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BSA finally strips Geremi of the captaincy and hands it to... Smith.

There were only ever two suitable candidates for it. Butt, after 1.5 seasons of top-drawer performances and given his immense experience, or the Terryesque local lad in Taylor who has risen to become our best centrehalf - with the potential of leading the side for a decade.

Alan f#cking Smith? Based on what? So instead of Geremi Squibbit (Jeremy Cricket... ah, it's a work in progress) getting a guaranteed game we now have a neverwas who hasn't performed to a sufficient standard at any level for a couple of years... and what's worse is, it's a guaranteed place in the lineup when he doesn't even have a proper position.

Makes so much sense. So much sense.

Other than that, last night was absolute shit. Zero creativity all night, a veritable no-man's land between the midfield and the front pairing all night, and once again we see Martins sacrificed for an overpaid, overrated douche whose only goal is to reach a minimum level of fitness in order to play for England.

Clueless, aimless, listless, pointless.

But, let's keep Sam the full three years cause we haven't won anything since the Queen still waxed her snatch (duh, that's precisely our point) and we need stability wah wah wah.
 

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But, let's keep Sam the full three years cause we haven't won anything since the Queen still waxed her snatch (duh, that's precisely our point) and we need stability wah wah wah.
Actually you lost the cup final that year, as she went bare in preparation for Teddy coming around to celebrate getting MOTM.
 

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Butt put in one of the best performances in a black and white shirt against City, he created our only chances and distributed the ball well, the only time we looked like scoring was when he fired that rocket that Hart saved and when he was feeding Martins (who surely would have scored had he stayed on).

BSA to me is further proving he has lost touch with the game, he has had pretty much a full squad to choose from for the most part of the season and really has made no inroads to making our club successfull. His signings have been absoloute garbage barring Viduka,Beye and at times Faye (Cacapa looks like a 5 year old at Toys R us, he doesnt know which way to turn), Smith a spud, Geremi's main role in the team is to take the throw ins and Enrique cant even say "Hello" is English for gods sake.

I am sorry but we are woefull, we have games against Man Utd and Arsenal coming up and at the end of this month we could very well find our selves fighting relegation with the likes of Fulham,Boro,Sunderland,Birmngham etc etc.

Great time to be a toon supporter :thumbsu:
 

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I am sorry but we are woefull, we have games against Man Utd and Arsenal coming up and at the end of this month we could very well find our selves fighting relegation with the likes of Fulham,Boro,Sunderland,Birmngham etc etc.
This is the key problem we're still due to face. I keep hearing the commentators and special comments men on our games going, "they're really not that bad off... they're safe in midtable, it could be worse, etc", well duh, yes it can.

To date we have dropped points in the following games:
  • Newcastle 0-0 Aston Villa - 2 points (as subsequently impressive as Villa have been, they should always be considered a home win provided they don't rock up with their 1982 squad)
  • Boro 2-2 Newcastle - 2 points (Relegation fodder. Lead twice. Inexcusable.)
  • Derby 1-0 Newcastle - 3 points (Worst side since Sunderland's comical efforts of years gone by)
  • Reading 2-1 Newcastle - 3 points (Along with Wigan, this lot are the core basis of my 'getting regularly turned over by sides on a shoestring' rant. To not get so much as a point from this lot when they ship goals for fun is just obscene)
  • Newcastle 1-4 Pompey - 3 points (Along with the Svennis revolution at City, Harry's side is reminiscent of Sir Bobby's first good squad here. But to lose to them by three at home? Appalling.)
  • Sunderland 1-1 Newcastle - 2 points (Firstly, it's Sunderland. Secondly, Pat McShane is their star defender. And we were lucky to snatch the draw.)
  • Newcastle 0-3 Liverpool - 3 points (A home fixture where we should expect a point at least. Instead we rolled over like bitches.)
  • Blackburn 3-1 Newcastle - 3 points (Regardless of how poor we've been in recent years we always seemed to take the points, not anymore)
  • Newcastle 2-2 Derby - 2 points (That's 4 points Derby have taken off us this season - should've been all 6 too)
  • Wigan 1-0 Newcastle - 3 points (See Reading. Hayzeus Kryst.)
  • Newcastle 0-2 Man City - 3 points (See Pompey. But if you can't take points off sides like this at home just where can you pick them up?)
Now, being conservative, that's a good 20-29 points we'd expect to pick up over the course of the entire season. Nup, they're gone now.

And we still have trips to Old Trafford, Villa Park, Eastlands, White Hart Lane, Emirates, Anfield, Fratton Park and Goodison to come.

Forget midtable. We'll be clinging to our Premiership status come May, no doubt about it.
 

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Sorry, but thats funny.

Fulham, Boro, Sunderland, Wigan, Derby & Birmingham are all worse than us, and easily.

Yes, we lost to two of them, and drew with two of them, but they are far, far worse than we are.

And are you guys seriously suggesting we should sack Sam Allardyce? Because that's really quite ridiculous.

80% of people (including Geordies) agree with me on this FACT.

21 games in charge really isn't enough time for to even be considering sacking a manager.

I was watching premiership years, and it was a recap of last season.

We had 37 points after 31 games.

11 more points after 10 more games.

Now as poor as we are, we're going to get at least 11 more points from our next 10 games which are:

Man Utd (a)
Bolton (h)
Arsenal (a)
Boro (h)
Aston Villa (a)
Man Utd (h)
Blackburn (h)
Liverpool (a)
Birmingham (a)
Fulham (h)

We're not going to get relegated. This is also fact.
 

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Now as poor as we are, we're going to get at least 11 more points from our next 10 games which are:

Man Utd (a)
Bolton (h)
Arsenal (a)
Boro (h)
Aston Villa (a)
Man Utd (h)
Blackburn (h)
Liverpool (a)
Birmingham (a)
Fulham (h)

We're not going to get relegated. This is also fact.
Thank goodness you didn't say you'd get 27 points from your next 10 games (and where is Ben The Gooner?). ;)

I say give him until the end of the season and then you'll realise how genuinely awful he is.
 

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21 games in charge really isn't enough time for to even be considering sacking a manager.
I would agree in some ways, although for many Geordies he was clearly not the man that should have taken over to start with so probably start in the negative for them.

Now as poor as we are, we're going to get at least 11 more points from our next 10 games which are:

Man Utd (a)
Bolton (h)
Arsenal (a)
Boro (h)
Aston Villa (a)
Man Utd (h)
Blackburn (h)
Liverpool (a)
Birmingham (a)
Fulham (h)
You'll probably pinch a result where it's not expected, but I wouldn't say 11 from the next 10 is a foregone conclusion. Bolton (h), Boro (h), Birmingham (a) and Fulham (h) are the only games I'd see you as favourite for the win out of that lot.

We're not going to get relegated. This is also fact.
Maybe not fact, but it would be a big surprise.
 

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Sorry, but thats funny.

Fulham, Boro, Sunderland, Wigan, Derby & Birmingham are all worse than us, and easily.

Yes, we lost to two of them, and drew with two of them, but they are far, far worse than we are.
I agree they're worse than us on paper. But the cold fact of the matter is, we have already dropped a shitload of points to these very clubs and a stack which we would consider to be on an even par with at least.

At the end of the day there's 38 games in a season and you have to perform in a majority of them.

As I've spelled out, we've already dropped 20-29 points we'd have realistically expected to take at the start of the season - including 5 to the worst club of them all.

Where do we get those 5 points back? Old Trafford? Anfield? White Hart Lane? Goodison? Emirates? Eastlands?

We've potentially set ourselves up for a massive massive fall. And as unlikely as relegation is, if you crunch the numbers given our form and fixture list it cannot be ruled out completely.
 

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Well, I didn't see the match as I was somewhere over Europe at the time it was on, but from what I've read it was an awful performance. (from nufc.com).

However I read the match report on sportinglife and it makes better reading, saying that Stoke were on the back foot for long periods, but we never looked like scoring.

Which one was it?
 

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There's no doubt we're in a bit of trouble.

And with Man Utd at the Toilet next week, it's not going to change in the immediate future.

But, sacking the manager isn't going to solve anything.

I'm not a huge fan of Sam, and wasn't when he was appointed, but he needs AT LEAST a season, and most people would say two.

There would be massive consequences if we sacked him, but Mort and Ashley have their heads screwed on and know what they are doing.
 

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But, sacking the manager isn't going to solve anything.

I'm not a huge fan of Sam, and wasn't when he was appointed, but he needs AT LEAST a season, and most people would say two.

There would be massive consequences if we sacked him, but Mort and Ashley have their heads screwed on and know what they are doing.
I'd prefer preemptive strike than slow grind into permanent mediocrity or worse.

I'd be all for a new wave of patience and stability under the auspices of Mort and Ashley if they hadn't so clearly and obviously backed the wrong horse while it was still in the mounting yard.

3 years of Sven? 3 years of Ramos? Even 3 years of Hughes or Jewell? I'd be prepared for quite a bit of short-term pain to see how that panned out.

3 years of Allardyce? As painful as the 1 year of Souness.
 

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Well, I didn't see the match as I was somewhere over Europe at the time it was on, but from what I've read it was an awful performance. (from nufc.com).

However I read the match report on sportinglife and it makes better reading, saying that Stoke were on the back foot for long periods, but we never looked like scoring.

Which one was it?
We had control for long periods in the first half but didnt create any real clear cut chances with only N'Zogbia and a good save by their keeper keeping out Owens first FA Cup goal in a long time.

Second half we were on the back foot a bit more with Stoke creating a few good chances but luckily some good work by Faye, Taylor and Given kept the score at 0-0. We however did have some chances in the second including one gigantic scramble in which all we needed was a touch on the ball to send it over the line, it didnt happen.

So we werent battered by any means however we were on the back foot in the second half for a period but by no means battered.

Doesnt really matter anyways as we have Arsenal in the 4th round, i remain a tad optimistic though... for some reason.
 

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Nicky Butt is available against Man Utd next Saturday, but misses the FA Cup replay with Stoke, and the home match against Bolton due to receiving his 10th yellow card of the season on the weekend.
 

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Stoke should have scored at least 2 times, they produced the only clear cut shots on target. Nicky Butt had probably 3 or 4 shots at the sticks and Nzogbia was the other who looked dangerous, Michael Owen was hopeless as was Smith again.

We where played off the park in the 2nd half and we barely created a chance for the whole game that was worth noting, Stoke on the other hand killed us on the counter and reguarly had our full backs beaten, if it wasnt for Taylor-Given-Faye they would have won 3-0.

Wouldnt be surprised if Yoonited put 4 or 5 past us.

On better news we signed Ben Tozer who is a star in the making, only 17 but is a top shelf defender.
 

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Stoke should have scored at least 2 times, they produced the only clear cut shots on target. Nicky Butt had probably 3 or 4 shots at the sticks and Nzogbia was the other who looked dangerous, Michael Owen was hopeless as was Smith again.

On better news we signed Ben Tozer who is a star in the making, only 17 but is a top shelf defender.
Owen and Viduka were hopeless along with Smith. Viduka did one good thing for the game but other then that these trio were hardly noticed all night. I put this down to the lack of service that Owen and Viduka received and even at one point you could see Owen complain to Rozie that he wanted the ball played along the ground to him.

Smith, im not sure. He spent more time sliding around then actually creating anything of not for the strikers up front. I still dont think centre midfield is the position that he should play. I reckon he is better up front alongside Viduka but central midfield is not his forte. In this position we need someone that is going to create the chances and be that playmaker that we desire so until we get that im not sure how well we will do.

Tozer, we shall wait and see. I hope he turns out alright but i will hold my judgement for a few years at least.
 

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Sky are reporting the Tozer signing with footage showing him falling over a Carlisle player and conceding a penalty. Just thought it was a bit funny given Newcastles defensive reputation.

Any idea of a fee?
 

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Sky are reporting the Tozer signing with footage showing him falling over a Carlisle player and conceding a penalty. Just thought it was a bit funny given Newcastles defensive reputation.

Any idea of a fee?
£1m + future clauses, apparently.
 

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If this is true

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1780_3030259,00.html

SA needs to pack his fuking bags, all we are doing is signing another Butt/Barton/Smith/Geremi type. Nolan has NOOOOO fuking creativity as a midfielder, he has no blistering pace and he has barely had a shot on goal in the PL this season for Bolton let alone lay any off. The fee is 5m, if Ashley and Mort and co let this happen then we can truely assume the place is up the shitter, surely we can spend 5m on someone who we need......

I am getting sick of SA wanting to bring Trotter trash to Tyneside, we dont need them, we dont any crap from the Whites, its like fuking Richard Branson flying with Tiger airlines for fuks sake.

Over and out lads :D
 

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If this is true

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1780_3030259,00.html

SA needs to pack his fuking bags, all we are doing is signing another Butt/Barton/Smith/Geremi type. Nolan has NOOOOO fuking creativity as a midfielder, he has no blistering pace and he has barely had a shot on goal in the PL this season for Bolton let alone lay any off. The fee is 5m, if Ashley and Mort and co let this happen then we can truely assume the place is up the shitter, surely we can spend 5m on someone who we need......

I am getting sick of SA wanting to bring Trotter trash to Tyneside, we dont need them, we dont any crap from the Whites, its like fuking Richard Branson flying with Tiger airlines for fuks sake.

Over and out lads :D
Did he say anywhere amongst that article that he actually wants to sign Kevin Nolan? I dont see any quotes and besides the fact it is from teamtalk who talk 86% trash and will occasionally hit a transfer correct.
 

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wellsy has a point.

Oh how glad I am to have someone that's on my side back posting regularly :D

But what is more worrying is -

sam gallowgate (Newcastle United fan)
"The first rumour I have got excited about. Purely because I can see it happening and he is captain material and has kept his nose relatively clean throughout his whole career. In my opinion we should have gone for him in the summer instead of Barton anyway. If he's available at £5m we should snap him up right away. I think he will still get sold for something approaching £8m if he does get sold, but if the money is there, he is a player that loves playing under Big Sam and is captain material as well as just entering the peak of his career, age-wise. "

What a fan !!!
 
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