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Who do you expect to be at Essendon in 2017?


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DapperDon

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Again you just do not get it do you ? It is simple, he gets the players what they want which makes him one of the best player managers. He has no obligation to the club or its supporters. You do not have to like it but that is his job. He speaks to the clubs and works with what is on offer. If Hurley goes it will be for a better offer. Conners will have no part in other clubs and their offers, he just has to find the best for his player and put it on the table.
Yep.

It's up to Essendon to be a players club of choice rather than players leaving. I'm sure if Connors other clients came to Essendon we wouldn't shout him down.

I still think he's a slimy unethical prick, he's just good at it.
 

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Yeah and Paul wouldn't be in their ear at all telling them to take the bigger contract from another club to increase his own commission.

Or be telling them that they can hold their old club to ransom, its fine footys a business, **** loyalty.

Nope.

He'd sit back all innocent like letting them make their own decisions free from influence like all managers.
And the clubs do not put in low offers for players or trade them out at the drop of a hat when it suites them. :rolleyes:
Lets face it we where falling over ourselves to trade out Hooker for Caddy despite the player not wanting a trade. It goes both ways.
Supporters are always going to hate managers because of the job they have to do and collecting the biggest commission simply says he is doing his job as he has the biggest offer on the table. It is the real world and it is a business.
 

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Yep.

It's up to Essendon to be a players club of choice rather than players leaving. I'm sure if Connors other clients came to Essendon we wouldn't shout him down.

I still think he's a slimy unethical prick, he's just good at it.
In this case then the whole AFL falls under the same name. I doubt Conners made any phone calls to clubs to get offers for Hurley.
 

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And the clubs do not put in low offers for players or trade them out at the drop of a hat when it suites them. :rolleyes:
Lets face it we where falling over ourselves to trade out Hooker for Caddy despite the player not wanting a trade. It goes both ways.
Supporters are always going to hate managers because of the job they have to do and collecting the biggest commission simply says he is doing his job as he has the biggest offer on the table. It is the real world and it is a business.
Cool.

Thanks for stating the obvious that it's not just managers.

Adds to my point that we can get annoyed at more then just one party and noone, including managers, is immune from criticism I guess.
 
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Cool.

Thanks for stating the obvious that it's not just managers.

Adds to my point that we can get annoyed at more then just one party and noone, including managers, is immune from criticism I guess.
As you said no one including supporters who are loyal to the blokes who they think are good but are prepared to call others from the club they support spuds or shit trucks and carry on like the world is ending when a good player leaves but could not give a toss if others are delisted and have their career ended or it is another club the good player has left.
Managers do what they do, problem is supporters are emotionally attached to some players and get way too defensive or personal when one of them even hints at leaving. To say Conners is just in it for the money and he is telling blokes to leave a club just so he can make another $20k is total rubbish. Players move on from the blokes who are just in it for the money pretty quickly.
So far what has Conner done to Essendon ?
Ryder had a choice, Essendon or stay with the wife and kids but move interstate because he could not keep it in his pants , Crameri had an easy choice, more money over more years that he could not turn down and i know there where a few issues internally with a few players as well. Then we have Melksham who no one had any issues with showing him the door and moving him on.
So why is it Conners is a money hungry grub ?
 

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As you said no one including supporters who are loyal to the blokes who they think are good but are prepared to call others from the club they support spuds or shit trucks and carry on like the world is ending when a good player leaves but could not give a toss if others are delisted and have their career ended or it is another club the good player has left.
Managers do what they do, problem is supporters are emotionally attached to some players and get way too defensive or personal when one of them even hints at leaving. To say Conners is just in it for the money and he is telling blokes to leave a club just so he can make another $20k is total rubbish. Players move on from the blokes who are just in it for the money pretty quickly.
So far what has Conner done to Essendon ?
Ryder had a choice, Essendon or stay with the wife and kids but move interstate because he could not keep it in his pants , Crameri had an easy choice, more money over more years that he could not turn down and i know there where a few issues internally with a few players as well. Then we have Melksham who no one had any issues with showing him the door and moving him on.
So why is it Conners is a money hungry grub ?
Perhaps a few of us associate the whole Paddy saga to Mr Conners. It was messy as ****. It's easy to attach blame to a player agent due to the fact that we view them allto be of questionable character.
 

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As you said no one including supporters who are loyal to the blokes who they think are good but are prepared to call others from the club they support spuds or shit trucks and carry on like the world is ending when a good player leaves but could not give a toss if others are delisted and have their career ended or it is another club the good player has left.
Managers do what they do, problem is supporters are emotionally attached to some players and get way too defensive or personal when one of them even hints at leaving. To say Conners is just in it for the money and he is telling blokes to leave a club just so he can make another $20k is total rubbish. Players move on from the blokes who are just in it for the money pretty quickly.
So far what has Conner done to Essendon ?
Ryder had a choice, Essendon or stay with the wife and kids but move interstate because he could not keep it in his pants , Crameri had an easy choice, more money over more years that he could not turn down and i know there where a few issues internally with a few players as well. Then we have Melksham who no one had any issues with showing him the door and moving him on.
So why is it Conners is a money hungry grub ?
I'll be honest I got bored trying to read that massive slab so not really sure of what point you're trying to raise here?

I don't particularly give a **** about Conners one way or the other, I fully understand he has a job to do. However Kakkle, the post I quoted, was suggesting people couldn't be upset with him because its the players choice to leave. I was simply adding that people could be upset if they so wish because I have no doubt he is in the ear of the players and does have some influence.

Is it huge influence? I dunno, I'd be hoping not.

But yeah good chat Ant, still not sure what you're hoping to achieve here by seemingly ranting at me over a point I never tried to argue? Though as I said I get bored by slabs of text quickly so maybe I've just missed your point. :)
 

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Hibberd would do well to remember who gave him his start at AFL level & managed the various off field misdemeanours down on the peninsula,before he runs to a shambolic club like Melbourne.
 
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I don't think we're in a position to call other clubs shambolic, at least not for a long while.
It's pot, kettle, black I know, but shit, are Melbourne & the culture that's been embedded there the past 5-10 years really make them that much of an upgrade??

I just hope the players look at the now & how Woosha & co have begun healing our club with good energy, let alone transforming the team into a potential contender for 2017-2020.
 
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I wonder if the 12 months off football has given these players a better sense of the world and wonder how it will affect their footy.

A large chunk of players go from juniors into a job as a professional footballer in a club environment and get little experience of the real world except for an end-of-season few week jaunt.

Our guys have had 12 months to think about life and football and I wonder if some will come back hungry, knowing they have limited time to make hay while the sun shines while others might think there's a bit more to life and have lost the passion required?

I'm not saying it will or won't happen, but I've just been trying to put myself in the players' shoes and how it would affect your take on the world and football.

Whether they stay or not is largely immaterial, we'll get compensated for losses and continue our rebuild without those who get better money elsewhere.

Blaming managers for players changing clubs is ridiculous. 95% of the decision rests with the player. I'd say the wife and family would have more consequence than the manager. Too many fans think the players love the club as much as they do, ignoring that it's a job and if a team down the street is offering a 50% pay rise, you take it, doesn't matter how much you like your current work-mates. You've probably only known them a couple of years. Managers don't convince players to leave, players convince managers they'd consider leaving. It's bloody easy for players to sign a new contract, much harder to leave so if they leave it's because the player wants to, nothing else.
 

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I'll be honest I got bored trying to read that massive slab so not really sure of what point you're trying to raise here?

I don't particularly give a **** about Conners one way or the other, I fully understand he has a job to do. However Kakkle, the post I quoted, was suggesting people couldn't be upset with him because its the players choice to leave. I was simply adding that people could be upset if they so wish because I have no doubt he is in the ear of the players and does have some influence.

Is it huge influence? I dunno, I'd be hoping not.

But yeah good chat Ant, still not sure what you're hoping to achieve here by seemingly ranting at me over a point I never tried to argue? Though as I said I get bored by slabs of text quickly so maybe I've just missed your point. :)
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Hibberd would do well to remember who gave him his start at AFL level & managed the various off field misdemeanours down on the peninsula,before he runs to a shambolic club like Melbourne.
We should work on getting that lifetime ban from Mornington Subway lifted as a contract sweetener, maybe even get him a sponsorship!

 

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Yes, until the end of 2017.
Thanks.
Then there is no issue. he will be at Essendon next year.
I don't see how any grievance tribunal claim can be successful. Because there is no current grievance issues. Everyone is gone, and the place has been fixed up. Especially after a payout.
 

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Thanks.
Then there is no issue. he will be at Essendon next year.
I don't see how any grievance tribunal claim can be successful. Because there is no current grievance issues. Everyone is gone, and the place has been fixed up. Especially after a payout.
If he requests a trade we'll honour his wishes.
 
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