- May 29, 2013
- AFL Club
- St Kilda
It's inevitable North will move to Tassie
Not because they want to but they will have to
Not because they want to but they will have to
My mum's family are rabid St.Kilda fans. Fortunately my father's family had more influence so I tiger I am but have always had a soft spot for the Saints.
Hawthorn is an interesting comparison. Obviously kids jumped on board on the back of some unprecedented success. They won flags in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s 00’and 10s. Between the 83 and 91 they played in 8 grand finals in 9 seasons. And yet by 1996 they went within a whisker of merging with Melbourne. Believe me their supporters are used to winning and if they don’t get back to the pointy end within a few years they will drop off in droves and in 10 -15 years it might be Hawthorn being propped up by the AFL. No club is immune. Richmond and Collingwood, two superpowers, have had to rattle the tin in recent years so I caution against any club getting too smug about the St. Kilda situation.
IMO the more recent St. Kilda situation was created by a perfect storm of ineptitude and circumstances. A forced move and $hit stadium deal at Docklands, the short-sighted (read idiotic) move to Seaford, and after a period contending the re-build aligned with the introduction of two expansion clubs and compromised drafts. This was exacerbated by some appalling recruiting which has led to a decade of mediocrity on and off the field.
They won in a final in 2020 and just missed in 2021 with arguably the toughest draw and worst run of injuries to top players. While obviously they need to stand on their own two feet, they seem to be fighting their way out of it and IMO are better placed then a few other clubs.
Hate to say I told you so.....but I told you so:Seriously I think it's a waste of time conversing with you.
Would we add that they were practically kicked out of Moorabbin over re-development and gaming disagreements? I wasn't across all that crap at the time, but it seems like the move to Seaford was pretty much forced on them as the Kingston council were being pricks? Millions of dollars down the drain. I don't know what the stances were on pokies, but St Kilda had the least revenue from these of all Victorian clubs (just 1%) apart from the Roos who don't have any. So what was the problem here?
And yeah we were royally screwed and forced into a dud deal at Docklands, again losing mega bucks every damn match for years. All at the hands of the AFL.
The drafts, oh the drafts!! The successes of 2009/10 left us without pretty picks, but this also coincided with the Suns and Giants entering the league, happy bloody days for us! These drafts were literally a waste of time for us, but even after this we still butchered the drafts up until about 2014. That's six years in a row of rubbish recruiting. As you said, it just exacerbated the deep trough we were heading towards.
But now we've turned it around against a massive tide that was going against us. We're on the right track now, just need to stay on the path and hope that no one, including ourselves, screws us over again. It's terrible having fans going at each other over survival or relocations etc. FFS we need everyone sticking around and supporting each other! There will always be clubs on the bottom, Hawks, Demons, Kangas, Bulldogs, Saints, we've all been there. If anyone dies it just means that you're closer to being next.
In the mid 2000s the Saints were 2nd on the Vic membership ladder, only behind Collingwood. 2nd highest!! No doubt since then that we've also let ourselves down with our management and lack of community engagement for far too long, as well as some incredibly dour football. For some reason I was checking out Collingwood's memberships and what they offer. It's quite obvious that club sponsorship has a decent influence on membership tallies. The discount I can get on an Emirates flight by purchasing a Collingwood membership pays for itself. It makes ME want to buy a bloody toothless membership from them! I'm sure they have members who don't even follow footy, let alone Collingwood, just for the discounts and benefits!
St Kilda was never in the top 2 for membership.
Peak St Kilda was 2005/06 where they were 8th / 9th in the AFL and 5th in Victoria
More info here - http://www.footyindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/1984-2021-AFL-club-members-Julyt10.png
You sure North are in debt? As I have been brainwashed or been told, North have turned a profit in 11 of the last 12 years or 12 oit of the last 13 years.They sure as s**t are debt. You owe that money one way or another.
Now do the members equity and assets for both clubs
Propped up by the tassie taxpayer. Not for much longer.You sure North are in debt? As I have been brainwashed or been told, North have turned a profit in 11 of the last 12 years or 12 oit of the last 13 years.
And thats despite playing in the same ground as your mob the docklands in which teams play home games there, get horrible deals There.
Even in a season stuffed with covid like 2020, north managed to turn a profit when literally no one rocked up LoL
Yep. Carlton have more than St Kilda. I got the point from your off topic post.
I wish Saints had been more dominant in the non-professional, non equalized era of football. A simpler, easier time.
So back to the original conversation? Great. You'll be delighted to know that St Kilda will pay off their debt and return to profitability, although how it affects you I'm ducked if I know.Good for you brother.
The Saints paying their way would certainly be a welcome first …