The Statistics Thread

dogwatch

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How does that work out when Murf, Boydy and Crammers are gone?
We got Trengove in which almost balances out Crameri. Doesn't account for Murphy and Boyd though.
My guess is that (a) other clubs have refreshed with youngsters at least as aggressively as us (the list is average age ranking, not average age) and (b) we were already close to the bottom so it was going to be hard to get much lower, especially when those lower clubs have also lost ageing players.
 

dogwatch

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2018 List Demographics

Average age (change from 2017 ranking):
1. Adelaide (+6)
2. Hawthorn (+1)
3. Geelong (+7)
4. Collingwood (+4)
5. GWS (-3)
6. Port Adelaide (+7)
7. Essendon (-2)
8. Sydney (+8)
9. Melbourne (+3)
10. Fremantle (-6)
11. Richmond (-5)
12. West Coast (-11)
13. Carlton (-4)
14. Bulldogs (=)
15. St. Kilda (-4)
16. North Melbourne (+1)
17. Brisbane (+1)
18. Gold Coast (-3)

Average games:
1. Hawthorn (+1)
2. Port Adelaide (+7)
3. Collingwood (+3)
4. Adelaide (+11)
5. Sydney (+9)
6. Geelong (+5)
7. West Coast (-6)
8. GWS (-5)
9. Fremantle (-4)
10. Richmond (-3)
11. Essendon (-7)
12. Melbourne (+4)
13. Bulldogs (-5)
14. Carlton (+3)
15. Brisbane (+3)
16. Gold Coast (-3)
17. St. Kilda (-7)
18. North Melbourne (-6)
Could you post the average ages and average games played? Would be worth a look if available.
 

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We got Trengove in which almost balances out Crameri. Doesn't account for Murphy and Boyd though.
My guess is that (a) other clubs have refreshed with youngsters at least as aggressively as us (the list is average age ranking, not average age) and (b) we were already close to the bottom so it was going to be hard to get much lower, especially when those lower clubs have also lost ageing players.
nutshell !!

other teams have also lost their older players - eg. Priddis, Mitchell, Hodge, Gibson, Swallow, Maric, etc.
 

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Average meat pie consumption per VFL/AFL game by ivan rassmussen
Early-mid 70s: 0
Late 70s: 1-2
80s: 1-3
90s: 1-2
00s: 0-1
10s: 0

Does anyone have stats for meat pie consumption at VFL/AFL games in the previous 45-50 years? I know my downward trend is related to attending with kids and associated costs, etc, but I'm curious to know what the trends are. I still enjoy a pie btw, probably only manage 1-2 per season these days.
I estimate I've attended around 5-600 games in my life (h&a, finals, pre-season, night series, practice matches). I reckon my best effort was 4 pies vs West Coast R22 1988 at Western Oval. That is probably one of only 4-5 games I have ever consumed alcohol at as well, standing with non-Dogs mates behind the Barkly St goals (something I rarely did), and got interviewed by a young female reporter from the local paper as Eagles goals kept soaring over my head. Only game I ever went home p1ssed from, but the beers and pies didn't even touch the sides...

Tbh, I'm not even sure why I just posted that...!
 

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2018 List Demographics

Average age (change from 2017):
1. Adelaide - 24.6 years (+0.6 years)
2. Hawthorn - 24.6 (-0.1)
3. Geelong - 24.4 (+0.5)
4. Collingwood - 24.4 (+0.5)
5. GWS - 24.3 (-0.2)
6. Port Adelaide - 24.2 (+0.3)
7. Essendon - 24.1 (-0.3)
8. Sydney - 24.0 (+0.3)
9. Melbourne - 24.0 (+0.1)
10. Fremantle - 23.9 (-0.5)
11. Richmond - 23.9 (-0.1)
12. West Coast - 23.9 (-0.9)
13. Carlton - 23.8 (-0.1)
14. Bulldogs - 23.8 (=)
15. St. Kilda - 23.6 (-0.3)
16. North Melbourne - 23.5 (-0.2)
17. Brisbane - 23.5 (+0.7)
18. Gold Coast - 23.1 (-0.7)

Average games (change from 2017)
1. Hawthorn - 74.1 games (-3.1 games)
2. Port Adelaide - 72.5 (+10.3)
3. Collingwood - 69.9 (+6.2)
4. Adelaide - 67.9 (+10.5)
5. Sydney - 65.6 (+7.8)
6. Geelong - 65.4 (+5.5)
7. West Coast - 63.9 (-17.1)
8. GWS - 63.9 (-8.6)
9. Fremantle - 63.2 (-4.1)
10. Richmond - 61.7 (-0.8)
11. Essendon - 57.6 (-9.8)
12. Melbourne - 56.5 (-0.6)
13. Bulldogs - 56.4 (-5.9)
14. Carlton - 56.4 (+4.5)
15. Brisbane - 55.2 (+14.5)
16. Gold Coast - 53.5 (-4.9)
17. St. Kilda - 52.6 (-7.9)
18. North Melbourne - 51.8 (-7.0)

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Average meat pie consumption per VFL/AFL game by ivan rassmussen
Early-mid 70s: 0
Late 70s: 1-2
80s: 1-3
90s: 1-2
00s: 0-1
10s: 0

Does anyone have stats for meat pie consumption at VFL/AFL games in the previous 45-50 years? I know my downward trend is related to attending with kids and associated costs, etc, but I'm curious to know what the trends are. I still enjoy a pie btw, probably only manage 1-2 per season these days.
I estimate I've attended around 5-600 games in my life (h&a, finals, pre-season, night series, practice matches). I reckon my best effort was 4 pies vs West Coast R22 1988 at Western Oval. That is probably one of only 4-5 games I have ever consumed alcohol at as well, standing with non-Dogs mates behind the Barkly St goals (something I rarely did), and got interviewed by a young female reporter from the local paper as Eagles goals kept soaring over my head. Only game I ever went home p1ssed from, but the beers and pies didn't even touch the sides...

Tbh, I'm not even sure why I just posted that...!
Similar to my coke and chocolate consumption on the way to and from games......
 

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2018 List Demographics

Average age (change from 2017):
1. Adelaide - 24.6 years (+0.6 years)
2. Hawthorn - 24.6 (-0.1)
3. Geelong - 24.4 (+0.5)
4. Collingwood - 24.4 (+0.5)
5. GWS - 24.3 (-0.2)
6. Port Adelaide - 24.2 (+0.3)
7. Essendon - 24.1 (-0.3)
8. Sydney - 24.0 (+0.3)
9. Melbourne - 24.0 (+0.1)
10. Fremantle - 23.9 (-0.5)
11. Richmond - 23.9 (-0.1)
12. West Coast - 23.9 (-0.9)
13. Carlton - 23.8 (-0.1)
14. Bulldogs - 23.8 (=)
15. St. Kilda - 23.6 (-0.3)
16. North Melbourne - 23.5 (-0.2)
17. Brisbane - 23.5 (+0.7)
18. Gold Coast - 23.1 (-0.7)

Average games (change from 2017)
1. Hawthorn - 74.1 games (-3.1 games)
2. Port Adelaide - 72.5 (+10.3)
3. Collingwood - 69.9 (+6.2)
4. Adelaide - 67.9 (+10.5)
5. Sydney - 65.6 (+7.8)
6. Geelong - 65.4 (+5.5)
7. West Coast - 63.9 (-17.1)
8. GWS - 63.9 (-8.6)
9. Fremantle - 63.2 (-4.1)
10. Richmond - 61.7 (-0.8)
11. Essendon - 57.6 (-9.8)
12. Melbourne - 56.5 (-0.6)
13. Bulldogs - 56.4 (-5.9)
14. Carlton - 56.4 (+4.5)
15. Brisbane - 55.2 (+14.5)
16. Gold Coast - 53.5 (-4.9)
17. St. Kilda - 52.6 (-7.9)
18. North Melbourne - 51.8 (-7.0)

dogwatch
Thanks.
Apart from the outlier (Gold Coast) those ages are pretty closely clustered around 24.0. It makes sense when you are looking at a full and balanced list of 44. I suspect we will see greater age (and perhaps game) separation when we look at the average age/games of the chosen 22 from each club in any given match. Especially as injuries start to affect who's available.
 

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Average meat pie consumption per VFL/AFL game by ivan rassmussen
Early-mid 70s: 0
Late 70s: 1-2
80s: 1-3
90s: 1-2
00s: 0-1
10s: 0

Does anyone have stats for meat pie consumption at VFL/AFL games in the previous 45-50 years? I know my downward trend is related to attending with kids and associated costs, etc, but I'm curious to know what the trends are. I still enjoy a pie btw, probably only manage 1-2 per season these days.
I estimate I've attended around 5-600 games in my life (h&a, finals, pre-season, night series, practice matches). I reckon my best effort was 4 pies vs West Coast R22 1988 at Western Oval. That is probably one of only 4-5 games I have ever consumed alcohol at as well, standing with non-Dogs mates behind the Barkly St goals (something I rarely did), and got interviewed by a young female reporter from the local paper as Eagles goals kept soaring over my head. Only game I ever went home p1ssed from, but the beers and pies didn't even touch the sides...

Tbh, I'm not even sure why I just posted that...!
This characteristic rise and fall gives rise to the classic shape that statisticians like to call the pie curve ...

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I have been trying to construct a list of who kicked the first goal in every final we have played. I was able to obtain most of this information from old Sporting Globe newspapers from the internet and Melbourne State Library. I have some gaps which hopefully a few others might know about so I can add them to the table later. I have seen some games from the 1980s onward on YouTube but still some gaps remain. I have used the great AFL Tables website for all finals from 2008 onward. I have been fortunate with The Sporting Globe's method of setting out a quarter by quarter analysis of all games which allowed me to go right up to 1976 before I had trouble finding some info. I have put the minute mark of the first quarter wherever it was mentioned.

Brett Montgomery and Chris Grant feature three times whilst Harvey Stevens, Mitch Hahn and Liam Picken feature twice.

season

game

opponent

first goalkicker

minute mark

1938

1st semi

Collingwood

Cliff McRae



1942

1st semi

South Melbourne

Norm Ware



1944

1st semi

Essendon

Ron Grove



1946

1st semi

Melbourne

Arthur Olliver



1948

1st semi

Collingwood

Merv Laffey



1951

1st semi

Essendon

Dave Bryden



1953

1st semi

Essendon

Alan Trusler



1953

prelim

Geelong

Harvey Stevens



1954

2nd semi

Geelong

Brian Gilmore



1954

grand final

Melbourne

Jack Collins



1956

1st semi

Geelong

Max Cross

15

1956

prelim

Collingwood

Harvey Stevens

17

1961

1st semi

St. Kilda

Merv Hobbs

2

1961

prelim

Melbourne

Ted Whitten

17

1961

grand final

Hawthorn

John Quarrell

4

1974

elim

Collingwood

Laurie Sandilands



1976

elim

Geelong

Kelvin Templeton

14

1985

qual

Hawthorn





1985

1st semi

North Melbourne

Allen Daniels

7

1985

prelim

Hawthorn

Jim Sewell

40 secs

1992

qual

Geelong

Brian Royal



1992

1st semi

St. Kilda

Chris Grant

27 secs

1992

prelim

Geelong

Steve Macpherson

23

1994

1st qual

Geelong

Kym Koster

19

1994

1st semi

Melbourne

Nigel Kellett

13

1995

3rd qual

Geelong

Richard Osborne

14

1997

2nd qual

Sydney

Brett Montgomery

1

1997

1st prelim

Adelaide

James Cook



1998

3rd qual

West Coast

Brett Montgomery

3

1998

1st prelim

Adelaide





1999

1st qual

West Coast





1999

2nd semi

Brisbane Lions

Chris Grant

24

2000

2nd elim

Brisbane Lions





2006

1st elim

Collingwood

Brett Montgomery



2006

1st semi

West Coast

Chris Grant



2008

2nd qual

Hawthorn

Brad Johnson

11

2008

2nd semi

Sydney

Bob Murphy

9

2008

1st prelim

Geelong

Shaun Higgins

8

2009

2nd qual

Geelong

Ben Hudson

1

2009

2nd semi

Brisbane Lions

Jason Akermanis

7

2009

1st prelim

St. Kilda

Liam Picken

5

2010

1st qual

Collingwood

Mitch Hahn

4 (2nd Q)

2010

1st semi

Sydney

Barry Hall

8

2010

2nd prelim

St. Kilda

Mitch Hahn

16

2015

2nd elim

Adelaide

Stewart Crameri

1

2016

2nd elim

West Coast

Liam Picken

12

2016

2nd semi

Hawthorn

Easton Wood

22

2016

1st prelim

G. W. S.

Clay Smith

5

2016

grand final

Sydney

Zaine Cordy

19
 
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Was just having a little play on the AFL website and was quite shocked to find out that we are currently #1 in the competition for disposal efficiency, marks inside 50 and total marks. Also, have had the least clangers in the comp.

Just found it interesting how statistically we're actually going alright in most categories except for contested possessions and goalkicking accuracy.
 

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It's not all that surprising.

Averaging 19 disposals over your first three games in 2018 would be similar to averaging 15 disposals over your first three games in 2000. It's a much different game than 20 years ago, and one of the major statistical changes are the higher amount of disposals per player, per game.
 

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It's not all that surprising.

Averaging 19 disposals over your first three games in 2018 would be similar to averaging 15 disposals over your first three games in 2000. It's a much different game than 20 years ago, and one of the major statistical changes are the higher amount of disposals per player, per game.
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It's not all that surprising.

Averaging 19 disposals over your first three games in 2018 would be similar to averaging 15 disposals over your first three games in 2000. It's a much different game than 20 years ago, and one of the major statistical changes are the higher amount of disposals per player, per game.
Then he would only be better than 15 out of that list :thumbsu:
 

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With Bont announced as being available for the weekend, it looks like we'll have three players in as many weeks playing their 100th game while also captaining the side. Surely that's never happened before.
 

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I have never been very good at music but here I am blowing my own trumpet. I have just created a quiz on the Sporcle website in which you have to name as many Footscray/Western Bulldogs players as you can who have kicked a goal for us in a finals game. There is 153 names in total and all names are listed alphabetically. There will be some names you will know straight away without having to read about their playing career. Anyway, if you fancy yourself with Bulldogs player history, you might feel it worthwhile having a go. I hope 12 minutes is long enough. In case you have never played any Sporcle quizzes before, you only need to type in a surname.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/worbod/footscraywestern-bulldogs-finals-goal-kickers
 

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