The Superclasico Overkill thread

[Jolldo87]

He called it because it is pretty obvious. Mourinhos tactics require his players to go in hard and be rough in the tackle, when you play a team that has 70% possession, those fouls will add up.

Name one red card that Mourinho has picked up against Barca that wasn't a red card (apart from the Motta one).

Also, get your head out of your ass. If you think only Barca were diving and cheating you are clearly blind. DiMaria, Marcelo, Ronaldo (all two times he touched the ball), and Pepe were diving around and Lass had about 10 fouls to his name.

Barca's diving and surrounding the ref was 10 times worse than anything Madrid did.

So what if Lass had 10 fouls? None were malicious and he wasn't abusing the ref like Barca were for giving them.

 

[BarcaRulz]

Barca's diving and surrounding the ref was 10 times worse than anything Madrid did.

So what if Lass had 10 fouls? None were malicious and he wasn't abusing the ref like Barca were for giving them.

Repeated fouling is a yellow card.

And worse is in your opinion. To me malicious tackles done on purpose (Pepe, Adebayor, Marcelo) is much worse than flopping around (which incidentally they also did).

This morning was a disgrace for both teams, but it was ALWAYS going to happen considering the press conferences from yesterday.

Also, people need to get past the obvious and start talking about WHY a $400m team is playing with everyone behind the ball AT HOME in a CL semi-final. IMO the moment that best summed up the whole game happened 15 minutes into it, when Ronaldo, sick of chasing the ball lashed out at his teammates to get closer and pressure the ball, but not a single one went past the half way line.

 

[Glash]

This morning's match was ridiculous. Barca shouldn't have to cheat like they did.
If you compare it to the night before, that's how "our beautiful game" should be played.
In all fairness i wanted Barca to win, but that was ridic! I hope Real win 3-0 on the next leg, as i want to see an actual game of football in the final....with real people.

 

[Godzke]

Funny how no one mentions Arbeloa's needless bodycheck, Ramos' persistent bodychecking on Messi (booked tonight thank ****), Marcelo's stomp on Pedro in the box, Alonso's persistent nipping of the heals, etc.



Like BR said, if you spend $400m on a team to put in that sort of a display then you can **** off.

 

[Jolldo87]

So they should've tried playing Barca at their own game again and lost 5-0? Mourinho wasn't going to make that mistake twice and the game plan they used today worked twice already.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Funny how no one mentions Arbeloa's needless bodycheck, Ramos' persistent bodychecking on Messi (booked tonight thank ****), Marcelo's stomp on Pedro in the box, Alonso's persistent nipping of the heals, etc.



Like BR said, if you spend $400m on a team to put in that sort of a display then you can **** off.

Hey i agree some of the challenges were just reckless and dumb by Madrid but i just didnt like how the Barca players went about it

Im also suprised no one mentioned Messi elbowing Ramos after he clipped him and got a yellow. Was very unlike Messi.

 

[Godzke]

So they should've tried playing Barca at their own game again and lost 5-0? Mourinho wasn't going to make that mistake twice and the game plan they used today worked twice already.

I refer you to the Copa Final where they played attacking football and won.

Hey i agree some of the challenges were just reckless and dumb by Madrid but i just didnt like how the Barca players went about it

Im also suprised no one mentioned Messi elbowing Ramos after he clipped him and got a yellow. Was very unlike Messi.

Was a harmless elbow. If you had someone body check you, give you a shove while you're on the ground you think you'd give something back wouldn't you?

Was an elbow to his leg from what I saw.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

I refer you to the Copa Final where they played attacking football and won.

Was a harmless elbow. If you had someone body check you, give you a shove while you're on the ground you think you'd give something back wouldn't you?

Was an elbow to his leg from what I saw.

a elbow to someones knee is hardly harmless but i was more shocked to see him resort to something like that as i havent seen him lose his temper like that but i guess Ramos is the kind of player that could do that to you.

 

[Coledinho]

So when Real Madrid make a strong tackle, its thuggish and unwarranted. When Barca push the ref, throw elbows around like confetti and roll around like tumbleweed its self defense?

Have you noticed how no one is on your side. Liverpool fans even are against you and the reason is because you play against the spirit of the game. You play uninspired possession hogging football. How do you get the ball, make a tackle normally, however if your Barcelona you just shield the ball, take the hit, roll around like a ballerina and physically and verbally abuse the ref until you get the referee to break down the defensive wall for you

Thats not beautiful football, that is just beautiful netball. Maybe its time for a code switch. Id go as far to say that without Messi your not even a Champs League quality team. You would never have the guts to score a goal without him. One man team and brand atm. Determine Messi value and you have Barcas, without him your going nowhere

 

[Godzke]

Have you noticed how no one is on your side.

Yep. It's called Tall Poppy Syndrome. See plenty of it on here. Chelsea and Liverpool fans egging on Arsenal because they can't stand the sight of another United title. When one team is too good, the rest band together through jealousy. Ditto Barca and the Champions League.

rinse and repeat

 

[Kompany]

Hard, but fair.

1. Drogba for something ridiculous
2. Del Horno, slightly high, awkward tackle but nothing more. Hard yellow.
3. Lucio last season - actually, I think it was one of their other players?
and what has there been 2 while he's been at Madrid?

I don't remember what Drogba did and I'm happy to accept it may have been very disputable, but seriously - and this is where you show you have absolutely no fair look on things -, Del Horno should've been sent off twice already after horrendous tackles on Messi before he received red.

Hard but fair? Give me a break
Mourinho tells his players to go out and play as hard as they can without crossing the limit. You're right about the hard bit, not about the fair bit.

If Jose doesn't want one of his players to be sent off, well then he could've told Del Horno not to try break Messi's leg, he could've told Albiol not to pull down Villa when he was in front of Casillas, and he could've told Pepe not to go in with stretched leg and studs up while turning away his head towards Alves' leg. Poor Jose, coz those red cards could've so easily been avoided, and poor us, coz we definitely could've done without his moronic whingeing again.

Would like Kompany to try deny that Biscuits isn't the biggest diver in the world.

All I've ever defended was his ability and value to both Barcelona and Spain, which is ridiculously obvious for people not like you.

Quote me saying he's not a diver. Good luck finding something

Messi was the only good thing about the game.

Also liked Marcelo being passed by Afellay and Puyol in the corner throwing away the corner flag to save 3 seconds, and Sergi Roberto coming on

Real/Barca games are like the Williams sisters meeting in a Grand Slam final. Lots of media and commentators fapping about how great it is going to be, then an almost non-existent contest most of the time.

Probably our fault coz we try to kill the game from the first minute.

What was your favourite bit of patented FC Cantbeatelevenmen cheating and simulation?

Pedro's dramatic face grabbing? Dani Alves every move? Winker's face grabbing?

We all know and love way Biscuits humiliates himself by his effeminate carry on and of course Alves is a cheating cur but for me Pedro gave them a run for their money.

Jose lost, did he?

"And if he wins it this year, he will win after the scandal at the Bernabeu. Let's hope he gets the chance to win a clean Champions League (in future), without scandals.

"Guardiola deserves to win a Champions League normally. That's what I wish because he is a very good coach who I respect as a person for his fantastic treatment in four years with him.

"I respect him a lot as a coach and as a person, I hope that one day he will win a clean Champions League, with no incidents behind it."

Have truer words ever been ****ing spoken?

Yes. Loads and loads of times.

Jose lost. Was outwitted by dumb Pep. No wonder he's hiding behind Pepe's red - everything else points in Mou's direction.

What a disgrace of a game. Barca are the most unsportsmanlike like team in the world, absolute disgrace the amount of times they surrounded the ref begging for a card. U are a good enough team to win the cup without that shit.

No consistent hard play and fouling on and over the edge of what is allowed to try make us stop from passing the ball around -> no ref letting players get away with fouling -> no diving and surrounding ref -> no bookings -> better football. I'm all up for that - every Barcelona fan is

You Barca supporters that think Real Madrid are as bad as you or weren't unlucky are just delusional. Diving, cheating *****.

AC called it before the game, red card against Mourinho is just the norm.

Com'on, the only times Real came near goal in the first half (apart from Ronaldo's shot from outside the area) were after the likes of Marcelo and di Maria dived to ground on the left, knowing a free kick from there would've been dangerous - had Ronaldo not kicked the ball straight into the 2-man wall every time.

Real not as bad as us, give me a break

Clearly Mourinho's tactical instructions how to play against us. We just don't endlessly whinge about it.

Red card against Mourinho the norm? Explain me how Albiol and Pepe were wrong decisions then.

So what if Lass had 10 fouls? None were malicious and he wasn't abusing the ref like Barca were for giving them.

Oh right, so players surrounding the ref or going to ground (even after a foul has been committed on them) is a problem, while a player committing 10 fouls in 90 minutes is ok?

2 seasons ago Chelsea did nothing but foul our players at the Nou Camp. Yes, they weren't really malicious fouls but they were fouls and every one of them stopped our attacking play and took all life out of the game. It's completely beyond me how you find that acceptable but then complain about us trying to fight back with the weapons we have.

You know that if teams like Real wouldn't play on and over the edge of what is allowed, we'd be a good chance of playing them off the park.

Funny how no one mentions Arbeloa's needless bodycheck, Ramos' persistent bodychecking on Messi (booked tonight thank ****), Marcelo's stomp on Pedro in the box, Alonso's persistent nipping of the heals, etc.

Maybe because those fouls are not "malicious" and they're "part of the game"?

 

[Coledinho]

Im not talking about just here, i mean worldwide. Face it, outside the SBS everyone was and is cheering on Real. You are making Mourinho seem humble and likeable, Doesnt that tell you something

 

[Coledinho]

Your attacking play is solely based on receiving those fouls, without them Barca would just recreate the Simpsons interpretation of football

"Busquets passes to Xavi, Xavi holds it, holds it, HOLDS IT!!!!"

IMO you give me Messi and 10 of the best A-League players and I could win La Liga atm. Its a masterful stratefy you have. In its current form its nearly unbeatable. Maybe its time for football in general to harden up

Two weeks ago this tackle was made in the EPL, That guys career is over. Not even a foul was given never mind a red card. Thats because in the EPL we are West Ham and not Barcelona. Decide challenges on merit not the color of there t-shirt. All in all a worlwide review of refereeing is long needed and overdue since the Serie A scandal many years ago. Unless something is done they are going to lose more and more respect as a brand

 

[Homeless]

In all fairness i wanted Barca to win, but that was ridic! I hope Real win 3-0 on the next leg, as i want to see an actual game of football in the final....with real people.

Bahahahahaha, I doubt Mourinho knows what an actual game of football is. All he knows is park the bus, and I'd hardly call that football.

 

[Kompany]

Your attacking play is solely based on receiving those fouls, without them Barca would just recreate the Simpsons interpretation of football

Oh why on earth would we want to win free kicks? The majority of our players are short people who could only head a ball if the cross came in at their direct opponent's knee height.

Let us play the ball around and sooner or later we'll always find a way through, often because the other team can't physically defend for a whole game.

We've got no real free kick specialists, we're not good from set pieces... fouling us at the right time and in the right areas is exactly what teams want to do.

 

[apollo_creed]

yeah mate. your club plays like they do and you're proud. says alot about you unfortunately.

I'd be disgraced if I ever saw Villa pulling that kind of shit.

 

[Borgsta]

Two weeks ago this tackle was made in the EPL, That guys career is over. Not even a foul was given never mind a red card. Thats because in the EPL we are West Ham and not Barcelona.

No its because the ref is an idiot.

 

[Coledinho]

Oh why on earth would we want to win free kicks? The majority of our players are short people who could only head a ball if the cross came in at their direct opponent's knee height.

Let us play the ball around and sooner or later we'll always find a way through, often because the other team can't physicallt defend for a whole game.

We've got no real free kick specialists, we're not good from set pieces... fouling us at the right time and in the right areas is exactly what teams want to do.

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You want to win freekicks in order to wear down the defense. You get cards for overfouling to the point where the opposition have to constantly reorganise there defense to avoid send offs. Im this comes defensive confusion and a opportunity for Messi to find some space and work his magic.

All in all thats irrelevent (nice side effect) as its a defensive ploy. Puyol aside the rest of your defenders are well rubbish at defending. If you have possession they cant attack and ultimately you can keep a clean sheet andrely solely on Messi to create for the team. Essentialli IMO nowadays your formation is more a 8-1-1

 

[Coledinho]

No its because the ref is an idiot.

The last 3 tackles that have caused a West Ham player a broken ankle or leg have gone unpunished. Coincidence I think not.

Not to mention the fact West Ham have received 0 dollars for the ending of Dean Ashtons career at a England training camp. Smell the roses. We are cashcows for the big four. Nothing more nothing less

 

[Kompany]

You win, Embers, can't compete with that

 

[apollo_creed]

and don't write madrid off guys. mourinho is a winner. he's a general in football terms and if anyone's capable of motivating his players to achieve the impossible then it's him.

3-1? you never know.

Barcelona don't cope easily against XI Madrid players so should that remain the case for 90, all that's required is Madrid's attack to click and expose the slowness and sometimes clumsiness of puyol or continually penetrate barca down both flanks.
there's hope boys.

 

[Borgsta]

Does that mean Real will actually try and attack next time?

 

[BarcaRulz]

Your attacking play is solely based on receiving those fouls, without them Barca would just recreate the Simpsons interpretation of football

"Busquets passes to Xavi, Xavi holds it, holds it, HOLDS IT!!!!"

IMO you give me Messi and 10 of the best A-League players and I could win La Liga atm. Its a masterful stratefy you have. In its current form its nearly unbeatable. Maybe its time for football in general to harden up

Two weeks ago this tackle was made in the EPL, That guys career is over. Not even a foul was given never mind a red card. Thats because in the EPL we are West Ham and not Barcelona. Decide challenges on merit not the color of there t-shirt. All in all a worlwide review of refereeing is long needed and overdue since the Serie A scandal many years ago. Unless something is done they are going to lose more and more respect as a brand

Wow.. Worst post ever!

1. We HATE free kicks. We DONT want them. They slow us down, allows opposition players to get back in position, and we have no one dangerous from them. Why the **** would we depend on them?

2. We don't pass and HOLD IT as you seem to think. We move the ball around to find the space. Since Real parked the world most expensive bus, it was nearly impossible to find that space, and we just had to pass around and wait for something to happen. If we were playing a real team then the play would have flowed much better.


3. If that was true, then why are Madrid, probably the most expensive squad in the world, not able to win it? Is Messi really THAT good? Or are you maybe being an idiot?

4. Finally, just because no foul was called on that tackle in the EPL, doesn't mean it is the right decision. I don't understand what your point is anyway. Are you saying that this referee was right, and that football should be played like that? Because you apparently thought yourself that the tackle was bad enough for Reo Coker to get sued for. Surely if something on the football field is bad enough to warrant getting sued over, it is bad enough to be called a foul/card? Hypocrite much?

 

[Coledinho]

You cant compete with Messi. All in all he will retire the best player who ever lived if there is justice. Carrying a team single handidly like that must be tough work

 

[BarcaRulz]

and don't write madrid off guys. mourinho is a winner. he's a general in football terms and if anyone's capable of motivating his players to achieve the impossible then it's him.

3-1? you never know.

Barcelona don't cope easily against XI Madrid players so should that remain the case for 90, all that's required is Madrid's attack to click and expose the slowness and sometimes clumsiness of puyol or continually penetrate barca down both flanks.
there's hope boys.

Did you forget what happened when it was XI vs. XI and Real tried to attack?