The team of the century

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That's really a club achievement more than a team achievement.

A team, really is a "one year thing"

An era is a "two or more year thing."

Both are worthy of praise.

Brisbane never had a great team. None of their 4 teams finished top or had a percentage more than the mid 130's. But they had a great era, that's for sure.

I actually think brisbane's best team was their 2004 team. They had the best percentage of any of their 4 teams and were the most experienced. They just ran into the best opponent Brisbane faced during the 2001-2-3-4 era. Port were a fantastic team in 2004.

Collingwood were overrated in 2002 and 2003. Essendon were stale in 2001 and were playing their worst football at the end of the year. Port were cherry ripe in 2004, and were able to beat the best team Brisbane has produced - their 2004 team.
The 2004 Lions team was the best... Lynch played that whole 2004 season on one leg... i think he played like 10 games for the year... NFI:thumbsu:

Nigel Lappin recently summed that 01-04 team the best. We didn't have the game plan that would win us every game of the home and away season, but we had the best game plan for finals.

I think he nails it right there. So you can give all the ladder positions and percentages you want. But if the Lions of 01-03 are in the finals against the Essendon team of 99-01. Brisbane's team of 3 Brownlow medalists (and Lappin), 3 500+ career goal kicking power forwards and the backline consisting of the likes of White, Lepptich, Johnson, Scott etc.

Brisbane would be just too good across the park.

The only great teams in this thread to be in the discussion should be Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn.
 

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But if the Lions of 01-03 are in the finals against the Essendon team of 99-01.
Stop right there. There is no "Essendon team of 1999-2001"

How would you choose what ages the players are in this fictional match? The 1999 version of Matthew Lloyd or the 2000 version that kicked 100 goals and was a better player?

The 1999 version of player A or the 2000 version when that player is a year older and better?

Which Jono brown plays in the match? The 19 year old in 2001 or the more mature 2003 version of Jonathan Brown?

Pick a year and compare year to year. You can't make a fictional match containing an era, because the players in the match can only be at ONE AGE when the match takes place.

But if the Lions of 01-03 are in the finals against the Essendon team of 99-01. Brisbane's team of 3 Brownlow medalists (and Lappin), 3 500+ career goal kicking power forwards and the backline consisting of the likes of White, Lepptich, Johnson, Scott etc.

Brisbane would be just too good across the park.
Essendon of 2000 was miles better than any of the three teams Brisbane produced. There was no comparison. The Brisbane team fo 2000 couldn't get within 10 goals of Essendon in the wet on their own home ground.

Essendon was 24-1 with a percentage from 25 games of 163.8%. The three finals were won by a COMBINED margin of 230 points at an average winning margin of 76.66 points per final.

Brisbane had a more succeessful era, sure, but to compare any of the three Brisbane teams to Essendon of 2000 is clearly ridiculous. Brisbane were never "that" good in any season, really.
 

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I'm surprised it took them 17 years to choose the TOTC. Why not just get it over with in 2001. Of course, being a Team Of The (this) Century would mean that a century of football had passed for them to select it, no?
 

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This is the most mind-meltingly f***witted thread of all time.

Not because of the actual thread and most of its content.

But because of the frankly unfathomable ability for half its participants to understand what it's about.

This isn't trying to teach giant squid to perform advanced calculus.

It's assessing SINGLE. SEASON. TEAMS. Against one another
 

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The fallacy in the premise of the article is that we are to rate standalone seasons with all their specific peculiarities against every other and then rate them as if they are like for like.

But they're not.

You can rate Essendon as being the best in 2000. But if you want to spread that mantle out over a number of years (17 or so) then you unfortunately find other teams who are able to spread their achievements out into these inconvenient things called called Three-peats, and multiple premierships.

Carlton were amazing in 95. A colossus. But a one Premiership wonder and not even part of team of the century discussions for a very good reason.

Great teams win for years on end.
The idea of looking at a year in isolation is that you are judging the best team ever assembled. A team that actually took the field, rather than cherry picking players from multiple seasons to create a super side that didn't.
 

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Essendon won 2 in the eight-year era from 1993-2000. Any club that wins one flag in any era is successful, let alone two in 8 years like the Bombers did.
Through massive salary cap rorting. Hardly something to celebrate or a sign of anything other than them being a bunch of recidivist cheats.
 

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Stop right there. There is no "Essendon team of 1999-2001"

How would you choose what ages the players are in this fictional match? The 1999 version of Matthew Lloyd or the 2000 version that kicked 100 goals and was a better player?

The 1999 version of player A or the 2000 version when that player is a year older and better?

Which Jono brown plays in the match? The 19 year old in 2001 or the more mature 2003 version of Jonathan Brown?

Pick a year and compare year to year. You can't make a fictional match containing an era, because the players in the match can only be at ONE AGE when the match takes place.



Essendon of 2000 was miles better than any of the three teams Brisbane produced. There was no comparison. The Brisbane team fo 2000 couldn't get within 10 goals of Essendon in the wet on their own home ground.

Essendon was 24-1 with a percentage from 25 games of 163.8%. The three finals were won by a COMBINED margin of 230 points at an average winning margin of 76.66 points per final.

Brisbane had a more succeessful era, sure, but to compare any of the three Brisbane teams to Essendon of 2000 is clearly ridiculous. Brisbane were never "that" good in any season, really.
With the same team, Brisbane won 3 premierships in a row. Essendon could only achieve what 150 odd teams have done previously... win one premiership.

You don't get bonus premierships from winning by lots of points.

Essendon being in this discussion is just wishful thinking of what might have been by some people.
 

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With the same team, Brisbane won 3 premierships in a row. Essendon could only achieve what 150 odd teams have done previously... win one premiership.

You don't get bonus premierships from winning by lots of points.

Essendon being in this discussion is just wishful thinking of what might have been by some people.
The same team? 150 odd teams have done before? Footy history obviously not your strong suit.
 

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With the same team, Brisbane won 3 premierships in a row. Essendon could only achieve what 150 odd teams have done previously... win one premiership.

You don't get bonus premierships from winning by lots of points.

Essendon being in this discussion is just wishful thinking of what might have been by some people.

TAKE IT TO A THREAD ABOUT WHICH CLUB HAD THE BEST TEAM OVER 3 SEASONS THEN GENIUS
 

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TAKE IT TO A THREAD ABOUT WHICH CLUB HAD THE BEST TEAM OVER 3 SEASONS THEN GENIUS
Isn't the question which is the greatest team of this century..."genius".
The same team? 150 odd teams have done before? Footy history obviously not your strong suit.
Cheers for that, 120 teams:thumbsu:
 

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Isn't the question which is the greatest team of this century..."genius".

Cheers for that, 120 teams:thumbsu:

Greatest team from the start of Rd 1 through to the GF of a single season.

I f***ing give up.

Come and f***in get us North Korea. Australia is spent.
You can mine our country for any resource you want. Just don't expect to find any IQ points down here.
 

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Greatest team from the start of Rd 1 through to the GF of a single season.

I f***ing give up.

Come and f***in get us North Korea. Australia is spent.
You can mine our country for any resource you want. Just don't expect to find any IQ points down here.
You need to relax... perhaps move onto another thread if you don't want to discuss the greatest teams of the century.

Your question is more who had the most dominant premiership winning season... that is different to the greatest team of the century.

Champion teams are judged on premierships. That Brisbane team won 3 in a row, that is a special team. Essendon won...1. There is nothing special about that.
 

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You need to relax... perhaps move onto another thread if you don't want to discuss the greatest teams of the century.

Your question is more who had the most dominant premiership winning season... that is different to the greatest team of the century.

Champion teams are judged on premierships. That Brisbane team won 3 in a row, that is a special team. Essendon won...1. There is nothing special about that.
Essendon has won 16
 

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You need to relax... perhaps move onto another thread if you don't want to discuss the greatest teams of the century.

Your question is more who had the most dominant premiership winning season... that is different to the greatest team of the century.

Champion teams are judged on premierships. That Brisbane team won 3 in a row, that is a special team. Essendon won...1. There is nothing special about that.

'Which of the 17 premiership teams was the best.'

F*** me in the nostril.

It's not that hard.
 

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The answer is the team that won the most premierships. That cancels out all bar Hawks, Brisbane and Geelong.

That's a club, not a team.
So the 2002 team won more premierships than the 2003 team....

I find your view on mathematics fascinating
 
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