The Swift thread

[galen]

I was the one who reported the Shuey spray at the game. Was right in front of me.

Swifts game was poor.

I do still have faith in him to come good. He has shown glimpses of potential as a younger, in the WAFL and in a couple of AFL games. It happened with Smith and I do believe it will happen for Swift.

Masten is running out of time for mine, he needs to be showing more than glimpses now.

Ebert should be showing less brain fades and poor decision making. Which he has compared to last year.

 

[Eagles_712]

Give this kid a break, he is only 21, that what you get from a young kid that has suffered two knee reconstruction when he was young. It doesn't help his development needing two years to recover from a knee injury instead of playing u18 state and colt and wafl games for his wafl club

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I would rather have Masten play than Swift to be honest, we used the 3rd overall pick to get him, should at least get games

 

[happy_eagle]

Sums up the attitude of this board at times

 

[Ochre]

Would love to know where they pulled the 7 turnovers out from.

 

[lyall]

Was god awful on the weekend, up there with some of the worst games I saw Beau Wilkes play for the club.

Should play WAFL for the rest of the season

 

[Jackaaa]

Missed the game so watched a replay waiting to see the worst game by an eagles player in living memory. Just didnt see it and Im not a Swift fan.. must have all happened in the 3rd when i had the snooze.

 

[paran]

Missed the game so watched a replay waiting to see the worst game by an eagles player in living memory. Just didnt see it and Im not a Swift fan.. must have all happened in the 3rd when i had the snooze.

Yeah, I'd say it was similar to some of Ebert's games last year. A lot of overreaction here.

 

[bodazoka]

I like Swift and watched the game twice, he was actually much worse then I thought the first time. Probably deserves to be dropped this week, especially considering Kerr will be back and possibly Butler.

Hrmz.... he just was not up to it on the weekend which is strange considering his effort at WAFL level.

 

[richy4]

Does anyone know how much size/weight he has actually put on since being drafted?

Was just watching a few vids on him, he was so much quicker and smoother with his running. Actually looks like a completely different player. I reckon the reason he was good in some of those games was because he was playing mainly on ball, with no kerr, shuey and scooter.

wonder if his knee's are affecting him too

 

[Eagle Ant]

You gotta love all the Goodie too shoe's on this board....

A young player plays bad and these are the general Posts.

* God forbid a young player has a bad game.
* Give him time he will come good.
* I watched him in the WAFL and he dominated, When he's confident he will play well.


Its all CRAP.......

Here are the Facts-
* Tom Swift has ability but so did Tony Notte and where is he Now?
* Swift Hasnt adjusted to the speed of AFL and Wont..
* Shuey was taken in the same draft and is 50x better then Swift.
* Its time to cut our losses on players who failed from weaker drafts Like Swift and Masten.
* Swift has been Over taken by younger, stronger, Fitter players.

Is it time to stop being Nice and do what is required to win a premiership and Delist or Trade the weaker links in the Team.......YES it is.

Oh Im not saying that he will never make it, Im just saying he wont make it as an Eagle just like Mitch Morton, Aaron Edwards and Matt Spangher didn't.

 

[Ochre]

Its all CRAP.......

Couldn't have summed your post up any better

 

[sTeeL]

Yep. Regularly delist players who aren't in the best 22 by 21 since we all know pick 79 in a compromised draft is the way to go

Lets take a look at all the players who werent best 22 at 21 yo.
Dean Cox, Mark Le Cras, Darren Glass, Andrew Embley, Will Schofield, Eric Mackenzie, Matt Priddis wasn't even on a senior list. Need I go on?

Surely some of you near-sighted fools can understand that not everyone is an outright superstar? Failing that, SURELY you can see that every team needs depth in a position. Will a pick 80 offer that to us? Hasn't Tom Swift shown that he can at least be a game-breaker?

There is no doubting that he hasn't come on anywhere near what we would like. But to dump him now is short-sighted.

 

[paran]

Besides, Notte got dumped because Swans refused to play him down back (where WCE wanted him to develop) and then Notte refused to transfer to Perth where he would get a chance to play down back. Of course, Swans play him down back now, so much ado about nothing, except poor tony lost his contract. Not sure if they wanted to Rookie him too, would love to see him back in the squad.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I'd always assumed Notte was let go because he was epically lazy.

 

[Mattman93]

I'd always assumed Notte was let go because he was epically lazy.

He was, apparently we weren't happy with some of his efforts to stack muscle on.

We also apparently offered to rookie him but he declined.

 

[placebo]

Yep. Regularly delist players who aren't in the best 22 by 21 since we all know pick 79 in a compromised draft is the way to go

Lets take a look at all the players who werent best 22 at 21 yo.
Dean Cox, Mark Le Cras, Darren Glass, Andrew Embley, Will Schofield, Eric Mackenzie, Matt Priddis wasn't even on a senior list. Need I go on?

Surely some of you near-sighted fools can understand that not everyone is an outright superstar? Failing that, SURELY you can see that every team needs depth in a position. Will a pick 80 offer that to us? Hasn't Tom Swift shown that he can at least be a game-breaker?

There is no doubting that he hasn't come on anywhere near what we would like. But to dump him now is short-sighted.

Agree with all this. The calls to delist are laughable. Then again, I've heard people say we should delist Strijk and Hams at the end of this year too. It seems to some people on this board, if a player is not immediate best 22, they should all be delisted.

 

[BOND 007]

Swifts problem is that he's being played as an outside player (mainly on the wing) and has neither the speed nor footskills to be successful in that position. He is quite prepared to take a tackle and offload & is technically a very good exponent of the handball. To see him at his best he must play inside. He succeeds at WAFL level as he plays in his preferred position & the game is not as intense.

Whilst depth is important the fact that Swift cant get a game in his preferred position even with Kerr out, makes me think that for his own benefit he should look elsewhere as Sheppard & Stevenson are better natural outside footballers.

I also think that WC have mucked around with his kicking action in an effort to improve its efficiency & I reckon its had the opposite effect. His new hunched over kicking style now lacks precision AND penetration whereas before he just lacked precision.

 

[Mattman93]

Swifts problem is that he's being played as an outside player (mainly on the wing) and has neither the speed nor footskills to be successful in that position. He is quite prepared to take a tackle and offload & is technically a very good exponent of the handball. To see him at his best he must play inside. He succeeds at WAFL level as he plays in his preferred position & the game is not as intense.

Whilst depth is important the fact that Swift cant get a game in his preferred position even with Kerr out, makes me think that for his own benefit he should look elsewhere as Sheppard & Stevenson are better natural outside footballers.

I also think that WC have mucked around with his kicking action in an effort to improve its efficiency & I reckon its had the opposite effect. His new hunched over kicking style now lacks precision AND penetration whereas before he just lacked precision.

Do you know what exactly it is that's seen him completely change the way he moves from back in his first year?

Is it the fact he grew a bit, did we try to change his running style, have his knees given him any trouble? A combination?

He seems far slower and to me it looks as if he arches into his his lower back much more and struggles to get any power going forward, whereas before his torso remained very upright and straight and he was able to get a lot of power off the mark through his knees and hips.

 

[Dark Sharks]

He's lost all his confidence unfortunately. He's going to be dropped this week, whether he played horribly (which he did) or not. He isn't a better player then daniel kerr, so all he can do is keep at it in the WAFL and get some confidence with his kicking.

I'm pretty interested in Koby and sheppard. I spose that they are like swift with the lack of confidence thing, which is natural considering they are only young.

But it's such a huge contrast to Darls and Gaff. Even Lycett in his first game. All three of them just look totally confident in there abilities.

Is it because now we are winning games and last year we weren't?

 

[paran]

Swifts problem is that he's being played as an outside player (mainly on the wing) and has neither the speed nor footskills to be successful in that position. He is quite prepared to take a tackle and offload & is technically a very good exponent of the handball. To see him at his best he must play inside. He succeeds at WAFL level as he plays in his preferred position & the game is not as intense.

Whilst depth is important the fact that Swift cant get a game in his preferred position even with Kerr out, makes me think that for his own benefit he should look elsewhere as Sheppard & Stevenson are better natural outside footballers.

I also think that WC have mucked around with his kicking action in an effort to improve its efficiency & I reckon its had the opposite effect. His new hunched over kicking style now lacks precision AND penetration whereas before he just lacked precision.

Could have said the same thing about Ebert last year. The match committee obviously see something that you don't, so as long as he keeps earning his spot, I'm fine with him playing.

 

[BOND 007]

Do you know what exactly it is that's seen him completely change the way he moves from back in his first year?

Is it the fact he grew a bit, did we try to change his running style, have his knees given him any trouble? A combination?

He seems far slower and to me it looks as if he arches into his his lower back much more and struggles to get any power going forward, whereas before his torso remained very upright and straight and he was able to get a lot of power off the mark through his knees and hips.

I am not aware of any injury that has made him volutarily change his style and I agree he looks slower now than when he joined the club.

I can only put it down to him not having a really natural football drop when he was drafted which has resulted in poor disposal. Then he changed the drop (remember he's quite a tall person) and its had some ramifications on how he approaches the kick.

his style is very similar to McGinnity in that they hunch over the ball with fierce determination to make everything right, only too find its so unnatural that it effects the whole process.

 

[Robbo2003]

Shouldn't trade him yet but hard to see him making it at West Coast.

I don't mean to inrude on your board, but honestly who would want him?

It's hard to think of one area of his game which is up to AFL standard.

 

[sTeeL]

I think Port would be the best fit for him. Straight into midfield as a clearance player. This rubbish about playing him outside is pointless when his ability is in the middle.

 

[tesseract]

Masten and Swift are becoming Stakered.