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For Gaso. Here's a statue

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The Gumbuya Park menace!
 
Tender Touch or Zondor deserves one.:Stern look.
 
Mcarcherey said:
pretty sure there are thousands of residents within a 5km radius...not to mention all the other melbournians who travel into the city.



i gave you a very reasonable reason as to why the statue would be objected to, i provided no opinion.

now you're just trying to jump to the conclusion that i don't like the statue just so you can use all the other arguments ppl have used against other who don't like the statue. STOP working backwards from your prejudice and just provide a rebuttal.



if the private company was granted a charter by the state govt and city then that means it's indirectly answerable to the citizens. i'm not going to bother reading Fed Square Pty Ltd's constitution but one can only assume it's to serve the best interests of the citizens of Melbourne.

Since that is the case said citizens should have some kind of say in what's displayed in these public spaces where they spend their recreational time.




no we're not, i posted about it being in a public space well before i said that.
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Its a stupid reason. No reasonable person with a brain would offer it as a reason to object.

We were specificaly talking about Engimal v3's lightbulb moment statue. That's why you said no offence. Should you be the guy in the lightbulb statue? You make that much sense sometimes.










Tough Luck Gaso. Was asking for trouble tho.
 
ferball said:
Its a stupid reason. No reasonable person with a brain would offer it as a reason to object.

We were specificaly talking about Engimal v3's lightbulb moment statue. That's why you said no offence. Should you be the guy in the lightbulb statue? You make that much sense sometimes.










Tough Luck Gaso. Was asking for trouble tho.
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ok, so just to clarify, you think that 'because no one in the community was consulted about erecting a statue in a very public space which is clearly controlled by entities that serve the best interest of said community' that it's a "stupid reason" for the statue to be taken down?

and my post about it being in a public place was 13 minutes before Engimalv3 posted about having a statue of him...

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Mcarcherey said:
ok, so just to clarify, you think that 'because no one in the community was consulted about erecting a statue in a very public space which is clearly controlled by entities that serve the best interest of said community' that it's a "stupid reason" for the statue to be taken down?

and my post about it being in a public place was 13 minutes before Engimalv3 posted about having a statue of him...

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For the sake of future lulz in a decade or so...

I quoted you responding to him talking about a staue of himself in that specific instance. FFS. Go back and look at your post properly.

Its here:

This is the bit:

E3 - Sure, but I don't think that's what bothers people. People are saying she doesn't deserve it after only a handful of games. I'd 100% agree - if it was an official statue at the MCG. But it's not. It's a privately commissioned piece of art on display. I could get a statue made of myself, if I wanted to pay for it.


You - and the community would not want that piece of art on display in public (no offense)

So to reiterate ...

What community and when did you start speaking for all of them? (Btw "the community of people who don't like that statue" isn't a proper answer.)
 

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Mcarcherey said:
ok, so just to clarify, you think that 'because no one in the community was consulted about erecting a statue in a very public space which is clearly controlled by entities that serve the best interest of said community' that it's a "stupid reason" for the statue to be taken down?
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Yep.

The People elected a government with this process as a policy and expected it to operate under it. No need for any community consultation its operating within its remit.

The charter is here, I've bolded the relevent bits:


APPENDIX A FEDERATION SQUARE CIVIC AND CULTURAL CHARTER

The Federation Square Civic and Cultural Charter recognises Melbourne’s pre-eminence as a centre for creativity and innovation, its diverse and successful arts and cultural festivals, its multicultural heritage, the popularity and beauty of its gardens and river and the need for a new focal point for contemporary cultural activities.

The Charter requires that these themes and strengths find expression in Federation Square’s management philosophy, marketing, programmed events and activities, and hiring and sub-leasing activities, including the presentation and market positioning of its commercial spaces

Objectives

The underlying purpose of Federation Square as determined by the Government of Victoria and the City of Melbourne is to achieve specific cultural and civic objectives for Victoria:
• to provide a stimulating, educational, comfortable and entertaining destination venue to Victorians, and to interstate and international visitors.
• to represent Melbourne as a leading city for the arts and for innovation and creativity in all forms of cultural expression.
• to communicate the City’s leadership in contemporary ideas and expression
• to provide a focal point for arts and cultural festivals and activities and important civic commemorations.
• to reflect Melbourne’s cultural diversity in its overall operations and programming.
• to attract local, national and international visitors to Federation Square.

Key Outcomes

The excitement generated by the concept must be reflected in its implementation and routine operations. The following critical outcomes of the development and operation of Federation Square will ensure that its objectives are achieved:
• a continuous and high calibre mix of cultural programming and civic activity that is recognised as contemporary and stimulating.
• a high level of use by local, national and international organisations, events and activities.
• an identifiable synergy between the cultural program and other leisure, personal and commercial services.
• high levels of use of all spaces for activity consistent with and complementary to the stated objectives.
• high levels of new and return visitation.
• a positive local profile for Federation Square as a focal point for the City’s civic and festival program.
• a positive national and international profile for Federation Square and its program.
• a focus for Federation Square for the Centenary of Federation celebrations.
• an accessible secure and attractive public experience.

Implementation Requirements
To achieve the defined objectives and outcomes of Federation Square, the management company will:
♦ develop and oversee a year-round program of activities embracing visual, performing, multimedia, event, literary, festival, botanical, multicultural and other themes.
♦ promote the use of Federation Square venues, and procure events and activities with appropriate local, national and international organisations and individuals.
♦ develop working partnerships with key festival companies to provide venues at Federation Square as part of each festival's overall program, including the Melbourne International Festival of the Arts, Melbourne Comedy Festival, Melbourne International Film Festival, Melbourne Moomba Festival, the Next Wave Festival and the Melbourne International Biennial.
♦ develop programmed activities at Federation Square in conjunction with event organisers that reflect or enhance important wider community events, including indigenous, multicultural or community-specific national days or celebrations (eg. Chinese New Year, Australia Day, Anzac Day, major sporting events, Melbourne Writers Festival and Melbourne Fashion Festival).
♦ produce and promote, with the assistance of the Government of Victoria and the City of Melbourne, in conjunction with the Melbourne Festival, the celebration of the Centenary of Federation in 2001.
♦ implement a marketing program that takes account of key market segments and which is measurable in terms of visitation impact.
♦ develop close working partnerships with marketing and tourism bodies, multicultural and community organisations to achieve the cultural and civic objectives of the site.
♦ work with public bodies to ensure appropriate access and security is provided at Federation Square.
♦ maintain up-to-date and leading edge operating technology for all aspects of the site’s activity, uses and presentation.

Operating Principles
All components of Federation Square are to be operated and managed in accordance with this Charter and for the purposes outlined below.

Civic Square
In accordance with the original concept of a new civic centre for Melbourne, Federation Square will boast a three hectare plus open civic plaza as the public focus and meeting place for Melbourne linking the city, the Yarra River and the adjoining Riverside Park. Use of the Civic Square will be subject to the following:
• A standard hiring agreement will be formulated and implemented by the management company.
• Sections of the Square may be hired at market rates to organisations for commercial purposes, where these are consistent with the Civic and Cultural Charter.
• The Civic Square is to be made available at nil hire cost for appropriate public events organised by non-commercial arts and festival organisations and relevant public sector agencies. Such groups can be required to pay direct event staging costs, including set-up and dismantling, after-event cleaning, security, insurance, power and the management company’s handling expenses. Subject to reasonable notice being given, such groups are to be given priority in the use of the Square over commercial hiring.
• The management company will enforce rules and codes of public behaviour, and ensure an adequate level of supervision in the Square’s use by the public.
Other Public Areas
Federation Square’s unique urban setting provides a number of enclosed, semi-enclosed and open spaces with a focus on public involvement and interest. These spaces will include a spectacular large atrium, outdoor “garden” areas and courtyards, commercial outlets, an enclosed amphitheatre, tour bus booking service and a visitor services hub.
Contemporary interpretations of botanical themes will be reflected in its design, activity programming and commercial operations.
Hiring and leasing terms and conditions will be determined by the management company.

Museum of Australian Art
With the relocation of the National Gallery of Victoria’s entire Australian collection from St Kilda Road to Federation Square, a new museum housing the most comprehensive display of Australian art in the country will be created. The collection will provide a unique experience of contemporary art in the context of the rich history and achievements of Australian indigenous and non-indigenous artists. The Museum will be managed and programmed by the NGV.
The management company will work with the NGV to ensure coordinated programming between the Museum of Australian Art and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.

Cinemedia Centre
The Cinemedia Centre will be the nation’s home for the moving image in all forms. Cinemedia, the new institution formed by the merging of the State Film Centre of Victoria and Film Victoria, will manage and programme the Centre to enhance Federation Square as a site for the celebration of screen culture, embracing film, video and multimedia activities.
Cinemedia will be responsible for the Centre, excluding television and radio facilities, which will accommodate the multicultural national broadcaster SBS. Cinemedia may sub-lease to state and national film or other organisations with the prior approval of the management company. SBS will separately lease its floorspace from the management company.
The management company will work with Cinemedia and SBS to ensure coordinated programming between Cinemedia, SBS and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.

Retail
Retail outlets will be incorporated within the development on the basis of a relationship/theme with the major users, and upon a level of contribution to the cultural and civic objectives of Federation Square. Food and beverage operations will form part of the retail “offer”, and will similarly be required to embrace and enhance the stated cultural and civic objectives.
The management company, in the context of the market niche being targeted will determine leasing terms and conditions. The retail operations will be managed and maintained by the management company, who is also responsible for ensuring coordinated programming exists between retailers and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.

Russell Street Extension
The Russell Street extension will provide vehicle access to Federation Square, pedestrian movement around and to the Square, and to the riverside park. It will provide loading, unloading and short term parking facilities for approved tour bus operators. The following operating principles apply:
♦ the management company may charge fees for bus parking
♦ the management company will enforce rules and codes of public behaviour.

Other Commercial Operations
Portions of the development may be sold, leased, assigned or licensed to commercial operators, for example, rights to develop a tavern and/or other retail and food and beverage/hospitality opportunities.
In any such sale/lease/assignment/license, the management company will ensure that operators comply with the site rules and regulations contained within the Federation Square Precinct Management Agreement. The management company will work with each operator to ensure coordinated programming between each operator and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.
 
I didn't expect red diamonds.
 
Hojuman said:
Sorry Gaso but hasn't the " statue " of limitations on these types of threads been passed ?
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Is that you Arthur Cloke? :)
 
ferball said:
Yep.

The People elected a government with this process as a policy and expected it to operate under it. No need for any community consultation its operating within its remit.

The charter is here, I've bolded the relevent bits:


APPENDIX A FEDERATION SQUARE CIVIC AND CULTURAL CHARTER

The Federation Square Civic and Cultural Charter recognises Melbourne’s pre-eminence as a centre for creativity and innovation, its diverse and successful arts and cultural festivals, its multicultural heritage, the popularity and beauty of its gardens and river and the need for a new focal point for contemporary cultural activities.

The Charter requires that these themes and strengths find expression in Federation Square’s management philosophy, marketing, programmed events and activities, and hiring and sub-leasing activities, including the presentation and market positioning of its commercial spaces

Objectives

The underlying purpose of Federation Square as determined by the Government of Victoria and the City of Melbourne is to achieve specific cultural and civic objectives for Victoria:
• to provide a stimulating, educational, comfortable and entertaining destination venue to Victorians, and to interstate and international visitors.
• to represent Melbourne as a leading city for the arts and for innovation and creativity in all forms of cultural expression.
• to communicate the City’s leadership in contemporary ideas and expression
• to provide a focal point for arts and cultural festivals and activities and important civic commemorations.
• to reflect Melbourne’s cultural diversity in its overall operations and programming.
• to attract local, national and international visitors to Federation Square.

Key Outcomes

The excitement generated by the concept must be reflected in its implementation and routine operations. The following critical outcomes of the development and operation of Federation Square will ensure that its objectives are achieved:
• a continuous and high calibre mix of cultural programming and civic activity that is recognised as contemporary and stimulating.
• a high level of use by local, national and international organisations, events and activities.
• an identifiable synergy between the cultural program and other leisure, personal and commercial services.
• high levels of use of all spaces for activity consistent with and complementary to the stated objectives.
• high levels of new and return visitation.
• a positive local profile for Federation Square as a focal point for the City’s civic and festival program.
• a positive national and international profile for Federation Square and its program.
• a focus for Federation Square for the Centenary of Federation celebrations.
• an accessible secure and attractive public experience.

Implementation Requirements
To achieve the defined objectives and outcomes of Federation Square, the management company will:
♦ develop and oversee a year-round program of activities embracing visual, performing, multimedia, event, literary, festival, botanical, multicultural and other themes.
♦ promote the use of Federation Square venues, and procure events and activities with appropriate local, national and international organisations and individuals.
♦ develop working partnerships with key festival companies to provide venues at Federation Square as part of each festival's overall program, including the Melbourne International Festival of the Arts, Melbourne Comedy Festival, Melbourne International Film Festival, Melbourne Moomba Festival, the Next Wave Festival and the Melbourne International Biennial.
♦ develop programmed activities at Federation Square in conjunction with event organisers that reflect or enhance important wider community events, including indigenous, multicultural or community-specific national days or celebrations (eg. Chinese New Year, Australia Day, Anzac Day, major sporting events, Melbourne Writers Festival and Melbourne Fashion Festival).
♦ produce and promote, with the assistance of the Government of Victoria and the City of Melbourne, in conjunction with the Melbourne Festival, the celebration of the Centenary of Federation in 2001.
♦ implement a marketing program that takes account of key market segments and which is measurable in terms of visitation impact.
♦ develop close working partnerships with marketing and tourism bodies, multicultural and community organisations to achieve the cultural and civic objectives of the site.
♦ work with public bodies to ensure appropriate access and security is provided at Federation Square.
♦ maintain up-to-date and leading edge operating technology for all aspects of the site’s activity, uses and presentation.

Operating Principles
All components of Federation Square are to be operated and managed in accordance with this Charter and for the purposes outlined below.

Civic Square
In accordance with the original concept of a new civic centre for Melbourne, Federation Square will boast a three hectare plus open civic plaza as the public focus and meeting place for Melbourne linking the city, the Yarra River and the adjoining Riverside Park. Use of the Civic Square will be subject to the following:
• A standard hiring agreement will be formulated and implemented by the management company.
• Sections of the Square may be hired at market rates to organisations for commercial purposes, where these are consistent with the Civic and Cultural Charter.
• The Civic Square is to be made available at nil hire cost for appropriate public events organised by non-commercial arts and festival organisations and relevant public sector agencies. Such groups can be required to pay direct event staging costs, including set-up and dismantling, after-event cleaning, security, insurance, power and the management company’s handling expenses. Subject to reasonable notice being given, such groups are to be given priority in the use of the Square over commercial hiring.
• The management company will enforce rules and codes of public behaviour, and ensure an adequate level of supervision in the Square’s use by the public.
Other Public Areas
Federation Square’s unique urban setting provides a number of enclosed, semi-enclosed and open spaces with a focus on public involvement and interest. These spaces will include a spectacular large atrium, outdoor “garden” areas and courtyards, commercial outlets, an enclosed amphitheatre, tour bus booking service and a visitor services hub.
Contemporary interpretations of botanical themes will be reflected in its design, activity programming and commercial operations.
Hiring and leasing terms and conditions will be determined by the management company.

Museum of Australian Art
With the relocation of the National Gallery of Victoria’s entire Australian collection from St Kilda Road to Federation Square, a new museum housing the most comprehensive display of Australian art in the country will be created. The collection will provide a unique experience of contemporary art in the context of the rich history and achievements of Australian indigenous and non-indigenous artists. The Museum will be managed and programmed by the NGV.
The management company will work with the NGV to ensure coordinated programming between the Museum of Australian Art and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.

Cinemedia Centre
The Cinemedia Centre will be the nation’s home for the moving image in all forms. Cinemedia, the new institution formed by the merging of the State Film Centre of Victoria and Film Victoria, will manage and programme the Centre to enhance Federation Square as a site for the celebration of screen culture, embracing film, video and multimedia activities.
Cinemedia will be responsible for the Centre, excluding television and radio facilities, which will accommodate the multicultural national broadcaster SBS. Cinemedia may sub-lease to state and national film or other organisations with the prior approval of the management company. SBS will separately lease its floorspace from the management company.
The management company will work with Cinemedia and SBS to ensure coordinated programming between Cinemedia, SBS and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.

Retail
Retail outlets will be incorporated within the development on the basis of a relationship/theme with the major users, and upon a level of contribution to the cultural and civic objectives of Federation Square. Food and beverage operations will form part of the retail “offer”, and will similarly be required to embrace and enhance the stated cultural and civic objectives.
The management company, in the context of the market niche being targeted will determine leasing terms and conditions. The retail operations will be managed and maintained by the management company, who is also responsible for ensuring coordinated programming exists between retailers and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.

Russell Street Extension
The Russell Street extension will provide vehicle access to Federation Square, pedestrian movement around and to the Square, and to the riverside park. It will provide loading, unloading and short term parking facilities for approved tour bus operators. The following operating principles apply:
♦ the management company may charge fees for bus parking
♦ the management company will enforce rules and codes of public behaviour.

Other Commercial Operations
Portions of the development may be sold, leased, assigned or licensed to commercial operators, for example, rights to develop a tavern and/or other retail and food and beverage/hospitality opportunities.
In any such sale/lease/assignment/license, the management company will ensure that operators comply with the site rules and regulations contained within the Federation Square Precinct Management Agreement. The management company will work with each operator to ensure coordinated programming between each operator and other venues in Federation Square for key festivals and cultural events.
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and it's very clear there are significant number of ppl who believe these objectives aren't being adhered to.

the heart of this is the fact that many of the objectives listed there are very obviously subjective, one could easily draw up a list of whether the statue is educational and stimulating, culturally diverse etc. etc.

it's here i bid you adieu, now only opinions will be brought into it and i'd rather teach bruce jenner how to use a tampon than go through an argument of opinion with ferball.
 
The acurate one said:
As far as I got mate- sorry
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:D

No worries. The rest of it was for the bloke who lost the argument.

I tell you who does deserve a statue. The bloke who helped me fix (ie fixed for me) the pump this morning.
 
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