The state of the Giants and Suns

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werdna78

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Grassroots, Tasmania, NT & Riverina.
Grassroots - who at a grassroots level would you give the money too?
Tasmania - population 525000 (sea locked), should get a team, is right thing to do, but will be financially limited.
NT - population 243000 (too small)
Riverina -population 156000 (already has a good local comp)

Gold Coast - 550,000 people in the city plus another 3 million in south east Queensland and still growing just like western Sydney.
GWS - 2,000,000

More people, means more potential customers.

Not sure why there is so much hatred against the Suns and Giants. Even Sydney had to move out of South Melbourne to survive and only just did that with the help of Geoffrey Edelsten, until it was was bailed out by the AFL.
 

jackenny

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Half the comp are money pits and require the AFL to top them up. And without those teams there wouldn't be a competition.
Exactly.

People forget that the AFL is a non-profit. It isn't wholly about money, anyway. That type of money-first mentality is part of the reason we end up with BS like AFL X. It's the reason we have a terrible score review system that will never go away because a 'drink wise' ad has been added to the screen when a decision is pending (talk about a financial incentive to keep it). People with a money-first approach are the most toxic part of the AFL and should be rightly ignored. AFL was originally about, and should always be about, the game and the love of the game. Expanding in QLD and NSW is one of the more genuine things the AFL is doing that isn't being run by bottom-liners.
 

JackFlash

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The way we watch footy is about to change dramatically in coming years. The AFL will not dump the Suns in one of the biggest growth areas in the country, GWS even more so. They are both here to stay, although IMO the Suns might require a complete re-branding at some point. TV is the key, floating fixtures is a real possibility and the AFL would love the Giants to be featured on Friday and Saturday nights...
 

General Giant

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The way we watch footy is about to change dramatically in coming years. The AFL will not dump the Suns in one of the biggest growth areas in the country, GWS even more so. They are both here to stay, although IMO the Suns might require a complete re-branding at some point. TV is the key, floating fixtures is a real possibility and the AFL would love the Giants to be featured on Friday and Saturday nights...
Can they stop giving us early Saturday arvo and Sunday twilight then.
 

werdna78

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The way we watch footy is about to change dramatically in coming years. The AFL will not dump the Suns in one of the biggest growth areas in the country, GWS even more so. They are both here to stay, although IMO the Suns might require a complete re-branding at some point. TV is the key, floating fixtures is a real possibility and the AFL would love the Giants to be featured on Friday and Saturday nights...
If they had used the Southport Sharks as the license, I believe they may have more members.

The reason I think they didn't, is they want to get other clubs off-side on the coast, so they choose a generic club and Southport probably don't don't offer the support they could.

Would it be an issue to rebrand the Gold Coast Suns to the Southport Sharks to reinvigorate the club?
 

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JackFlash

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If they had used the Southport Sharks as the license, I believe they may have more members.

The reason I think they didn't, is they want to get other clubs off-side on the coast, so they choose a generic club and Southport probably don't don't offer the support they could.

Would it be an issue to rebrand the Gold Coast Suns to the Southport Sharks to reinvigorate the club?
I reckon Gil's team of marketing geniuses would be reluctant to do that, Freo changed colours a few years ago, maybe the Gold Coast could do something similar? Something needs to be done to give them a spark....We're all praying to get them twice when the fixture comes out at the end of October, the Lions must be ecstatic knowing they will get to play the Suns two times in 2020!
 

Pippen94

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Grassroots - who at a grassroots level would you give the money too?
Tasmania - population 525000 (sea locked), should get a team, is right thing to do, but will be financially limited.
NT - population 243000 (too small)
Riverina -population 156000 (already has a good local comp)

Gold Coast - 550,000 people in the city plus another 3 million in south east Queensland and still growing just like western Sydney.
GWS - 2,000,000

More people, means more potential customers.

Not sure why there is so much hatred against the Suns and Giants. Even Sydney had to move out of South Melbourne to survive and only just did that with the help of Geoffrey Edelsten, until it was was bailed out by the AFL.
Populations are irrelevant. The areas I listed care for the game & will support teams.
Can they stop giving us early Saturday arvo and Sunday twilight then.
You don't draw Friday or Saturday night either.
 

Pippen94

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Grassroots - who at a grassroots level would you give the money too?
Tasmania - population 525000 (sea locked), should get a team, is right thing to do, but will be financially limited.
NT - population 243000 (too small)
Riverina -population 156000 (already has a good local comp)

Gold Coast - 550,000 people in the city plus another 3 million in south east Queensland and still growing just like western Sydney.
GWS - 2,000,000

More people, means more potential customers.

Not sure why there is so much hatred against the Suns and Giants. Even Sydney had to move out of South Melbourne to survive and only just did that with the help of Geoffrey Edelsten, until it was was bailed out by the AFL.
Population not important if nobody cares. Places I have listed actually follow game. Demographics of Western Sydney are all wrong, that is why club moved from initial base in Blacktown to inner west. Western Sydney is too diverse & multicultural. Seqld is collection of regional centers & is rugby league heartland. Club doesn't have a chance.
 

Pippen94

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Half the comp are money pits and require the AFL to top them up. And without those teams there wouldn't be a competition.
Other clubs have actual real life fans that watch tv & subscribe to foxtel. Broadcast deal a result of these viewers. Two expansion don't contribute to this.
 

General Giant

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Other clubs have actual real life fans that watch tv & subscribe to foxtel. Broadcast deal a result of these viewers. Two expansion don't contribute to this.
Real life fans? Lol 2012 wants it's joke back thugby fan.

Our club is so far in your head that's all you post about.
 

Roylion

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Population not important if nobody cares.
Populations are important.

The AFL want to capture a significant slice of the massive population growth in South East Queensland and they're well on the way to doing so.

2050 projected populations (Australia is projected to have 37.6 million)
  • Tasmania - possibly 650,000 (The Tasmanian Government has set a target to grow the population to 650,000 people by 2050 to drive economic growth)
  • Sydney - 7.7 million
  • South East Queensland - 6 million (including Gold Coast's 1.1 million and Brisbane's 4.2 million).
So continued exposure of AFL at all levels will see growth in participation rates and interest.

And it's far from "nobody" cares. For example there was a 16.87 per cent increase in Australian rules competition participants across club, school, and AFL9s between 2015 and 2016 in Queensland alone. The introduction of the AFL Queensland Schools Cup in 2016 sparked an increase of almost 25% in school participants (419 teams). Female football was one of the fastest growing sectors of the game in Queensland with 87,185 Queensland women and girls playing Australia’s game in 2016 – a jump of 22 per cent. Auskick recorded a 15 per cent increase in club and community run programs in Queensland.

In 2017 overall participation across all levels of the game in Queensland jumped 10.21 per cent to a then record 252,624. in 2018 participation grew by a further 5.2%. Overall all competitions and programs grew to 265,760 participants. Participation in club football grew a further 3.5% to 30,351 participants.

So 30 years down the track with more young people playing AFL that will translate into greater adult interest, greater crowds and greater membership. For young elite athletes there are clear pathways to play at the highest level in Queensland, instead of adopting alternative sports. Having two teams in Queensland enables more Queensland footballers to do that, especially via the Academies.

So it's bleedingly obvious why the AFL established second clubs in Sydney and South-East Queensland and why they will continue to support them financially. The long term benefits are going to be immense and the AFL are clearly looking at a long term strategy.
 

Pippen94

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Populations are important.

The AFL want to capture a significant slice of the massive population growth in South East Queensland and they're well on the way to doing so.

2050 projected populations (Australia is projected to have 37.6 million)
  • Tasmania - possibly 650,000 (The Tasmanian Government has set a target to grow the population to 650,000 people by 2050 to drive economic growth)
  • Sydney - 7.7 million
  • South East Queensland - 6 million (including Gold Coast's 1.1 million and Brisbane's 4.2 million).
So continued exposure of AFL at all levels will see growth in participation rates and interest.

And it's far from "nobody" cares. For example there was a 16.87 per cent increase in Australian rules competition participants across club, school, and AFL9s between 2015 and 2016 in Queensland alone. The introduction of the AFL Queensland Schools Cup in 2016 sparked an increase of almost 25% in school participants (419 teams). Female football was one of the fastest growing sectors of the game in Queensland with 87,185 Queensland women and girls playing Australia’s game in 2016 – a jump of 22 per cent. Auskick recorded a 15 per cent increase in club and community run programs in Queensland.

In 2017 overall participation across all levels of the game in Queensland jumped 10.21 per cent to a then record 252,624. in 2018 participation grew by a further 5.2%. Overall all competitions and programs grew to 265,760 participants. Participation in club football grew a further 3.5% to 30,351 participants.

So 30 years down the track with more young people playing AFL that will translate into greater adult interest, greater crowds and greater membership. For young elite athletes there are clear pathways to play at the highest level in Queensland, instead of adopting alternative sports. Having two teams in Queensland enables more Queensland footballers to do that, especially via the Academies.

So it's bleedingly obvious why the AFL established second clubs in Sydney and South-East Queensland and why they will continue to support them financially. The long term benefits are going to be immense and the AFL are clearly looking at a long term strategy.
Participation numbers are shady beyond hell. Cricket listed 1.6 million players which was found to be way off. AFL claims the same number & it's a contact sport. In reality all contact sports are contracting.
 

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