it but he was told that they weren't allowed to.

Does anyone else think this is a disaster waiting to happen?

Imagine a close final (or any other game really) where this happens and could determine a result. As it stands now what happened in Richmond-Carlton was 100% within the rules as no umpire heard the siren before Castagna took the mark. Does anyone think this is a fair outcome?

Why can we not simply write the rule as "play ends when the siren sounds" and give the reviewers the opportunity to look at it if necessary?

 

[MemoryLane]

Audio and video files wont match. Need to light up the posts a la NBA to give a good look

 

[Dazzler9]

Look up "Sirengate". Freo vs Saints circa 2005/06. Utter farce.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

The disaster is that people don't understand the rule. The umpire has to signal as well

 

[MemoryLane]

The disaster is that people don't understand the rule. The umpire has to signal as well

The biggest disaster is that the rules are so stupid. Siren goes - thats it.

Same with stopping the clock only when a goal umpire signals.

Like * me, stop the clock when the ball crosses the line.

 

[SuperSub17]

The disaster is that people don't understand the rule. The umpire has to signal as well

Correct, but you often get people (like Silvagni yesterday) wrongly claiming that the quarter isn't over until the whistle. The whistle is just a signal - it's over when the umpire hears the siren.

The problem is he has to judge what happened before or after, and there are often mistakes. It's like asking cricket umpires not to go upstairs for close runouts.

 

[RAPPA]

The disaster is the ineptitude of umpires these days.

 

[maskmcgee]

Same with stopping the clock only when a goal umpire signals.

Like fu** me, stop the clock when the ball crosses the line.

And without waiting for the umpire to signal how do you know when the ball's crossed the line?

 

[blue harvest]

The disaster is that people don't understand the rule. The umpire has to signal as well

But the game ends when he hears it. It might take a second or 2 for him to signal it, but any play during that delay doesn't count.

 

[Back One Out]

It’s funny the way people think God is controlling the clock and that the time remaining is an exact measure.

The reality is you’ve got paid employees keeping the time, watching the umps and clicking time off and time on throughout the quarter. It’s inexact to begin with. Each umpire would also signal time on/off at slightly different speeds.

Let’s keep some human element in the game.

Even if you called for “clock review”, you’ve still got some nuffy making a subjective decision about whether the marking player touched the ball before the siren went.

Let’s not go down the path of reviewing every fricken contentious decision and giving each club 3 “challenges” or whatever.

Let the umps do their job and everyone stick with their decision.

 

[MemoryLane]

And without waiting for the umpire to signal how do you know when the ball's crossed the line?

Well you could either make it the start of their action or you know, use the available technology that allows soccer to tell when a ball has gone over a fixed line

 

[blue harvest]

It’s funny the way people think God is controlling the clock and that the time remaining is an exact measure.

The reality is you’ve got paid employees keeping the time, watching the umps and clicking time off and time on throughout the quarter. It’s inexact to begin with. Each umpire would also signal time on/off at slightly different speeds.

Let’s keep some human element in the game.

Even if you called for “clock review”, you’ve still got some nuffy making a subjective decision about whether the marking player touched the ball before the siren went.

Let’s not go down the path of reviewing every fricken contentious decision and giving each club 3 “challenges” or whatever.

Let the umps do their job and everyone stick with their decision.

Yep and also remember sound travels about 340m a second so in the crowd you may hear it slightly before it makes it to the ump depending where you are sitting. TV introduces even more margin for error.