Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

[Pure_Ownage]

And in theory those officials are more expert or listen to expert with processes in place to get that information to the officials rather than the general public.

That would be a lovely theory if our elected officials were experts or knew how to listen to experts

 

[Reginald Perrin]

And in theory those officials are more expert or listen to expert with processes in place to get that information to the officials rather than the general public.

That would be a lovely theory if our elected officials were experts or knew how to listen to experts

The best outcome for the general population is that our politicians have a broad range of experience and are therefore not experts at anything. Experts tend to have a narrow focus and can miss other vital aspects which should be considered. It is also possible for two similarly qualified people to come up with different conclusions.

I once held a site meeting with two engineers to discuss how to address a flooding issue on a road. They both agreed on the method for addressing the issue, but couldn't agree on which way the river was running. I took the advice of both "experts", then ignored the idiot who couldn't read the signs.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

That would be a lovely theory if our elected officials were experts or knew how to listen to experts

As much as it has flaws I still think they listen to more than the general public are experts or listen to experts

 

[Kappa]

Why is the vote delayed till Dec 3rd?

Politicians love to make everything that could take days take months, disgusting waste of time and money as usual.

 

[Truetiger]

Why is the vote delayed till Dec 3rd?

Politicians love to make everything that could take days take months, disgusting waste of time and money as usual.

All i have The House of Assembly will debate the stadium on November 13, while the Legislative Council has set aside December 3 and 4 for its crucial vote. So the Legislative Council picked the dates.

 

[BomberManU]

From The Mercury today:
A key analysis promoting Tasmania’s $1.13bn stadium failed to include loan repayments and depreciation costs in its forecasts, a parliamentary inquiry has heard.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Also from The Mercury today -
... Tasmania will lose national confidence and multiple sporting investments if Parliament rejects the government's $1.13bn stadium order.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Governor makes Macquarie Point stadium order as minister warns of no plan B

It will have no effect until it is considered and approved by parliament…

pulsetasmania.com.au

 

[TassieSaint]

From The Mercury today:
A key analysis promoting Tasmania’s $1.13bn stadium failed to include loan repayments and depreciation costs in its forecasts, a parliamentary inquiry has heard.

Which analysis?

 

[The_Wookie]

Mr Perry found that the stadium would cost about $44.5m per year to finance the debt for the club and stadium, which he said would together generate “at least” $220m in new economic activity per year – a return of $4.97 each year for every dollar spent from the state budget.

- did not include the cost of repaying loans taken out to build the stadium, just the interest cost. “There’s no repayment of capital in there, and the reason for that is, as I said at the beginning, there’s no reason why the government needs to repay the capital,” he said.

- He said stadiums like Rome’s Colosseum and the Sydney Cricket Ground had stood for long periods so the depreciation was quite low, and the Macquarie Point stadium could stand for 80 years. “If you use 80 [years] as the figure, then the impact on your total cost, assuming this is a $1.13bn total, is 14 million a year,” he said.

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/stadium-repayments-left-out-of-benefit-analysis/news-story/63a3d8452f46d9bae4bee73d47a39420

 

[The_Wookie]

29.10.25 TASMANIA STATEMENT AFL COO Tom Harley met with a delegation of two members of the Tasmanian Greens and two Independents today. He listened to a range of views and appreciated the group travelling to AFL House and putting those views forward. The AFL’s continued position is a clear component of the licence bid from the Tasmanian taskforce was a new roofed stadium at Macquarie Point with a capacity of at least 23,000. It is a condition for the grant of the 19th licence and that position has not changed. The AFL look forward to the vote on the stadium in the coming weeks and the state continuing to build on the momentum and progress already made by the Tasmania Devils and their 214,000 members. -ends-

 

[Truetiger]

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​ ​ 29.10.25 TASMANIA STATEMENT AFL COO Tom Harley met with a delegation of two members of the Tasmanian Greens and two Independents today. He listened to a range of views and appreciated the group travelling to AFL House and putting those views forward. The AFL’s continued position is a clear component of the licence bid from the Tasmanian taskforce was a new roofed stadium at Macquarie Point with a capacity of at least 23,000. It is a condition for the grant of the 19th licence and that position has not changed. The AFL look forward to the vote on the stadium in the coming weeks and the state continuing to build on the momentum and progress already made by the Tasmania Devils and their 214,000 members. -ends-

Don’t know why they bothered really

 

[JHF1870]

Don’t know why they bothered really

The Greens in Tassie, or Greens in general really like to dig their feet in. I can't see how this works tbh. I can't see a viable compromise from them to get a team. We all saw last season how bad the footy was in Launceston with poor weather. They hold all the power in getting it over the line and will argue that it's in the public's best interest etc.

The Greens have no concept of building a prosperous economy. These arguments were all made re Adelaide Oval and now it's become one of the greatest moves in last 20 years. The stadium itself will generate huge tourism and provide a post logging economy. I've come to despise what the Greens represent.

I think this is going to fail.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

The Greens in Tassie, or Greens in general really like to dig their feet in. I can't see how this works tbh. I can't see a viable compromise from them to get a team. We all saw last season how bad the footy was in Launceston with poor weather. They hold all the power in getting it over the line and will argue that it's in the public's best interest etc.

The Greens have no concept of building a prosperous economy. These arguments were all made re Adelaide Oval and now it's become one of the greatest moves in last 20 years. The stadium itself will generate huge tourism and provide a post logging economy. I've come to despise what the Greens represent.

I think this is going to fail.

I think the Greens will support it, if the projected financial figures are acceptable.
The stadium's biggest issue is cost vs. tiny population.
I'd like the AFL to be open to a plan 'B'.

 

[2 eazy]

Would you say its a coin flip on whether it passes?

 

[JHF1870]

I think the Greens will support it, if the projected financial figures are acceptable.
The stadium's biggest issue is cost vs. tiny population.
I'd like the AFL to be open to a plan 'B'.

They'll attract much more tourism and i'm not buying the 'tiny' population argument.

 

[TradeDraft]

Macquarie Point stadium decision set for December as key dates locked in

MPs and MLCs will soon face a yes-or-no decision on an order…

pulsetasmania.com.au

So we will know 100% then IF Tassie is getting a Stadium/Team then 100%?

 

[BoomerRoo]

They, being the Greens and Independents, were told right from the start, "No Stadium = No Team".

They chose to travel to Melbourne at their own cost to meet with the "AFL", which is fine, only to come out exasperated and perplexed, because they were told face to face, much to their displeasure "No Stadium = No Team".

Go figure!

 

[TradeDraft]

Governor makes Macquarie Point stadium order as minister warns of no plan B

It will have no effect until it is considered and approved by parliament…

pulsetasmania.com.au

Because there is no Plan B as AFL has said No Stadium with Roof then No Team

 

[Turbochook]

Personally, I think this is more concerning in terms of getting the stadium through parliament, why on earth Rockliff released the terms of reference before the stadium vote is perplexing. He must have know it would destroy trust and support for other legislation by the cross bench.

Rockliff will 'rue the day', Peter George says, amid anger over salmon study

A strong critic of Tasmania's salmon industry says the Liberal government has "ambushed" those who supported it to remain in power.

www.abc.net.au

Worst still the budget gets handed down in few weeks and it looks like Abetz will run a truck through the states community services budget.

Abetz's first budget priorities spark concerns for community organisations

Eric Abetz's first budget for Tasmania is coming — and community organisations fear they'll bear the brunt of funding cuts to "repair" the budget.

www.abc.net.au

 

[TassieSaint]

The Greens in Tassie, or Greens in general really like to dig their feet in. I can't see how this works tbh. I can't see a viable compromise from them to get a team. We all saw last season how bad the footy was in Launceston with poor weather. They hold all the power in getting it over the line and will argue that it's in the public's best interest etc.

The Greens have no concept of building a prosperous economy. These arguments were all made re Adelaide Oval and now it's become one of the greatest moves in last 20 years. The stadium itself will generate huge tourism and provide a post logging economy. I've come to despise what the Greens represent.

I think this is going to fail.

How do they hold any power? It all rests with the independent upper house MLCs.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Personally, I think this is more concerning in terms of getting the stadium through parliament, why on earth Rockliff released the terms of reference before the stadium vote is perplexing. He must have know it would destroy trust and support for other legislation by the cross bench.

Rockliff will 'rue the day', Peter George says, amid anger over salmon study

A strong critic of Tasmania's salmon industry says the Liberal government has "ambushed" those who supported it to remain in power.

www.abc.net.au

Worst still the budget gets handed down in few weeks and it looks like Abetz will run a truck through the states community services budget.

Abetz's first budget priorities spark concerns for community organisations

Eric Abetz's first budget for Tasmania is coming — and community organisations fear they'll bear the brunt of funding cuts to "repair" the budget.

www.abc.net.au

That wont make George happy.

 

[jj15]

The stadium will be built, it’s never been in doubt. You could show all the evidence you want that it will lose money and we are in a bad financial position, people DGAF.
Fact is as soon as a team was an option dependant of a stadium there is no Labor or Liberal Gov that would have the nuts to say no.
The AFL are in control here and the masses are plugged in.

People don’t care their taxes will pay for it, we already pay for jobless people to take the urine, hospitals to be overrun by smokers and the obese and the endless governmental bureaucrats.

 

[lanson15]

The stadium will be built, it’s never been in doubt. You could show all the evidence you want that it will lose money and we are in a bad financial position, people DGAF.
Fact is as soon as a team was an option dependant of a stadium there is no Labor or Liberal Gov that would have the nuts to say no.
The AFL are in control here and the masses are plugged in.

People don’t care their taxes will pay for it, we already pay for jobless people to take the urine, hospitals to be overrun by smokers and the obese and the endless governmental bureaucrats.

Why so confident? At the end of the day way more people care about hospitals and government services even if not efficient compared to sport. Its not as if every Tasmanian loves Aussie Rules, ones who don't watch will be opposed.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Why so confident? At the end of the day way more people care about hospitals and government services even if not efficient compared to sport. Its not as if every Tasmanian loves Aussie Rules, ones who don't watch will be opposed.

Because people are understanding of the idea of bold thinking of big investment projects to change the path that Tasmania is on, and more hospital and services funding doesn't do anything structurally to the state in terms of the problems it faces (e.g., skilled young employees and the knowledge economy remaining within the state).

People are confident because it's not as if there's a realistic alternate plan of action. What other massive 8-figure investment do people propose that will be comparable in terms of state pride, tourism, health, and job opportunities? The fact that nobody can come up with a comparable proposal suggests there isn't a better one.

The stadium may not be guaranteed, but the benefits of an AFL team are real. The reason it may not be guaranteed because I think confidence in how often and the economic benefits of non-AFL events in the stadium - it's dubious that sports events will get 20,000 for non BBL and AFL, or that entertainers and national tours will still want to go to Hobart (I'm sceptical of that).

But given all that I'm surprised that e.g. the Tasmania government hasn't looked to get more bang for their buck in terms of what's guaranteed to fill the stadium - more AFL games. A 19th team needs a 24th game - what if we had a first week of March season-opener Gather Round and launch in Tasmania?