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Let's assume both trades mentioned in that article are on the table for us to choose from. Whichever we pick says an enormous amount about the mindset of the club and where we see ourselves internally.

Trade 1: Liam Jones, Adam Cooney & pick 45 in exchange for pick 28

Trade 2: Kristian Jaksch, pick 19 & pick 21 in exchange for pick 7 and pick 28

Accept the first offer and you are selling to members and supporters the mindset that you believe you are currently in, or about to enter into, a premiership window.

Go with the second option and despite giving up an early selection, you are projecting that the club needs to embrace the draft and continue to go hard at bringing young talent into the club.

The first option is somewhat tempting but surely you'd have to go with the second trade. Yes we give up our first two selections but in return we bring in a highly rated young key position player with 2 years worth of AFL development in his system, as well as the opportunity to draft two very good young footballers. You'd also assume that trading our 3rd pick for Jones would still well and truly be on the cards.

As much as I'd love to keep our early pick, I think a trade period which saw us walk away with two relatively young key position players, two relatively good draft picks and whatever other minor pieces we manage to shuffle (Garlett & Robinson trades, as well as possibly trading in Tutt with a very late token selection) would be a terrific result for the club.

Having said that, MM is on record as saying he thinks we're approaching a premiership window. Saying that to the public is one thing, truly believing it internally is another. Let's see how serious he was when he said it...
 

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Nah i think 17 clubs would be laughing out loud at us :(
Jones just kicked 5 goals in a VFL grand final and Cooney is a good midfielder, I know nothing of Tutt

Cooney could be a real surprise packet, things change quickly in footy and he could become a valuable member in a midfield next year if we find ourselves in the hunt for the 8
 

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FFS Carlton……...:rolleyes:

Jaksch for our 2nd rounder.
Jones for our 3rd rounder.
No 3-way deals.
No relinquishing Pick 7.
No Cooney!

If they don't want to deal then take all our picks into the draft.
Couldn't have said it better myself, and I tried in another thread :)
 

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"The extent of Carlton's interest in Cooney since the package deal was proposed was not clear on Tuesday night."

Quality journalism right there everyone.
They KNOW we're considering the proposed deal, hence the headline.. But unclear of our interest in said deal..




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Jones just kicked 5 goals in a VFL grand final and Cooney is a good midfielder, I know nothing of Tutt

Cooney could be a real surprise packet, things change quickly in footy and he could become a valuable member in a midfield next year if we find ourselves in the hunt for the 8
No Cooney was a good midfielder a long time ago, he doesn't want out of the Dogs, they want his trouble making ass out of there....
 

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Let's assume both trades mentioned in that article are on the table for us to choose from. Whichever we pick says an enormous amount about the mindset of the club and where we see ourselves internally.

Trade 1: Liam Jones, Adam Cooney & pick 45 in exchange for pick 28

Trade 2: Kristian Jaksch, pick 19 & pick 21 in exchange for pick 7 and pick 28

Accept the first offer and you are selling to members and supporters the mindset that you believe you are currently in, or about to enter into, a premiership window.

Go with the second option and despite giving up an early selection, you are projecting that the club needs to embrace the draft and continue to go hard at bringing young talent into the club.

The first option is somewhat tempting but surely you'd have to go with the second trade. Yes we give up our first two selections but in return we bring in a highly rated young key position player with 2 years worth of AFL development in his system, as well as the opportunity to draft two very good young footballers. You'd also assume that trading our 3rd pick for Jones would still well and truly be on the cards.

As much as I'd love to keep our early pick, I think a trade period which saw us walk away with two relatively young key position players, two relatively good draft picks and whatever other minor pieces we manage to shuffle (Garlett & Robinson trades, as well as possibly trading in Tutt with a very late token selection) would be a terrific result for the club.

Having said that, MM is on record as saying he thinks we're approaching a premiership window. Saying that to the public is one thing, truly believing it internally is another. Let's see how serious he was when he said it...
Second trade is unrealistic.

Giving up 7 for Jaksch is paying too much no matter what second round rubbish is offered.
 

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Let's assume both trades mentioned in that article are on the table for us to choose from. Whichever we pick says an enormous amount about the mindset of the club and where we see ourselves internally.

Trade 1: Liam Jones, Adam Cooney & pick 45 in exchange for pick 28

Trade 2: Kristian Jaksch, pick 19 & pick 21 in exchange for pick 7 and pick 28

Accept the first offer and you are selling to members and supporters the mindset that you believe you are currently in, or about to enter into, a premiership window.

Go with the second option and despite giving up an early selection, you are projecting that the club needs to embrace the draft and continue to go hard at bringing young talent into the club.

The first option is somewhat tempting but surely you'd have to go with the second trade. Yes we give up our first two selections but in return we bring in a highly rated young key position player with 2 years worth of AFL development in his system, as well as the opportunity to draft two very good young footballers. You'd also assume that trading our 3rd pick for Jones would still well and truly be on the cards.

As much as I'd love to keep our early pick, I think a trade period which saw us walk away with two relatively young key position players, two relatively good draft picks and whatever other minor pieces we manage to shuffle (Garlett & Robinson trades, as well as possibly trading in Tutt with a very late token selection) would be a terrific result for the club.

Having said that, MM is on record as saying he thinks we're approaching a premiership window. Saying that to the public is one thing, truly believing it internally is another. Let's see how serious he was when he said it...



Why not


Trade 1: Kristian Jaksch, pick 19 & pick 21 in exchange for pick 7 and pick 28

Which gives us picks: 19,21,46,65,83,101,11

Trade 2: Tutt,Jones,Cooney and pick 27 for pick 21 or 19


Sounds good?
 

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We should not give up pick 7 under any circumstances.
I want to get Jaksch to the club but he is not worth giving away pick 7 for if the best swap we can get is pick 20 odd.
The trouble with the club is that we have put ourselves into the position of grovelling for a third party to come in and save the Jaksch deal.
No-one will help us because they want the chance to get him as well.
Comments like those made by Rogers last week that Jaksch was worth closer to pick 12-14 didn't help either.
The club needs to learn to stop making LOUD statements - just get the job done quickly and quietly like Hawthorn do.
 
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