Society/Culture The terror of 'socialism' being fed as a moral ideology.

[Craze]

What a bad post.

Are you so sheltered that your life revolves around the stereotypes you hear on Sky?

I have a different world view and so I'm right and you're 'bad'.

Classic Left thinking.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I have a different world view and so I'm right and you're 'bad'.

Classic Left thinking.

No, it's that you're (somewhat hilariously after your previous post) the perfect stereotype of a petrified reactionary who watches Peta Credlin nightly.

 

[Contra Mundum]

It was always going to take something big to make humanity lose faith in religion and money is the route of all evil. It all makes complete sense to me! Your generalizing is showing btw!

I’m a Catholic mate - I know these things - JPII came from Poland hated the s**t out of the Polish Commos - he reigned for 30 years and appointed Cardinals that also hate commos.

That is why they all hate pope Frank



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[Craze]

No, it's that you're (somewhat hilariously after your previous post) the perfect stereotype of a petrified reactionary who watches Peta Credlin nightly.

Nice avatar Che Guevara. If you hate capitalism so much why don't you **** off and live in North Korea.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I have a different world view and so I'm right and you're 'bad'.

Classic Left thinking.

No, he said your worldview is dependent on stereotypes. Which you proved with your response.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Nice avatar Che Guevara. If you hate capitalism so much why don't you **** off and live in North Korea.

I don't think that's Che Guevara.

 

[Craze]

I don't think that's Che Guevara.

Yeh I know but it looks to me like some Central American despot.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yeh I know but it looks to me like some Central American despot.

You’re on fire.

 

[Chief]

...education is a state responsibility, not federal.

If only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_School_Chaplaincy_Programme

 

[Taylor]

If only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_School_Chaplaincy_Programme

That's some religious overflow we can all do without.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Who is actually pushing for that? Do you have a link?


How is Medicare not socialist? Putting greater social needs as a priority for society?

Can you please share your idea of socialism?

would you consider Russia to be socialist?

 

[Gethelred]

Suspect a lot of people who advocate for ‘socialism’ casually don’t really mean socialism. Most advocates for capitalism agree with a social safety net where it’s feasible etc. The argument then is more about the level of taxation and government spending and regulation.

Where people actually advocate socialism, and there’s no shortage of people genuinely calling for ‘ending the profit motive’ and municipilisation en masse, most reasonable people run for the hills and it’s in the interests of those just advocating for better healthcare etc to draw a line and differentiate themselves from the extreme.

I rather think you're using the term socialism to refer to things that happen under communism, rather than what most would consider to be socialist policies. But then, it isn't as though people on the left don't conflate right wing policies with extreme right conditions, either.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Where did you read One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich?

Its a fascinating book if only for the banality of socialism and its impact on people.
The millions impacted by the horror of socialism russia 39-56 would hardly be known by modern left warriors

 

[Gavin Excell]

I rather think you're using the term socialism to refer to things that happen under communism, rather than what most would consider to be socialist policies. But then, it isn't as though people on the left don't conflate right wing policies with extreme right conditions, either.

The real history of socialism v the text book.wannabe hopes are miles apart

 

[Gethelred]

Its a fascinating book if only for the banality of socialism and its impact on people.
The millions impacted by the horror of socialism russia 39-56 would hardly be known by modern left warriors

The real history of socialism v the text book.wannabe hopes are miles apart

Has anyone ever told you that you're fun? Because you are.

 

[A Cut Above]

What I want is a society that integrates the best of socialism and the best of capitalism then spits out the pips. Which thankfully is fairly close to the society we have, though injustices & corruption will always exist.

I do think 100% unbridled Communism has proved more destructive to societies than 100% unbridled Neo-Capitalism, but in my humble estimation both are somewhat sound in theory but unworkable in practice. Give me a less ideologically-zealous system any day.

 

[evo]

Its a fascinating book if only for the banality of socialism and its impact on people.
The millions impacted by the horror of socialism russia 39-56 would hardly be known by modern left warriors

Marvelous tome. One of the best.

 

[nut]

How many people around even want a vege patch? Surely changing tastes and more varied, cheaper fresh food in the supermarket is more likely to be driving the lack of demand for space to grow vege a than a sinister plan to keep the population under control?

 

[DrEvil_]

Social media has turned into a communist state, when you stop and think about it.

It started out as a backlash against the established msm.

Everyone had a voice, we were all equal, and it was online utopia of open communication and idea exchange.

Now 5 men control the entire internet, and if you disagree with any of them or use the wrong pronoun, they send Kathy Griffin around to kill you and all your high school mates.

Welcome to hell.

Ironically that's the result of capitalism isn't it?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Cheers mate.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I rather think you're using the term socialism to refer to things that happen under communism, rather than what most would consider to be socialist policies. But then, it isn't as though people on the left don't conflate right wing policies with extreme right conditions, either.

No, the things I’ve referred to are absolutely socialist objectives. Parties that call themselves socialist no longer push so hard for them, which is my point. They should stop calling themselves socialist so as not to be conflated with the above.

 

[Gethelred]

No, the things I’ve referred to are absolutely socialist objectives. Parties that call themselves socialist no longer push so hard for them, which is my point. They should stop calling themselves socialist so as not to be conflated with the above.

Regimes that did what you refer to labeled themselves socialist, but history has judged them communist in hindsight, usually due to their collective allocation of resources coupled with standardization of income outside of the ruling classes. It also does not help that socialism is more an umbrella term than a government type, where communism is a style of governing, with attributes that can be identified. There are plenty of modern governments that could be considered socialist in terms of their policy output, without also being communist in structure.

Flying in fear of turning this into yet another shitfight, this is rather where a significant amount of those on the right get it wrong, going after socialism due to conflating it with communism; you can have socialist policies within a capitalist context, often to the betterment of the society in question, but you cannot have capitalism with a communist government structure; you can have capitalist aspects, but not capitalism. By conflating the two, one side seeks to demonise their opposition and 'win', regardless of argument. Whether they do it deliberately or actually make the mistake of thinking the two are the same is conjecture, but doing so is incorrect.

 

[Man0gwaR74]

Regimes that did what you refer to labeled themselves socialist, but history has judged them communist in hindsight, usually due to their collective allocation of resources coupled with standardization of income outside of the ruling classes. It also does not help that socialism is more an umbrella term than a government type, where communism is a style of governing, with attributes that can be identified. There are plenty of modern governments that could be considered socialist in terms of their policy output, without also being communist in structure.
Flying in fear of turning this into yet another shitfight, this is rather where a significant amount of those on the right get it wrong, going after socialism due to conflating it with communism; you can have socialist policies within a capitalist context, often to the betterment of the society in question, but you cannot have capitalism with a communist government structure; you can have capitalist aspects, but not capitalism. By conflating the two, one side seeks to demonise their opposition and 'win', regardless of argument. Whether they do it deliberately or actually make the mistake of thinking the two are the same is conjecture, but doing so is incorrect.

OIC it like how Leftists label conservatives as Nazis for standing up for Nationalism.<_<

 

[Gethelred]

OIC it like how Leftists label conservatives as Nazis for standing up for Nationalism.<_<

More or less.

 

[smokingjacket]

Its a fascinating book if only for the banality of socialism and its impact on people.
The millions impacted by the horror of socialism russia 39-56 would hardly be known by modern left warriors

Stalinism was so bad that the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union denounced his entire legacy after this death and promised the people of the Soviet Union a different vision of the future.

However, I could make the same argument about insane cruelty of early capitalism as it transitioned from feudalism.